First Drive: 2005 Honda Accord Hybrid

[RU482]

Originally posted by: m2kewl
no sunroof???! :|

honda sucks!

WOW, sounds like a GM critic

 

[RU482]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
It's disappointing in terms of the hybrid system. I would expect these mileage improvements from cylinder deactivation alone, since it would be running on 3 cylinders, so it seems the hybrid system doesn't do much.
Definitely not worth the 5K premium when you consider the 4K price difference and 1K sunroof deletion. They should just have cylinder deactivation, most of the benefit without most of the price.

wholly fuc_king ignorant post
where in the power band does the deactivation occur?
where in the power band do you use the most fuel?
they DO NOT overlap!!!

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
So you are saying cylinder deactivation won't save gas when idling on 3 cylinders instead of 6?

What part of "The engine turns off at idle" do you not understand? 😕

Cylinder deactivation will do basically squat to city mileage.
Likewise for IMA and doing squat for highway.

As stated many times, please come back when you know more about the engine technology then my ass does about putting up a brick fireplace.

- M4H

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Sounds like you can't read or do math. It's 3 cylinders deactivated, not 1.
I4 accord has displacement of 2.4L.
3 of accord V6's cylinders have displacement of 1.5L
Still don't get it?

when you're running at the times that cylinder deactivation is in use gross displacement has little to do with fuel mileage.

*trots out the corvette highway mileage example yet again*

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Sounds like you can't read or do math. It's 3 cylinders deactivated, not 1.
I4 accord has displacement of 2.4L.
3 of accord V6's cylinders have displacement of 1.5L
Still don't get it?

when you're running at the times that cylinder deactivation is in use gross displacement has little to do with fuel mileage.

*trots out the corvette highway mileage example yet again*

I am talking about deactivation on idle. Anyways, I would just get a 4 cylinder accord myself. Good acceleration for a family car, good mileage for $10K less than the hybrid.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Well, if you turn off 3 cylinders when you are idling, you will improve the economy in the city too.
Looks to me like Honda couldn't even make 30mpg, and had to resort to shaving off weight just to get under that symbolic threshold.

My 4.6 litre V8 uses approximate 0.5 gallons per HOUR when idling. That fuel consumption is so small that it doesn't matter. Deactivating half the cylinders during idle wouldn't save much if anything. Especially since with fewer power pulses from deactivation the idle RPM would necessarily be higher.

ZV

 

[WolverineGator]

0.5 gallons per HOUR x 2 million US cars (conservative estimate) = 1 million gallons of gasoline. Not small.

 

[Kelemvor]

Car looks really promising. I just wish the Hybrids weren't so much more up front than Non-Hybrid models. It takes years to save the gas money to make up the difference.

15k miles per year average
$2/gallon average

35mpg = 428 gallons per year = $856/yr in gas
25mpg = 600 gallons per year = $1200/yr in gas

So every year you only save $350 in gas money. So if the Hybrid is $4k more than the standard, it'll take you 11 years to make that up based solely off the gas savings.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
Car looks really promising. I just wish the Hybrids weren't so much more up front than Non-Hybrid models. It takes years to save the gas money to make up the difference.

15k miles per year average
$2/gallon average

35mpg = 428 gallons per year = $856/yr in gas
25mpg = 600 gallons per year = $1200/yr in gas

So every year you only save $350 in gas money. So if the Hybrid is $4k more than the standard, it'll take you 11 years to make that up based solely off the gas savings.

Two words: tax breaks.

Thanks to the Hippie Initiative, you'll get a few grand for purchasing a hybrid. Think I'll toss a few sandbags in the trunk, pop some cheap rubber on the front, and lay a patch the length of the nearest protest line. "It's okay, folks ... it's a Hybrid!" 😀

- M4H

 

[NutBucket]

And don't forget rising fuel prices. Maybe Antarctica has some reserves that haven't been found😉😛😀

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: WolverineGator
0.5 gallons per HOUR x 2 million US cars (conservative estimate) = 1 million gallons of gasoline. Not small.

Wrong perspective dumbass.

An idling 4-cylinder ususes, guess what, about 0.5 gallons per hour at idle. Same as the V8. Cylinder deactivating at idle ain't going to save any significant amount of gasoline.

ZV

 

[Shortcut]

man, this car's got a nice combination of features. good mileage, more than sufficient acceleration, navigation system, and it's a full size 4 door! i'm a little disappointed by the price, but i suppose you get what you pay for...

just one question: where will this beast be manufactured? i read thru the edmunds article but couldn't seem to find this info.

 

[RossMAN]

No way I'd pay $30k for this.

Add another $2k and get an Acura TL-S

 

[virtueixi]

Exactly, 30 k for an accord? Good commuter car though.

 

[rh71]

$30k ?? Forget practicality at that price... I would rather get the popular sports cars at that range.

 

[eelw]

Originally posted by: Shortcut
just one question: where will this beast be manufactured? i read thru the edmunds article but couldn't seem to find this info.

Assuming it's like my 2003 Civic Hybrid, the Accord Hybrid will most likely be assembled in Japan and shipped over to North America.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Shortcut
man, this car's got a nice combination of features. good mileage, more than sufficient acceleration, navigation system, and it's a full size 4 door! i'm a little disappointed by the price, but i suppose you get what you pay for...

just one question: where will this beast be manufactured? i read thru the edmunds article but couldn't seem to find this info.

actually it's a mid size.

unless you're talking about a rental place, in which case it would be 'extra large premium with extra cheese'

 

[Garuda]

Despite all the fuss about gasoline prices, the fact is that all the automakers, and especially the Japs, are tripping over themselves to put out new big trucks. Everyone's light trucks sales are up, and just about everyone is seeing either flat or lower car/minivan sales.

I think there is a small core of environmentalists who will purchase a hybrid (not to save money mind you, these things could take a decade or more to realize gasoline cost savings, and that's if they perform as advertised). But with more and more hybrids coming out, they're just going to duke it out amongst each other for a very small piece of the automotive pie.

Honda offers the Acura TL (a gussied up Accord built off the same assembly line) for around $30,000. I imagine most of its customers would rather have that than the Accord Hybrid.