Fire them all.

[JSt0rm]

As President Obama likes to say, "Until we see evidence that it didn't happen, it happened."

lol. Whats that from? I want to read the full quote.

And if this is true then beheadings.

 

[brencat]

If true those who organized it should be brought up on charges... that is if it's true.

Well, the one guy they photo'd sleeping in his plow for 2 hours is most certainly going to get fired. Then again, it's the NYC public union so maybe not...

 

[Thump553]

Well, the one guy they photo'd sleeping in his plow for 2 hours is most certainly going to get fired. Then again, it's the NYC public union so maybe not...

That may not be as damning as you think. I have two relatives that have been/are snow plow operators, one public, one self employed private. During big storms like that one, it's not unusal for them to be out on the road 30 hours or more straight. Sometimes those guys are out 3-4 days. Frequently the most efficient system is to have the driver sleep in the cab for a few hours, especially if there are no backup drivers available.

This is clearly a situation that merits a full investigation. I'm just saying don't leap to conclusions prematurely.

BTW, I'm a bit surprised we haven't had a thread about NJ Governor Christie heading off to California for Disneyland on the eve of the storm-while his lieutenant governor was out of the country on vacation.

 

[Jhhnn]

There you go... when reality doesn't fit a liberal ideology, reality must be wrong.

And you are right... they aren't equivalent. The majority of the world thought Iraq had WMDs, and had evidence to support it. Still haven't seen that evidence about the chamber of commerce, but His Greatness made a claim, and the liberal world echoed it with fury as The Truth.

Gawd you're lame.

The Rotw (western intelligence agencies) merely echoed the Bush Admin's "sexing up" Iraq's "weapons program". The truth remains that suspicions at the time were only that, suspicions.

The C of C puts both foreign and domestic contributions into the same fund, uses monies from that fund for political advertising. That's obvious, and they readily admit to such. Perhaps to avoid future controversy they'll create separate funds and offer some transparency. We'll never know the truth, because nobody's going to invade them...

None of which changes the fact that the OP's post, and attitude, are based strictly on the account of one man, who has an axe to grind.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Yep- you've already accepted the basic (uncorroborated) premise, that a slowdown did indeed occur.

You do realize that this kerfuffle is just another example of Repub methodology- a single accusation becoming "fact" from the acts of repetition and context stripping?

Iraqi WMD's ring a bell?

What? People died because the roads weren't plowed and emergency vehicles couldn't get through. This isn't a conspiracy theory; it actually happened. Those who caused this disruption should be fired and those who were instrumental in organizing it should be charged.

 

[Zebo]

Exactly 10 fucken hours in a city. NYC?!?! Gimme a break. I don't need a teabagger or even an investigation to tell me someone failed it's self evident.

 

[Jhhnn]

What? People died because the roads weren't plowed and emergency vehicles couldn't get through. This isn't a conspiracy theory; it actually happened. Those who caused this disruption should be fired and those who were instrumental in organizing it should be charged.

Your post exemplifies what I've offered all along, and the fact that you refuse to recognize what I said reinforces my POV.

We have one, 1, uno, single person (a Tea Party endorsee) making accusations so far, and a bunch of others trumpeting his statements as if they were incontrovertible fact, and they're not, not by a longshot.

An alternative explanation for his sermonizing is that he wants to discount the effect of implementation of his "smaller govt" hogwash in the form of sanitation workers having been laid off to "save money". If that's really the truth of the matter, will you advocate prosecuting the mayor and his cronies? If it was their actions that led to accidental deaths?

Investigate? Sure. Have at it. When and if (a very big If) there's truly credible testimony wrt a conspiracy, I'm all for the authorities taking appropriate action. Let's try a little "innocent until proven guilty", OK?

Wake up! You're letting yourself be manipulated.

 

[yllus]

I was in NYC near Times Square for the duration of the storm and I thought Bloomberg played it just fine. Perhaps declaring it a snow emergency would have been better as a major issue seemed to be snowplows not being able to fully clear streets due to people parking on them, but that might not have played out all that differently - where would all those cars go?

Sometimes we forget that when nature wants to play rough there's not much we can do about it. Maybe this will inspire people to individually prepare better for next time - stockpile the things you really need and don't assume deliveries will always make it through.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Bolded part could be applicable... the officials didn't create the snow, but they intentionally created the hazardous conditions by neglecting to perform their duties.

That's not creating a hazardous situation, just as failing to dry the roads while it's raining isn't creating the hazard of wet pavement.

Sanitation workers are tasked with snow removal, they aren't liable for it.
Also, being out of range of emergency personnel isn't itself a hazard. It causes no injury. In fact, emergency workers would have exposed the baby and mother to many more hazards: Ambulance wreck, disease, malpractice, negligence.

 

[Doppel]

No evidence of deliberate slow-down.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/06/03/new.york.blizzard.investigation/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

 

[shortylickens]

No evidence of deliberate slow-down.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/06/03/new.york.blizzard.investigation/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

You know what I think when I hear "Anti-corruption agency"?

DIRTY!

 

[Cogman]

No evidence of deliberate slow-down.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/06/03/new.york.blizzard.investigation/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

The probe did uncover several incidents in which sanitation workers weren't doing their job, including ones who were caught on surveillance video. Video shows three sanitation workers purchasing beer while on duty.

There is, however, evidence of gross incompetence. Unions are SUPPOSED to police their union members and make sure their employees are quality workers. That just isn't the case anymore. So, tell me again, what good is a union?

 

[Matt1970]

Gawd you're lame.

The Rotw (western intelligence agencies) merely echoed the Bush Admin's "sexing up" Iraq's "weapons program". The truth remains that suspicions at the time were only that, suspicions.

Sure he trumped up some evidence but what intelligence was Clinton and the rest of the world using when they were making those claims in the 90's?

Suspicions vs. fact.

Fact: Saddam used WMD's against Iran.
Fact: Saddam used WMD's against his own people.
Fact: He threw out weapons inspectors on more than once.
Per some of the many UN resoltions he was supposed to show the distruction of the WMD and never did.

 

[Jaskalas]

There is, however, evidence of gross incompetence. Unions are SUPPOSED to police their union members and make sure their employees are quality workers. That just isn't the case anymore. So, tell me again, what good is a union?

That's a laugh How do they quality check employees when anyone employed is forced into it?

 

[Cogman]

That's a laugh How do they quality check employees when anyone employed is forced into it?

There's the rub. Unions used to be a great thing because they had outside competition. They said "Ok, you have to deal with us negotiating our members wages, but you also get the best workers for this industry". And that was the reason to go with a union. Now, they pretty much just shake down members for due fees.

 

[fskimospy]

Gee, looks like the NYT was pretty smart for mentioning it only in passing now, huh?