Saint Nick
Lifer
D70 or D100.
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TerryMathews
Lifer
I'm going to try to keep this as objective as possible.
Nikon v. Canon is about as subjective as you can get - it may even be more subjective than AMD v. Intel.
I personally prefer Nikon. Others prefer Canon. Neither answer is wrong. As I understand it, Canon has a few (but a very small number) of different mounts for their cameras. So not every single lens you find will work with whatever Canon camera you buy. It's really not that big of a deal. Nikon uses one mount for everything SLR, and has for at least 30 years. Not all Nikon lenses are fully functional (metering, auto-focus, etc.) on all bodies.
Probably the #1 thing to keep in mind is that whatever camera you buy, you're going to want to stay with that brand due to the lens thing I just mentioned.
A good camera might last 3 years before a camera that's twice as good is half the price. A good lens will last several generations camera-wise, if you take care of it.
Long story short: Think it through. A lot. If you think you might go Nikon down the road, go Nikon now and save yourself money on lenses. Or vice-versa. Just pick one and go with it.
Good luck and happy hunting!
Nikon v. Canon is about as subjective as you can get - it may even be more subjective than AMD v. Intel.
I personally prefer Nikon. Others prefer Canon. Neither answer is wrong. As I understand it, Canon has a few (but a very small number) of different mounts for their cameras. So not every single lens you find will work with whatever Canon camera you buy. It's really not that big of a deal. Nikon uses one mount for everything SLR, and has for at least 30 years. Not all Nikon lenses are fully functional (metering, auto-focus, etc.) on all bodies.
Probably the #1 thing to keep in mind is that whatever camera you buy, you're going to want to stay with that brand due to the lens thing I just mentioned.
A good camera might last 3 years before a camera that's twice as good is half the price. A good lens will last several generations camera-wise, if you take care of it.
Long story short: Think it through. A lot. If you think you might go Nikon down the road, go Nikon now and save yourself money on lenses. Or vice-versa. Just pick one and go with it.
Good luck and happy hunting!
GTaudiophile
Lifer
Just remember, next time you watch a football game or any sort of event involving lots of photographers (from the Golden Globe Awards to CSPAN), look for the long, WHITE telephoto lenses. Those are all Canons!
not entirely true, nikon has some white lenses.
also .. if you go to your doctors office, the HIGH dollar optics equipment wont have any canon stickers on it, it will be nikon/nikkor
i dont think its much of a competition between canon / nikkor as far as ground glass goes. nikkor is established as the better lense manufacturer, but for camera bodies and consumer lense assemblies its not that simple.
there are 2 things youll find out with dslrs
1) any dslr is capable of taking exceptional photos
2) buying high dollar lense wont make your pictures look any better if you dont have a specific reason to use them.
in good light, a 100 dollar 70-300mm lense can take the same picture a $1500 300mm 2.8 , just dont end up like most people who shoot blurry photos and blame it on the lense and end up spending thousands of dollars trying to fix the wrong problem.
Koing
Elite Member <br> Super Moderator<br> Health and F
My friend bought that one!
http://www.pricegrabber.co.uk/search_getprod.php?masterid=533991&search=ef+16+35
It cost him £1k in England!!!!!!
He is going to wait for the 3D as the 20D prisom doesn't cut it for him. He shoots with a Lecia M range finder and a selection of pricey glass. His EOS 3 has a laser focusing system and thinks it may be in the 3D if and when it gets released.
Expensive hobbies.
Koing
blurredvision
Lifer
I'm thoroughly enjoying my new D50 with the 18-55mm kit lens. Paid $629 shipped at infinity-micro.com. Also picked up a 50mm f/1.8 prime (which I absolutely love). A friend here at work just got in a Rebel XT, which I had used before from another friend. However, after handling my D50, the Rebel XT seemed extremely small (which you don't seem to mind).
If you wany my amateurish opinion, you can't go wrong with either Canon or Nikon. Both make quality products. I've found nothing wrong with either of them in my studies before I purchased my D50. Why did I go with the D50? Because the price was right for a brand new camera. I also liked the included software a bit more (specifically the Nikon Capture 4 software). If you start to decide between the D50 and D70, from what I've read, the D50 is better in so many ways than the aging D70. It's the D70s that is the next step up.
The D50, I've read, is also better at higher ISO in regards to noise than anything you've listed in your original post. An example of what my D50 can do at ISO1600: http://www.joshpuckett.com/Daisy.jpg This hasn't been ran through a noise filter, only post-processed to fix lighting.
If you wany my amateurish opinion, you can't go wrong with either Canon or Nikon. Both make quality products. I've found nothing wrong with either of them in my studies before I purchased my D50. Why did I go with the D50? Because the price was right for a brand new camera. I also liked the included software a bit more (specifically the Nikon Capture 4 software). If you start to decide between the D50 and D70, from what I've read, the D50 is better in so many ways than the aging D70. It's the D70s that is the next step up.
The D50, I've read, is also better at higher ISO in regards to noise than anything you've listed in your original post. An example of what my D50 can do at ISO1600: http://www.joshpuckett.com/Daisy.jpg This hasn't been ran through a noise filter, only post-processed to fix lighting.
Very sharp pic blurredvision. I think I have found a very good deal on a Rebel XT if everything works out, so that is probably the way I am leaning. I've decided that I don't have a preference between the Rebel XT and the D70. I like the feel and features of the D70, but I like the compactness and 8MP of the XT. I would take either one.
The D70s is out of my price range right now, so that wasn't an option for me. I am considering a new D50 if my used Rebel XT deal doesn't pan out.
The D70s is out of my price range right now, so that wasn't an option for me. I am considering a new D50 if my used Rebel XT deal doesn't pan out.
Sorry, but that is just not true. Even in good light, a 300 2.8 will trounce a $100 70-300 in sharpeness, contrast and bokeh. For instance, I can tell that the picture of the photographer linked 3 above yours was taken with a pro quality lens and that is a significantly downsized version.
Of course, the point of using a telephoto prime is mainly for the speed it provides. It's hard to find a 70-300 zoom with a 2.8 aperture at 300mm.
blurredvision
Lifer
Thanks for the compliment on the pic. Was shot using my 50mm f/1.8. Just so you know, one thing that was recommended to me when I was looking around at a first DSLR, people definitely suggested that if I wasn't planning on printing large prints of my work, then don't even worry about the whole megapixel aspect. The absolute only reason you should buy a DSLR based on megapixels is whether you plan on printing or not. If not, decide on other factors, because the advantage of having an 8MP camera over a 6MP like the D50 is only in printing.
However, it looks like you're basing it on other factors as well, just trying to share some of the knowledge that I picked up no less than 2-3 weeks ago 🙂.
well as I'm tagging along I'm really leaning to the D50. It seems like such a great cam for the price.
At the same time I'm also hearing the "look at the lenses and pick your system"
That being said, who has the best selection of macro lenses for shooting low light scenarios?
At the same time I'm also hearing the "look at the lenses and pick your system"
That being said, who has the best selection of macro lenses for shooting low light scenarios?
I have not personally looked into macro lenses. I am leaning more towards great portrait lenses and wide angle lenses. From what I've found, Nikon and Canon seem to have very comparable lenses from the reviews I've read for my scenarios. I will probably use prime lenses, so I haven't been researching zooms.
thanks for the feedback.
I don't know macro photography very well but have been reading a bunch. Seems there is a big deal about 1:1???
the biggest for me for what I'm trying to capture (saltwater reef aquariums, insects, botany, subject is often less than a centimeter) is very fine focal length/control and getting lots of light quickly. Most is done with a tripod. need manual focus of course.
but I keep going back to the price of the D50. I'll probably play around with the different bodies and see what I like.
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computeerrgghh
Golden Member
If you are between a EOS 300D and a 10D, I would go with the 300D cause you can *cough* enable some 10D features (if I am thinking about the right camera).
Well, the 6mp of the D50/D70 can make a good 8x10 print right?
If you have a rebel xt and a d50 take the same shot, both looking good, how big a print can you make with each one?
Anyone with experience? I don't print much, but every once in a while, I would liek to make larger prints to hang. THats the only thing keeping me from not just holding off and waiting for the price on the d200 to come down a bit.
If you have a rebel xt and a d50 take the same shot, both looking good, how big a print can you make with each one?
Anyone with experience? I don't print much, but every once in a while, I would liek to make larger prints to hang. THats the only thing keeping me from not just holding off and waiting for the price on the d200 to come down a bit.
I don't? DSLR will soon turn back into a hobby for the masses. People will feel burdened by carrying around accessories and lenses in big bags, and as point and shoot quality catches up to DSLR, people will resort back. If you could get all of the same qualities of a DSLR (no shutter lag, big fast focal range, large CCD, etc) in a compact fixed lens point and shoot all in wonder would you get it? That's when DSLR will transition back into a hobby rather than mainstream stuff.
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