Firearms and Dementia

[Viper1j]

This article ignores those who have neither dementia or are old but who are simply demented, such as the majority of Trumpists. How will we prevent violence from these demented right wingers in the future?

They'll take care of themselves.

Remember Las Vegas?

 

[fskimospy]

I mean, he's just a troll, right?

Maybe, although I get the sense that he’s genuine. I mean I doubt he is being honest when he pretends not to understand the link between firearm ownership and death but I suspect his views against gun control are genuine.

 

[TheVrolok]

Maybe, although I get the sense that he’s genuine. I mean I doubt he is being honest when he pretends not to understand the link between firearm ownership and death but I suspect his views against gun control are genuine.

It's so tough for me, perhaps too cynical by nature. I also wonder, to your point, why not both?

Same goes for Slow. I get a general sense he believes what he says, but taking it to such dishonest levels suggests either they're partly just trolling, or really have significant problems with logic and understanding.

 

[fskimospy]

It's so tough for me, perhaps too cynical by nature. I also wonder, to your point, why not both?

Same goes for Slow. I get a general sense he believes what he says, but taking it to such dishonest levels suggests either they're partly just trolling, or really have significant problems with logic and understanding.

I guess it just depends on the definition, I agree it’s a similar thing with Spidey. He knows he’s lying but for whatever reason that’s what he wants to do.

 

[IJTSSG]

It makes you more likely to die in any given year. (Or whatever a study’s time horizon is) Does stuff this basic really need to be explained to you?

The mechanism for this appears to be the obvious one - easy access to lethal means makes it easier to commit homicide and suicide. When you make something easier to do it happens more often. It’s bizarre that you need this explained.

LOL. Why are you blaming others for your stupidity? You posted-"What I’ve seen people argue is that owning a gun makes you more likely to die, which is true." Period. Full stop. You added the qualifiers after you were called on it. Words matter. Context matters. I'm not at all surprised I have to explain this to you but it is tedious. And boring.

Once again you will be permitted to have the last word. Do better this time if you can.

 

[fskimospy]

LOL. Why are you blaming others for your stupidity? You posted-"What I’ve seen people argue is that owning a gun makes you more likely to die, which is true." Period. Full stop. You added the qualifiers after you were called on it. Words matter. Context matters. I'm not at all surprised I have to explain this to you but it is tedious. And boring.

Once again you will be permitted to have the last word. Do better this time if you can.

There were no qualifiers added and there are no qualifiers needed.

You seem to have some pretty serious reading comprehension problems, haha. Do better next time if you can.

 

[Muse]

I'm fairly certain that every human being on the planet has an exactly (checks notes) 100% chance of dying. Please explain how owning a gun makes it more likely to die.

This should be good. LOL.

More likely to die by being shot.

 

[Paladin3]

More likely to die by being shot.

A very true statement. But I would argue I was risking my life far more simply driving on the freeways in Los Angeles, where I grew up and lived for he first 40 years of my life, than I am risking my life now living in North Idaho and being able to legally carry a concealed pistol.

We all make choices about how we want to live and assume the risk of living or dying associated with those choices. Twenty minutes of good cardio 3x a week would likely extend my life far longer than any amount of gun control ever could.

 

[fskimospy]

A very true statement. But I would argue I was risking my life far more simply driving on the freeways in Los Angeles, where I grew up and lived for he first 40 years of my life, than I am risking my life now living in North Idaho and being able to legally carry a concealed pistol.

We all make choices about how we want to live and assume the risk of living or dying associated with those choices. Twenty minutes of good cardio 3x a week would likely extend my life far longer than any amount of gun control ever could.

Sure, but not owning a pistol makes your life expectancy longer than owning one. Why not save money AND live longer? It’s a win all around.

 

[whm1974]

Sure, but not owning a pistol makes your life expectancy longer than owning one. Why not save money AND live longer? It’s a win all around.

That would depend where you are living. in quite a few areas the are plenty of folks who only respect those who are capable of violence and are willing to use it to protect themselves and thir loved ones.

 

[fskimospy]

That would depend where you are living. in quite a few areas the are plenty of folks who only respect those who are capable of violence and are willing to use it to protect themselves and thir loved ones.

No, not really. Even after controlling for crime rate and such owning a gun still makes you more likely to die. It’s just a bad idea if you are owning it for self protection.

I know intuitively it seems like owning a gun should make you safer but...well...it doesn’t.

 

[whm1974]

No, not really. Even after controlling for crime rate and such owning a gun still makes you more likely to die. It’s just a bad idea if you are owning it for self protection.

I know intuitively it seems like owning a gun should make you safer but...well...it doesn’t.

Any responsible gun owner understands the risk.

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm not too worried about shooting anybody when I get old due to dimentia because I also won't remember where I put them or even that I have them. I think a bigger issue will be pissing on the floor while doing the dishes.

 

[Moonbeam]

No, not really. Even after controlling for crime rate and such owning a gun still makes you more likely to die. It’s just a bad idea if you are owning it for self protection.

I know intuitively it seems like owning a gun should make you safer but...well...it doesn’t.

There is safer in reality and safer in your imagination. I have mowed down millions while falling asleep with my Tompson's baseball bat.

 

[fskimospy]

Any responsible gun owner understands the risk.

That doesn’t appear to be true. Well, either that or a very large percentage of gun owners are not responsible. Personal safety is the #1 reason people give for owning a gun. If they properly understood the risk they wouldn’t buy one for personal safety because it makes you less safe.

 

[fskimospy]

There is safer in reality and safer in your imagination. I have mowed down millions while falling asleep with my Tompson's baseball bat.

Yes, I agree here. I’m sure owning a gun makes people FEEL safer even as it makes them less safe in reality.

 

[shortylickens]

Yes, I agree here. I’m sure owning a gun makes people FEEL safer even as it makes them less safe in reality.

on New Years Eve 2015 a man repeatedly threatened to kill me and walked towards me as he was doing it. I shot him once, missed, and he went away, no longer threatening to kill me.

Later when I found out his name I saw his record included one murder charge, one manslaughter conviction, about 20 violence charges and a hundred non-violent charges.

America is not a nice place. It never was. Just ask the Indians.

 

[fskimospy]

on New Years Eve 2015 a man repeatedly threatened to kill me and walked towards me as he was doing it. I shot him once, missed, and he went away, no longer threatening to kill me.

Later when I found out his name I saw his record included one murder charge, one manslaughter conviction, about 20 violence charges and a hundred non-violent charges.

America is not a nice place. It never was. Just ask the Indians.

What’s your point? How many stories do you want me to link of people shooting themselves, loved ones, people by accident, etc.?

My position isn’t that owning a gun is never useful for self protection, it’s just that for the average person it makes you less safe. This is backed up by a lot of research.

 

[whm1974]

What’s your point? How many stories do you want me to link of people shooting themselves, loved ones, people by accident, etc.?

My position isn’t that owning a gun is never useful for self protection, it’s just that for the average person it makes you less safe. This is backed up by a lot of research.

The media has a strong tendency to exaggerate things especially when it sells.

 

[shortylickens]

What’s your point? How many stories do you want me to link of people shooting themselves, loved ones, people by accident, etc.?

My position isn’t that owning a gun is never useful for self protection, it’s just that for the average person it makes you less safe. This is backed up by a lot of research.

You could be right.

Did you see the report by Harvard saying getting rid of guns does not improve the overall safety?

 

[fskimospy]

The media has a strong tendency to exaggerate things especially when it sells.

What does the media have to do with this?

 

[fskimospy]

You could be right.

Did you see the report by Harvard saying getting rid of guns does not improve the overall safety?

No, what are you referring to specifically? I can link a bunch of research that indicates the opposite.

 

[blackangst1]

What’s your point? How many stories do you want me to link of people shooting themselves, loved ones, people by accident, etc.?

My position isn’t that owning a gun is never useful for self protection, it’s just that for the average person it makes you less safe. This is backed up by a lot of research.

This is a fun game!

Owning a car makes you more likely to die in an accident.

 

[fskimospy]

This is a fun game!

Owning a car makes you more likely to die in an accident.

It is amazing to me how often people try to make this point considering how self-evidently absurd it is.

People (broadly) purchase cars for the purpose of greater mobility. An increased risk of death in an accident is the price they pay for that mobility.

By far the most commonly stated reason for owning a firearm is self defense. If you are more likely to die if you own a gun than if you do not it is pretty obviously not providing improved self defense. Therefore buying it for that purpose is irrational.

An analogy would be if buying a car actually made your average travel speed slower than if you just walked. If it did buying a car would be a pretty silly choice, no? Similarly here, buying a gun for self defense is foolish.

 

[blackangst1]

It is amazing to me how often people try to make this point considering how self-evidently absurd it is.

People (broadly) purchase cars for the purpose of greater mobility. An increased risk of death in an accident is the price they pay for that mobility.

By far the most commonly stated reason for owning a firearm is self defense. If you are more likely to die if you own a gun than if you do not it is pretty obviously not providing improved self defense. Therefore buying it for that purpose is irrational.

An analogy would be if buying a car actually made your average travel speed slower than if you just walked. If it did buying a car would be a pretty silly choice, no? Similarly here, buying a gun for self defense is foolish.

I agree youre more likely to die from your own gun than if you never had one (duh). What I disagree with is your opinion (its ok to agree to disagree). And more, speaking of absurd, is getting guns off the streets. Thats laughable.

Most of the time the only people who suffer from gun restrictions are legal gun owners, and people who respect the rule of law. Making guns illegal wont do a thing for those who have guns illegally. And Im willing to bet it wont persuade legal gun owners to simply hand over their guns. Whats your solution for that?

edit: Also, although there isnt much data on this, much of the data that does exist says most gun crimes happen with guns illegally obtained.

https://www.politifact.com/new-york...egal-gun-owners-commit-most-gun-crime-rep-fa/