First Drive: 2005 Honda Accord Hybrid

[deejayshakur]

impressive, aluminum bumper and hood. i wouldn't doubt a hybrid nsx or rsx or tl in the future. the japanese have always been forwardthinking, and this kind of mindset in gradually weaning their country off of a finite and nonrenewable resource will continue to bring them success in the automotive world.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: jalaram
I would really love to get this car. However, it only comes in leather and I prefer cloth seats over leather.

I hear ya - in my experience Honda leather is especially nasty (though I haven't owned a Honda in a couple of years, and it may have improved). The deal-killer for me is the nonavailability of a manual transmission - I ended up kicking myself for buying a V-6 Accord EX a couple of years ago, because it reminded me how much I dislike automatic transmissions.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: KEV1N

Originally posted by: Aimster
why does a V6 accord go 0-60 in 8-seconds? That is slow for a V6 with 240HP.

Yo, I ran mine at the track for a 1/4 time of 15.038 @ 93.793mph and a 1/8 mile time of 9.754 @ 73.75mph (timeslip). Using this calculator, my 0-60 time is 6.46 sec.

cool, by that calculator, even my 03 I4 auto accord does 0-60 under 8 while sitting 1000+ ft above sea level.

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: KEV1N

Originally posted by: Aimster
why does a V6 accord go 0-60 in 8-seconds? That is slow for a V6 with 240HP.

Yo, I ran mine at the track for a 1/4 time of 15.038 @ 93.793mph and a 1/8 mile time of 9.754 @ 73.75mph (timeslip). Using this calculator, my 0-60 time is 6.46 sec.

cool, by that calculator, even my 03 I4 auto accord does 0-60 under 8 while sitting 1000+ ft above sea level.

Aren't you suppose to be at work?

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: KEV1N

Originally posted by: Aimster
why does a V6 accord go 0-60 in 8-seconds? That is slow for a V6 with 240HP.

Yo, I ran mine at the track for a 1/4 time of 15.038 @ 93.793mph and a 1/8 mile time of 9.754 @ 73.75mph (timeslip). Using this calculator, my 0-60 time is 6.46 sec.

cool, by that calculator, even my 03 I4 auto accord does 0-60 under 8 while sitting 1000+ ft above sea level.

Aren't you suppose to be at work?

I am, what about you? 😛

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: KEV1N

Originally posted by: Aimster
why does a V6 accord go 0-60 in 8-seconds? That is slow for a V6 with 240HP.

Yo, I ran mine at the track for a 1/4 time of 15.038 @ 93.793mph and a 1/8 mile time of 9.754 @ 73.75mph (timeslip). Using this calculator, my 0-60 time is 6.46 sec.

cool, by that calculator, even my 03 I4 auto accord does 0-60 under 8 while sitting 1000+ ft above sea level.

Aren't you suppose to be at work?

I am, what about you? 😛

I'm hard at work (both for work and for my 415 class😛)

 

[SuperTool]

It's disappointing in terms of the hybrid system. I would expect these mileage improvements from cylinder deactivation alone, since it would be running on 3 cylinders, so it seems the hybrid system doesn't do much.
Definitely not worth the 5K premium when you consider the 4K price difference and 1K sunroof deletion. They should just have cylinder deactivation, most of the benefit without most of the price.

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
It's disappointing in terms of the hybrid system. I would expect these mileage improvements from cylinder deactivation alone, since it would be running on 3 cylinders, so it seems the hybrid system doesn't do much.
Definitely not worth the 5K premium when you consider the 4K price difference and 1K sunroof deletion. They should just have cylinder deactivation, most of the benefit without most of the price.

I think cylinder deactivation comes standard on the non-hybrid EX V6 now (or will next year).

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: SuperTool
It's disappointing in terms of the hybrid system. I would expect these mileage improvements from cylinder deactivation alone, since it would be running on 3 cylinders, so it seems the hybrid system doesn't do much.
Definitely not worth the 5K premium when you consider the 4K price difference and 1K sunroof deletion. They should just have cylinder deactivation, most of the benefit without most of the price.

I think cylinder deactivation comes standard on the non-hybrid EX V6 now (or will next year).

Then it would be a good comparison, put the same aluminium parts on EX and compare the mileage.

 

[PricklyPete]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
It's disappointing in terms of the hybrid system. I would expect these mileage improvements from cylinder deactivation alone, since it would be running on 3 cylinders, so it seems the hybrid system doesn't do much.
Definitely not worth the 5K premium when you consider the 4K price difference and 1K sunroof deletion. They should just have cylinder deactivation, most of the benefit without most of the price.

I disagree. The cylinder deactivation only helps the top end of the EPA numbers...not the bottom end. There is no V6 that comes close to 30MPG using all 6 cylinders. Getting 30MPG in the city using a combo of the elec/gas motor and then getting 37MPG on the highway due to cylinder activation seems like an awesome combo...especially with the performance they are stating.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
It's disappointing in terms of the hybrid system. I would expect these mileage improvements from cylinder deactivation alone, since it would be running on 3 cylinders, so it seems the hybrid system doesn't do much.
Definitely not worth the 5K premium when you consider the 4K price difference and 1K sunroof deletion. They should just have cylinder deactivation, most of the benefit without most of the price.

That is absolutely speculation. The advantages of cylinder deactivation are most noticeable during constant speeds, like on a highway. Hybrid systems are advantageous in stop-and-go traffic where the batteries can get recharged from the braking system.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: PricklyPete

Originally posted by: SuperTool
It's disappointing in terms of the hybrid system. I would expect these mileage improvements from cylinder deactivation alone, since it would be running on 3 cylinders, so it seems the hybrid system doesn't do much.
Definitely not worth the 5K premium when you consider the 4K price difference and 1K sunroof deletion. They should just have cylinder deactivation, most of the benefit without most of the price.

I disagree. The cylinder deactivation only helps the top end of the EPA numbers...not the bottom end. There is no V6 that comes close to 30MPG using all 6 cylinders. Getting 30MPG in the city using a combo of the elec/gas motor and then getting 37MPG on the highway due to cylinder activation seems like an awesome combo...especially with the performance they are stating.

Well, if you turn off 3 cylinders when you are idling, you will improve the economy in the city too.
Looks to me like Honda couldn't even make 30mpg, and had to resort to shaving off weight just to get under that symbolic threshold.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: RossMAN
Haven't read the article yet, so don't shoot me.

Regular octane or premium gas?

Im sure its regular......There have been tests on Honda engines and they are one of the few if not only car manu. whos cars actually operate better on cheap gas.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: PricklyPete

Originally posted by: SuperTool
It's disappointing in terms of the hybrid system. I would expect these mileage improvements from cylinder deactivation alone, since it would be running on 3 cylinders, so it seems the hybrid system doesn't do much.
Definitely not worth the 5K premium when you consider the 4K price difference and 1K sunroof deletion. They should just have cylinder deactivation, most of the benefit without most of the price.

I disagree. The cylinder deactivation only helps the top end of the EPA numbers...not the bottom end. There is no V6 that comes close to 30MPG using all 6 cylinders. Getting 30MPG in the city using a combo of the elec/gas motor and then getting 37MPG on the highway due to cylinder activation seems like an awesome combo...especially with the performance they are stating.

Well, if you turn off 3 cylinders when you are idling, you will improve the economy in the city too.
Looks to me like Honda couldn't even make 30mpg, and had to resort to shaving off weight just to get under that symbolic threshold.

Then shouldn't they have shaved off the weight with the leather seats too and Automatic transmission?

 

[randomlinh]

ugh... the premium isn't worth it...

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Then shouldn't they have shaved off the weight with the leather seats too and Automatic transmission?

Those are both things that are de rigeur in this price range. I can't imagine you could save more than a pound or two with cloth upholstry, and although I strongly prefer a stick (and have one on my similarly-sized Nissan Maxima), there are not a lot of midsize sedan buyers who agree with me.

In theory, they could also save a lot of weight by removing the A/C, stereo, and soundproofing, but this is intended to be a full-featured, reasonably luxurious family car that happens to get good mileage, not a pure MPG-fixated engineering exercise.

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: PricklyPete

Originally posted by: SuperTool
It's disappointing in terms of the hybrid system. I would expect these mileage improvements from cylinder deactivation alone, since it would be running on 3 cylinders, so it seems the hybrid system doesn't do much.
Definitely not worth the 5K premium when you consider the 4K price difference and 1K sunroof deletion. They should just have cylinder deactivation, most of the benefit without most of the price.

I disagree. The cylinder deactivation only helps the top end of the EPA numbers...not the bottom end. There is no V6 that comes close to 30MPG using all 6 cylinders. Getting 30MPG in the city using a combo of the elec/gas motor and then getting 37MPG on the highway due to cylinder activation seems like an awesome combo...especially with the performance they are stating.

Well, if you turn off 3 cylinders when you are idling, you will improve the economy in the city too.
Looks to me like Honda couldn't even make 30mpg, and had to resort to shaving off weight just to get under that symbolic threshold.

the engine already turns OFF at "idle." come back when you have something resembling a grasp of how and WHEN cylinder deactivation helps and how and WHEN hybrid technology helps.

 

[SinNisTeR]

ive never been a fan of the back end of the 4 door accord.. 🙁

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: PricklyPete

Originally posted by: SuperTool
It's disappointing in terms of the hybrid system. I would expect these mileage improvements from cylinder deactivation alone, since it would be running on 3 cylinders, so it seems the hybrid system doesn't do much.
Definitely not worth the 5K premium when you consider the 4K price difference and 1K sunroof deletion. They should just have cylinder deactivation, most of the benefit without most of the price.

I disagree. The cylinder deactivation only helps the top end of the EPA numbers...not the bottom end. There is no V6 that comes close to 30MPG using all 6 cylinders. Getting 30MPG in the city using a combo of the elec/gas motor and then getting 37MPG on the highway due to cylinder activation seems like an awesome combo...especially with the performance they are stating.

Well, if you turn off 3 cylinders when you are idling, you will improve the economy in the city too.
Looks to me like Honda couldn't even make 30mpg, and had to resort to shaving off weight just to get under that symbolic threshold.

God, are you really that retarded or do you just like being a moron?

The I4 accord gets 24/33 and it's a couple hundred pounds lighter than the V6 hybrid. Don't even try to say that turning off one cylinder will make the mileage jump to 30/37.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
It's disappointing in terms of the hybrid system. I would expect these mileage improvements from cylinder deactivation alone, since it would be running on 3 cylinders, so it seems the hybrid system doesn't do much.
Definitely not worth the 5K premium when you consider the 4K price difference and 1K sunroof deletion. They should just have cylinder deactivation, most of the benefit without most of the price.

honda's hybrid system doesn't help highway mileage much, while cylinder deactivation doesn't help city mileage much... seems like a match made in heaven, to me.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: SinNisTeR
ive never been a fan of the back end of the 4 door accord.. 🙁

Yeah, in general I think the present Accord is a little frumpy. It's gotten worse with each of the last two major redesigns IMO. I think the current one is the ugliest Accord since the early 1980s. Still, nobody buys an Accord to pick up chicks (at least I hope not!).

 

[StageLeft]

Sounds decent, but again it's not going to save money on gas (compared to $4k price bump). Until they do I will never buy one.

 

[Doggiedog]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Sounds decent, but again it's not going to save money on gas (compared to $4k price bump). Until they call it a Maxima I will never buy one.

Fixed it for ya! 😉

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: PricklyPete

Originally posted by: SuperTool
It's disappointing in terms of the hybrid system. I would expect these mileage improvements from cylinder deactivation alone, since it would be running on 3 cylinders, so it seems the hybrid system doesn't do much.
Definitely not worth the 5K premium when you consider the 4K price difference and 1K sunroof deletion. They should just have cylinder deactivation, most of the benefit without most of the price.

I disagree. The cylinder deactivation only helps the top end of the EPA numbers...not the bottom end. There is no V6 that comes close to 30MPG using all 6 cylinders. Getting 30MPG in the city using a combo of the elec/gas motor and then getting 37MPG on the highway due to cylinder activation seems like an awesome combo...especially with the performance they are stating.

Well, if you turn off 3 cylinders when you are idling, you will improve the economy in the city too.
Looks to me like Honda couldn't even make 30mpg, and had to resort to shaving off weight just to get under that symbolic threshold.

the engine already turns OFF at "idle." come back when you have something resembling a grasp of how and WHEN cylinder deactivation helps and how and WHEN hybrid technology helps.

So you are saying cylinder deactivation won't save gas when idling on 3 cylinders instead of 6?
I am not saying Hybrid tech doesn't help, but cylinder deactivation alone will have most of the benefit and not have $5K premium. I would pay $500 more for cylinder deactivation, but I would not pay $5000 more for a hybrid system.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: PricklyPete

Originally posted by: SuperTool
It's disappointing in terms of the hybrid system. I would expect these mileage improvements from cylinder deactivation alone, since it would be running on 3 cylinders, so it seems the hybrid system doesn't do much.
Definitely not worth the 5K premium when you consider the 4K price difference and 1K sunroof deletion. They should just have cylinder deactivation, most of the benefit without most of the price.

I disagree. The cylinder deactivation only helps the top end of the EPA numbers...not the bottom end. There is no V6 that comes close to 30MPG using all 6 cylinders. Getting 30MPG in the city using a combo of the elec/gas motor and then getting 37MPG on the highway due to cylinder activation seems like an awesome combo...especially with the performance they are stating.

Well, if you turn off 3 cylinders when you are idling, you will improve the economy in the city too.
Looks to me like Honda couldn't even make 30mpg, and had to resort to shaving off weight just to get under that symbolic threshold.

God, are you really that retarded or do you just like being a moron?

The I4 accord gets 24/33 and it's a couple hundred pounds lighter than the V6 hybrid. Don't even try to say that turning off one cylinder will make the mileage jump to 30/37.

Sounds like you can't read or do math. It's 3 cylinders deactivated, not 1.
I4 accord has displacement of 2.4L.
3 of accord V6's cylinders have displacement of 1.5L
Still don't get it?