First GT-R Warranty Denial due to VDC?

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: RichUK
What is the 0-60 time with VDC on?

4.0 versus 3.3 without VDC.

 

[RichUK]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: RichUK
What is the 0-60 time with VDC on?

4.0 versus 3.3 without VDC.

Still pretty quick then.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: RichUK

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: RichUK
What is the 0-60 time with VDC on?

4.0 versus 3.3 without VDC.

Still pretty quick then.

Yep but .7 at that speed must feel quite a bit quicker. The whole thing seems silly.

 

[Arkaign]

Interesting. If this proves to be a common issue, that's a BIG poo-on-face for Nissan.

 

[AMCRambler]

Yeah this is BS. They put this switch in there to disable the frigging thing, and then they tell you if you flip the switch you void your warranty. Sounds like in order to set their super impressive Ring times and then sell the car based on this, they had to put the feature in the car. They must have been blowing up GTR's left and right on the Ring though because the car can't perform at that level consistently very long before its gear box turns to snot.
That being said, we don't know how much of a retard this guy was being with the car. Any car no matter how well its built has a limit to the abuse it can sustain. Revving to redline and launching any manual car is going to take a toll on your clutch and your tranny. Even more so if you've got an all wheel drive car. I'd be interested to see what the black box data they downloaded from the car said.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: AMCRambler
Yeah this is BS. They put this switch in there to disable the frigging thing, and then they tell you if you flip the switch you void your warranty. Sounds like in order to set their super impressive Ring times and then sell the car based on this, they had to put the feature in the car. They must have been blowing up GTR's left and right on the Ring though because the car can't perform at that level consistently very long before its gear box turns to snot.
That being said, we don't know how much of a retard this guy was being with the car. Any car no matter how well its built has a limit to the abuse it can sustain. Revving to redline and launching any manual car is going to take a toll on your clutch and your tranny. Even more so if you've got an all wheel drive car. I'd be interested to see what the black box data they downloaded from the car said.

^^ LC shouldn't affect a 'Ring time, well more than .7 of a second. But it would DEFINITELY affect 0-60 and 1/4 times significantly.

Total BS if the whole story is true (sounds like it is). Hopefully Nissan will fold and fix this problem. Should be a recall IMHO, to strengthen the transmission and to recalibrate the LC so it's not so devastating (so long as the 0-60 remains 3.5 or less with LC+good tires/surface).

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: AMCRambler
Yeah this is BS. They put this switch in there to disable the frigging thing, and then they tell you if you flip the switch you void your warranty. Sounds like in order to set their super impressive Ring times and then sell the car based on this, they had to put the feature in the car. They must have been blowing up GTR's left and right on the Ring though because the car can't perform at that level consistently very long before its gear box turns to snot.
That being said, we don't know how much of a retard this guy was being with the car. Any car no matter how well its built has a limit to the abuse it can sustain. Revving to redline and launching any manual car is going to take a toll on your clutch and your tranny. Even more so if you've got an all wheel drive car. I'd be interested to see what the black box data they downloaded from the car said.

^^ LC shouldn't affect a 'Ring time, well more than .7 of a second. But it would DEFINITELY affect 0-60 and 1/4 times significantly.

Total BS if the whole story is true (sounds like it is). Hopefully Nissan will fold and fix this problem. Should be a recall IMHO, to strengthen the transmission and to recalibrate the LC so it's not so devastating (so long as the 0-60 remains 3.5 or less with LC+good tires/surface).

VDC is more than launch control. It's the stability program that automatically handles braking and throttle through turns should it detect you are near the edge. But to really get a good time at a road course you always need to be on that edge.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: AMCRambler
Yeah this is BS. They put this switch in there to disable the frigging thing, and then they tell you if you flip the switch you void your warranty. Sounds like in order to set their super impressive Ring times and then sell the car based on this, they had to put the feature in the car. They must have been blowing up GTR's left and right on the Ring though because the car can't perform at that level consistently very long before its gear box turns to snot.
That being said, we don't know how much of a retard this guy was being with the car. Any car no matter how well its built has a limit to the abuse it can sustain. Revving to redline and launching any manual car is going to take a toll on your clutch and your tranny. Even more so if you've got an all wheel drive car. I'd be interested to see what the black box data they downloaded from the car said.

^^ LC shouldn't affect a 'Ring time, well more than .7 of a second. But it would DEFINITELY affect 0-60 and 1/4 times significantly.

Total BS if the whole story is true (sounds like it is). Hopefully Nissan will fold and fix this problem. Should be a recall IMHO, to strengthen the transmission and to recalibrate the LC so it's not so devastating (so long as the 0-60 remains 3.5 or less with LC+good tires/surface).

VDC is more than launch control. It's the stability program that automatically handles braking and throttle through turns should it detect you are near the edge. But to really get a good time at a road course you always need to be on that edge.

Reading the thread, it appears that you have to disable VDC to enable LC. Are you saying that better track times are with VDC disabled? I guess that would make sense.

 

[RichUK]

Lol, and Nissan thought this would make Porsche quake in their boots.

Porsche GT3(RS) > GTR.

And to all those people who say you?re just paying for the badge ? Meh!
You see, the badge really does mean something.

My next car is definitely going to be a Porsche.

 

[zoiks]

Pretty misleading. I think this is going to hurt Nissan. Who the fuck would buy a used GT-R?

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: zoiks
Pretty misleading. I think this is going to hurt Nissan. Who the fuck would buy a used GT-R?

If you can't use it as advertised, who would buy a new one? Nissan needs to address this immediately to save serious embarrassment.

 

[RichUK]

I think it?s pathetic and I?ve lost all respect for the GTR. The main component that gives it the edge over its immediate competition is the gearbox, and it seems the gearbox just isn?t robust enough for this sort of application.

Meh.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: AMCRambler
Yeah this is BS. They put this switch in there to disable the frigging thing, and then they tell you if you flip the switch you void your warranty. Sounds like in order to set their super impressive Ring times and then sell the car based on this, they had to put the feature in the car. They must have been blowing up GTR's left and right on the Ring though because the car can't perform at that level consistently very long before its gear box turns to snot.
That being said, we don't know how much of a retard this guy was being with the car. Any car no matter how well its built has a limit to the abuse it can sustain. Revving to redline and launching any manual car is going to take a toll on your clutch and your tranny. Even more so if you've got an all wheel drive car. I'd be interested to see what the black box data they downloaded from the car said.

^^ LC shouldn't affect a 'Ring time, well more than .7 of a second. But it would DEFINITELY affect 0-60 and 1/4 times significantly.

Total BS if the whole story is true (sounds like it is). Hopefully Nissan will fold and fix this problem. Should be a recall IMHO, to strengthen the transmission and to recalibrate the LC so it's not so devastating (so long as the 0-60 remains 3.5 or less with LC+good tires/surface).

no, because ring laps do not start from a standstill. watch the video; they are rolling (or running) starts.

 

[ajskydiver]

. Driving with the VDC off

So, does launching the car a few/several/many/daily/x times = "driving"?

I don't look at hard launches and then shutting down as driving...but I'm sure Nissan does.

In the OP's original thread with the link, the owner said the dealer told him he could use LC as much as he wanted...and it's his fault he took as gospel anything the dealer would say to him. I own a Honda S2000 and don't even trust them to use the right differential fluid [Honda dealers mistakenly used the wrong fluid for years, ruining many diffs.], let alone explain anything in the manual to me.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: RichUK
Lol, and Nissan thought this would make Porsche quake in their boots.

Porsche GT3(RS) > GTR.

And to all those people who say you?re just paying for the badge ? Meh!
You see, the badge really does mean something.

My next car is definitely going to be a Porsche.

GTR would still be much better as a non-track car.

But when these people are shelling 25-30K over MSRP they shouldn't be getting the shaft from Nissan.

That's the angle I would take if I were this guy, if that's what he paid, well then I would say Nissan could throw in a tranny.

 

[zoiks]

A friend of my friend just bought a black GT-R. I know he won't be happy to hear this.
It's a pretty big car though. I thought it would be a tad smaller. He had it shipped over from the east coast since there are none available here in the west coast. He also had to pay 4k more for delivery.

 

[DomS]

what is this VDC and what is this launching you speak of??

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: zoiks
A friend of my friend just bought a black GT-R. I know he won't be happy to hear this.
It's a pretty big car though. I thought it would be a tad smaller. He had it shipped over from the east coast since there are none available here in the west coast. He also had to pay 4k more for delivery.

I saw one on a delivery truck for the first time the other day, it is very big.

So big in fact, that I think I would have a nervous breakdown trying to park it anywhere for fear of being dinged.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: DomS
what is this VDC and what is this launching you speak of??

From what I can tell, VDC is some kind of sophisticated computer-managed system for traction control/etc.

If you switch VDC to the 'OFF' position, Nissan voids your warranty according to the content of the linked thread.

LC / Launch Control is a way that the GT-R can hit the 3.3-3.5 0-60 times that are in the reviews and ads and such.

LC is ONLY accessible by DISABLING VDC, again, this is just going by what I've read. I haven't driven a GT-R, so IDK.

 

[theeedude]

I love how people think they are buying factory racing team support because they spent 80K on a GT-R. Get real.
You are getting a supercar for 80K, you are told given a lot of rope to hang yourself with, but it is clearly explained in warranty that they do not cover damage resulting from turning VDC off. You can still do it at your own risk, because Nissan is not your mommy, they let you decide if you want to pay to play. If you don't like it, don't buy the car.

 

[SSSnail]

There will be a guy that comes in here shortly and say something like "I know how it's supposed to work, because if you hold this rig here, jam that thingymagic there and nudge this dohicky yonder that's how it'll work. But, if you want it to work just like it's advertised? You're dumb!"

Wait for it...

 

[SSSnail]

Porsche, accept no substitute.

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: RichUK
Lol, and Nissan thought this would make Porsche quake in their boots.

Porsche GT3(RS) > GTR.

And to all those people who say you?re just paying for the badge ? Meh!
You see, the badge really does mean something.

My next car is definitely going to be a Porsche.

GTR would still be much better as a non-track car.

But when these people are shelling 25-30K over MSRP they shouldn't be getting the shaft from Nissan.

That's the angle I would take if I were this guy, if that's what he paid, well then I would say Nissan could throw in a tranny.

That markup money is going to dealer profit, not to Nissan, so It's not like Nissan can put that money aside to throw in free trannies down the line, it would have to shaft its shareholders to pay for it. Dealer markup does not buy you a warranty, it buys you nothing. If someone is spending $30K for nothing just to get a GT-R, they can afford to spend $20K to replace a tranny they damaged with their showboating. You gotta pay to play. Sure, Nissan can make everyone pay by raising the prices, or it can not let anyone play by forcing VDC on. Or it can be upfront about what the warranty does or does not cover and let the owner be an adult and decide if he wants to not use VDC at his own risk.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: senseamp
I love how people think they are buying factory racing team support because they spent 80K on a GT-R. Get real.
You are getting a supercar for 80K, you are told given a lot of rope to hang yourself with, but it is clearly explained in warranty that they do not cover damage resulting from turning VDC off. You can still do it at your own risk, because Nissan is not your mommy, they let you decide if you want to pay to play. If you don't like it, don't buy the car.

qft.

anyone should know that doing enough hard launches WILL break something. it's not a matter of if but when.

driver stupidity ++, IMO

 

[DomS]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: DomS
what is this VDC and what is this launching you speak of??

From what I can tell, VDC is some kind of sophisticated computer-managed system for traction control/etc.

If you switch VDC to the 'OFF' position, Nissan voids your warranty according to the content of the linked thread.

LC / Launch Control is a way that the GT-R can hit the 3.3-3.5 0-60 times that are in the reviews and ads and such.

LC is ONLY accessible by DISABLING VDC, again, this is just going by what I've read. I haven't driven a GT-R, so IDK.

hmm it's kind of silly that they'd advertise something that the only way to achieve it is by voiding your warranty.