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CTho9305

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A typical geek myth. As a web developer I can tell you Firefox is a bullsh!t browser that doesn't display things that ARE correct the right way. For no good reason sometime.
Who cares? IE doesn't display everything correctly, and it's easier to get what you want out of Gecko-powered browsers because they're consistent, and follow standards when possible. It's not like I often run into pages that don't render "properly" - it's a very rare occurrence. Probably more rare than getting spyware with IE ;).

Anyone know how to change the firefox icon to use this one instead? I tried renaming it to .ico but windows says its not a valid icon file.
.ico files are .bmp files. JPG is different. You could convert it using Paint if you want... but when you shrink it back down, it will look just about like the regular icon.

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
http://webstandards.org/act/acid2/

Hey guys, don't believe fanboy hype. For those of who you say FF is so standards compliant.

That test was specifically designed to fail in every browser. The Gecko devs (the engine behind Firefox and Mozilla) have more important things to work on right now (i.e. shipping a reliable, stable, feature-packed Firefox 1.1 based on Gecko 1.8), and they don't expect to pass it until after gecko 1.8 is done and 1.9 development starts. It's not like passing it is necessarily useful - Gecko already renders the stuff you find in 99.999% of web pages "properly".
 

Platypus

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Originally posted by: CTho9305
A typical geek myth. As a web developer I can tell you Firefox is a bullsh!t browser that doesn't display things that ARE correct the right way. For no good reason sometime.
Who cares? IE doesn't display everything correctly, and it's easier to get what you want out of Gecko-powered browsers because they're consistent, and follow standards when possible. It's not like I often run into pages that don't render "properly" - it's a very rare occurrence. Probably more rare than getting spyware with IE ;).

Anyone know how to change the firefox icon to use this one instead? I tried renaming it to .ico but windows says its not a valid icon file.
.ico files are .bmp files. JPG is different. You could convert it using Paint if you want... but when you shrink it back down, it will look just about like the regular icon.

Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
http://webstandards.org/act/acid2/

Hey guys, don't believe fanboy hype. For those of who you say FF is so standards compliant.

That test was specifically designed to fail in every browser. The Gecko devs (the engine behind Firefox and Mozilla) have more important things to work on right now (i.e. shipping a reliable, stable, feature-packed Firefox 1.1 based on Gecko 1.8), and they don't expect to pass it until after gecko 1.8 is done and 1.9 development starts. It's not like passing it is necessarily useful - Gecko already renders the stuff you find in 99.999% of web pages "properly".

It doesn't fail on my mac with Safari.

The point isn't whether it's important or not, it doesn't follow standards, so I fail to see how it's importance matters to disprove everyone's blatent statements of the opposite.
 

Babbles

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I prefer Opera a whole lot more than FF. However I would take FF over MSIE.
 

Deeko

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I never get spyware with IE. I never get popups with IE(and my google toolbar only has 13 popups blocked). I never get a page that doesn't render incorrectly. I don't have to deal with horrible tabbed browsing.

Firefox might render MOST pages correctly, but theres still some it gets wrong, including my webmail(exchangeweb), and some sites that I've developed for work have required firefox-specific coding to make it work.
 

Transition

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Originally posted by: Deeko
I never get spyware with IE. I never get popups with IE(and my google toolbar only has 13 popups blocked). I never get a page that doesn't render incorrectly. I don't have to deal with horrible tabbed browsing.

Firefox might render MOST pages correctly, but theres still some it gets wrong, including my webmail(exchangeweb), and some sites that I've developed for work have required firefox-specific coding to make it work.

Roger that. I can say after using firefox for about 4 months that if IE had browsed tabbing i'd be using that instead. Firefox really is a lot like Apple in the sense of developing a cult-like-following.
 

JustAnAverageGuy

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Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Originally posted by: sharkeeper
Where's the logo where the fox is so bloated with runaway RAM usage that it explodes showering a schoolbus full of children with entrails?

Next to the one that shows all the evil spyware spilling out of the e-drive's platters like skittles down the creaky stairway from Redmond.

No one said IE was worth using, it's just funny how people worship Firefox when it's a pretty subpar browser.

:beer: :heart: Opera

Originally posted by: Transition

Roger that. I can say after using firefox for about 4 months that if IE had browsed tabbing i'd be using that instead. Firefox really is a lot like Apple in the sense of developing a cult-like-following.

Agree completely.

As for IE /w tabs, ever try Maxthon\MyIE2?
 

ThisIsMatt

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I like how when using firefox, if you have a ton of tabs open they just go off the side of the window and you can't actually access them...why the hell doesn't it start a 2nd row?
 

SaturnX

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Originally posted by: Deeko
I never get spyware with IE. I never get popups with IE(and my google toolbar only has 13 popups blocked). I never get a page that doesn't render incorrectly. I don't have to deal with horrible tabbed browsing.

Firefox might render MOST pages correctly, but theres still some it gets wrong, including my webmail(exchangeweb), and some sites that I've developed for work have required firefox-specific coding to make it work.

That's a moot point, it's all relative.. if you're writing using W3C standards, then you'll find yourself writing IE specific code. CSS support in IE is ridiculous and behind any other browser, which at this point is just ridiculous.

As for the whole memory usage aspect, according to the IE7 dev blogs, IE7 has tabbed browsing, and currently it's slated to have each tab running on its own thread, which in my opinion, will probabaly take a toll on performance and mem usage.

--Mark



 

chuckywang

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Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Where's the logo where the fox is so bloated with runaway RAM usage that it explodes showering a schoolbus full of children with entrails?

Hey, IE uses a lot of RAM too if you open multiple instances.
 

Juice Box

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Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Where's the logo where the fox is so bloated with runaway RAM usage that it explodes showering a schoolbus full of children with entrails?

QFT....hahaha
 

JustAnAverageGuy

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Well since the thread has been bumped already, I would simply like to point out

Opera > Firefox > IE. WITH PROOF. Here's your standards that you guys love so much ;)

None of them are perfect yet, but atleast Opera's rendition almost looks like a face. :)
 

edro

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Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: xcript
Originally posted by: SaturnX
Originally posted by: Deeko
Wheres the one of the fox looking really confused beacuse he doesn't know how to render a website?

Right beside the one of lazy programmers who don't write using proper W3C Standards and the one of IE not adhearing to W3C thus allowing the lazy ass pages to be displayed.

--Mark
:thumbsup:

A typical geek myth. As a web developer I can tell you Firefox is a bullsh!t browser that doesn't display things that ARE correct the right way. For no good reason sometime.

I agree, and I also hate when n00b Firefox users use that point for their argument.
 

UNCjigga

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Originally posted by: CorporateRecreation
Where's the logo where the fox is so bloated with runaway RAM usage that it explodes showering a schoolbus full of children with entrails?
QFT. With the latest versions FF regularly consumes 60+mb of ram, while IE running as many windows does 40mb.

But me fears the entity known as IE7 with tabs :(...I bet RAM usage will triple.

 

Deeko

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Originally posted by: SaturnX
Originally posted by: Deeko
I never get spyware with IE. I never get popups with IE(and my google toolbar only has 13 popups blocked). I never get a page that doesn't render incorrectly. I don't have to deal with horrible tabbed browsing.

Firefox might render MOST pages correctly, but theres still some it gets wrong, including my webmail(exchangeweb), and some sites that I've developed for work have required firefox-specific coding to make it work.

That's a moot point, it's all relative.. if you're writing using W3C standards, then you'll find yourself writing IE specific code. CSS support in IE is ridiculous and behind any other browser, which at this point is just ridiculous.

As for the whole memory usage aspect, according to the IE7 dev blogs, IE7 has tabbed browsing, and currently it's slated to have each tab running on its own thread, which in my opinion, will probabaly take a toll on performance and mem usage.

--Mark

If you're insinuating that I don't write proper code, and that's why I write Firefox-specific code, you're wrong. Firefox can't do random things right...like making a textbox the proper width, or making something that is 100% height more than 50% height. You can't tell me there is something wrong with my code for those things, Firefox just loses its mind for no reason.
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: xcript
Originally posted by: SaturnX
Originally posted by: Deeko
Wheres the one of the fox looking really confused beacuse he doesn't know how to render a website?

Right beside the one of lazy programmers who don't write using proper W3C Standards and the one of IE not adhearing to W3C thus allowing the lazy ass pages to be displayed.

--Mark
:thumbsup:

A typical geek myth. As a web developer I can tell you Firefox is a bullsh!t browser that doesn't display things that ARE correct the right way. For no good reason sometime.

It's not a myth at all. IE has "corrected" problems for years instead of displaying poorly written pages the way they are actually written.
 

Deeko

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Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Deeko
Originally posted by: xcript
Originally posted by: SaturnX
Originally posted by: Deeko
Wheres the one of the fox looking really confused beacuse he doesn't know how to render a website?

Right beside the one of lazy programmers who don't write using proper W3C Standards and the one of IE not adhearing to W3C thus allowing the lazy ass pages to be displayed.

--Mark
:thumbsup:

A typical geek myth. As a web developer I can tell you Firefox is a bullsh!t browser that doesn't display things that ARE correct the right way. For no good reason sometime.

It's not a myth at all. IE has "corrected" problems for years instead of displaying poorly written pages the way they are actually written.

You morons are missing what I'm saying.

Maybe IE fixes wrong code. I don't really see a problem with that...better than having a page that doesn't display right.

What Firefox does is display code that IS right WRONG.

Which is worse?
 

JustAnAverageGuy

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Originally posted by: kyparrish
Firefox currently using 48mb, 2 windows open, 6 total tabs

Firefox > *

Just for fun

Tabs opened for experiment

* this thread
* anandtech.com
* pics.bbzzdd.com
* factcheck.org
* wikipedia
* cnn
* maddox
* ESPN.com
* reply window

Total tab count: 9

memory usage: 46MB