Finaly bit the bullet and got a new car!!!

[alkemyst]

i can guarantee you you are paying for that FREE maintenance in the price of the vehicle.

Seriously itemize the 'FREE' stuff you are getting and tell me what it really is worth.

The free maintenance was the sucker's bet pulling a used car buyer into the new market.

You are really not restricted on a lease...you just need to pay more if you break the contract....in some cases it's a wash.

I don't know what's asinine about the end of lease inspection...I can guarantee you would do the same if it was your vehicle.

What kinds of cars do you own? You really don't seem like the type this is even a realistic arguement for.

 

[SSSnail]

Me? I'm just the typical ATOTer, 6 figures, model wife, I drive a rear wheel drive German made Civic with the Maxwell House package...

Tread lightly boy before you get owned.

 

[alkemyst]

I think you have owned yourself thinking free maintenance is a good deal.

 

[SSSnail]

No, all things considered, if you look at base price and factor in the prices of scheduled maintenance plus changing out consumables and brakes. Guess what the TCO of a BMW in four years would be? That's right, a big fat whopping 0. (Well, you have to pay for the car)

You must think everyone is an imbecile like yourself and gets fooled into thinking that "Free" is always free. The people that can afford these cars are usually much smarter than you, and they do see benefits.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
No, all things considered, if you look at base price and factor in the prices of scheduled maintenance plus changing out consumables and brakes. Guess what the TCO of a BMW in four years would be? That's right, a big fat whopping 0. (Well, you have to pay for the car)

You must think everyone is an imbecile like yourself and gets fooled into thinking that "Free" is always free. The people that can afford these cars are usually much smarter than you, and they do see benefits.

LOL how many who buy cars every 2-3 years have really had to do brakes? You get about an oil change or two a year, a hard upsell at the dealership when you go get them, and have paid thousands more than those add up to be by simply not electing to pick up last years model.

Again you are absolutely owning yourself thinking this 'free maintenance' really makes a difference on a car of this caliber. Like I said, it's a sucker's bet...sucker.

VW has now given free maintenance but dropped their warranty from 5 years/50k to 3 years/36k and increased the recommended mileage interval for oil changes. They learned people like you are buying into this free maintenance bullshit.

 

[SSSnail]

I tried to save you from embarrassment, but I guess you won't give up.

Let me start this process.

You're an idiot.

Do you know how many scheduled maintenance a BMW will go through in four years? Do you know what needs to be changed? Do you know how much they're cost? And if you think a BMW should cost as much as say, a Nissan (not disrespecting Nissan as I'm also a huge GT-R fan), then you're truly and idiot.

It's bullshit because you can't afford it. There, does that sound about right?

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
Alkemyst, BMW's come with FREE maintenance with the price of the car for 4 years or 50K miles, unconditional. I don't really care what other cars you're interested in, I was talking about BMW's exclusively.

I will never lease, I actually was looking at one a few months ago but decided against it because it's too restrictive. I like to do things to my cars, doesn't matter what kind of car they are, I'll always do something to them. Leasing will prohibit me from doing a lot of these things, and I've already mentioned the mileage restriction and the asinine end of lease inspections.

Not that I'd go and ding or scratch up my car, but FSM (referencing his holy flying noodly appendages) forbids, if I ever nick up the car, or scratch it. For me the financing terms have always been 4 years, so even if I decide to change car 2 years after drive off, I'm OK with it. One this is for sure, I'll never buy a new car again, ever. I can easily pick up a CPO or an inventory excess (which is brand new) without the brand new sticker price and they still come with brand new car perks (again, BMWs... or depends on how you negotiate at other dealers).

I personally would just pay a bit more for any car and own it outright so I can do whatever I please to it, than to baby it.

You are pretty far off base when it comes to wear and tear for a car. Each company is different, but anything covered by a credit card is considered normal wear and tear for Dodge (up to three per panel). GMAC has a little piece of cardboard that is used to guage wear and tear. I have heard BMW is fairly open on their policy, too.

Now, I did get dinged for a major dent in my truck. The exhaust pipe was pushed up into the rear quarter panel approximately 2", with the paint completely flaked off. Total charge was $50-ish.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
I tried to save you from embarrassment, but I guess you won't give up.

Let me start this process.

You're an idiot.

Do you know how many scheduled maintenance a BMW will go through in four years? Do you know what needs to be changed? Do you know how much they're cost? And if you think a BMW should cost as much as say, a Nissan (not disrespecting Nissan as I'm also a huge GT-R fan), then you're truly and idiot.

It's bullshit because you can't afford it. There, does that sound about right?

I think that alkemyst's point is that "free" maintenance is rolled into the price of the car. It's not free, it's pre-paid.

 

[ayabe]

I'm not really sure what you guys are arguing about but regularly scheduled maintenance, if done according to the MFG's recommendations can be quite expensive.

I'm at 45K on my WRX, thus far I have paid for 3 scheduled maintenance routines, 15K, 30K, 45K. They cost $550, $650, $550, so in other words, not cheap. This is outside of the normal oil changes which I do myself.

My dealership is also sells Chryslers and I've seen the price for their scheduled maintenance and it's about 2/3 of what they want for Subaru's.

So I can guarantee that similar maintenance on BMW would be substantially more than that even.

So from my perspective this BMW maintenance deal is pretty damn sweet, and actually makes them 100% more appealing to me. I don't believe the MSRP of their vehicles is being inflated to make up for the maintenance program. The one place they do gouge on is options, but as for the cars themselves, they are really good.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
I tried to save you from embarrassment, but I guess you won't give up.

Let me start this process.

You're an idiot.

Do you know how many scheduled maintenance a BMW will go through in four years? Do you know what needs to be changed? Do you know how much they're cost? And if you think a BMW should cost as much as say, a Nissan (not disrespecting Nissan as I'm also a huge GT-R fan), then you're truly and idiot.

It's bullshit because you can't afford it. There, does that sound about right?

Please entertain us and list out this scheduled maintenace...also please show the 'average' BMW owners mileage and ownership time frame.

Then price out a 1 year old bmw and what it would cost out of pocket for that same period.

You are a sucker if you think the free maintenace should be a reason to buy a new car from any maker.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
It's bullshit because you can't afford it. There, does that sound about right?

So since I am driving a 1998 240SX SE you think I can't afford a BMW? You realize in the first year I bought the 240SX I also put another $25k into it cash and I am not done. I haven't even started real power mods which I am leaning to just go SR20DET now.

I was into the car for about $35k total at that point....one the engine is done about $45k total. It's more about having a car I don't see everywhere as well as being a non-four door with RWD, but I don't think you understand cars at all.

So what are you driving?

 

[SSSnail]

Yes, you're one of the "Fast and Furious" crowd, I get it. I used to do that too, and still do to some extent. As a matter of fact I used to have the same car you're driving, and that's a loooonnngggg time ago. I have a few friends that own shops that could probably help you out if you're on the right coast, the West coast. Nowadays we're just doing projects for fun, like this 400 HP Ethanol injected MR-2 http://img509.imageshack.us/my...image=mr2enginehv9.jpg (the Ethanol bottle is in the trunk). So I can probably teach you a thing or two about modding.

As for scheduled maintenance for a BMW within 4 years (this is also dependent on your driving style that it will move the schedule up or a little longer), here's what's recommended on new BMWs

Recommended between Service Intervals Intermediate oil change
15,000 Oil Service
Recommended between Service Intervals Intermediate oil change
30,000 Inspection I
Recommended between Service Intervals Intermediate oil change
45,000 Oil Service
Recommended between Service Intervals Intermediate oil change
60,000 Inspection II

That's what recommended, and I can guarantee you I will wear out some set of brake pads in that time frame. Add those up + whatever incidental maintenance will cost me a few grands easily. If you look at MSRP for a BMW, it's not at all inflated to cover for the maintenance as some people have suggested. (The true cost is in the options). If you purchase CPO, you can opt to buy the extended maintenance which will be MUCH cheaper than if you're to pay for individual inspections and maintenance.

Anyways, here's what I drive http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nsxrd0.jpg, my car is on the right (330Ci), the gray thing in the middle is another project car that we're putting together (Pantera). If you want to see pic of my model wife or my pay stubs, I can supply those too.

 

[jjanders]

I love the smell of condescension in the morning

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: jjanders
I love the smell of condescension in the morning

Well fuck, he asked for it.

 

[ayabe]

Wait, so you spent $25K on mods with no engine work? I call shens on that.

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: ayabe
Wait, so you spent $25K on mods with no engine work? I call shens on that.

I was saving that...

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: SSSnail

Originally posted by: ayabe
Wait, so you spent $25K on mods with no engine work? I call shens on that.

I was saving that...

Iz jDm y0

 

[ayabe]

Yeah so what's the most raced up suspension you can get for a 240sx? Like $3000 maybe, roll cage, another $1000 or so.

Ok we've got 22K more to spend, someone help me out.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: ayabe
Yeah so what's the most raced up suspension you can get for a 240sx? Like $3000 maybe, roll cage, another $1000 or so.

Ok we've got 22K more to spend, someone help me out.

Please don't derail this. A BASIC coilover set will be $1200...top of line more than double...doesn't count sways, bushings, etc. I have only $150 wheels, I could easily go to $500+ a pop...if you understood you'd be able to figure it out.

The basic car in the condition I picked up mine will usually be around $10000...no mods.

There was less than 5,000 made much less for the 5spd SE I have.

 

[SSSnail]

Oh, now we're talking about "could". Let's see a pic of your car current and I'll tell you EXACTLY how much your car and mods cost.

I did warn you about getting owned.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
Yes, you're one of the "Fast and Furious" crowd, I get it. I used to do that too, and still do to some extent. As a matter of fact I used to have the same car you're driving, and that's a loooonnngggg time ago. I have a few friends that own shops that could probably help you out if you're on the right coast, the West coast. Nowadays we're just doing projects for fun, like this 400 HP Ethanol injected MR-2 http://img509.imageshack.us/my...image=mr2enginehv9.jpg (the Ethanol bottle is in the trunk). So I can probably teach you a thing or two about modding.

As for scheduled maintenance for a BMW within 4 years (this is also dependent on your driving style that it will move the schedule up or a little longer), here's what's recommended on new BMWs

Recommended between Service Intervals Intermediate oil change
15,000 Oil Service
Recommended between Service Intervals Intermediate oil change
30,000 Inspection I
Recommended between Service Intervals Intermediate oil change
45,000 Oil Service
Recommended between Service Intervals Intermediate oil change
60,000 Inspection II

That's what recommended, and I can guarantee you I will wear out some set of brake pads in that time frame. Add those up + whatever incidental maintenance will cost me a few grands easily. If you look at MSRP for a BMW, it's not at all inflated to cover for the maintenance as some people have suggested. (The true cost is in the options). If you purchase CPO, you can opt to buy the extended maintenance which will be MUCH cheaper than if you're to pay for individual inspections and maintenance.

Anyways, here's what I drive http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=nsxrd0.jpg, my car is on the right (330Ci), the gray thing in the middle is another project car that we're putting together (Pantera). If you want to see pic of my model wife or my pay stubs, I can supply those too.

So you have the entry level BMW and your friends play with cars, automatic right? Who is 'we' that you speak about building these cars? I have built a 1966 Mustang GT, a 1997 VW GTI VR6, a 1992 Acura GSR, a 1996 Bronco with a 408 stroker, my 'laughable' Saturn SC2 that was my college commuter, and then my current 240sx. I did these at home, with my tools...not dropping them off at my buddies shop. All were/are do different that a brand new car...perfect cosmetically and mechanically.

Your problem with your 'free maintenance' is you are going by BMW's inflated pricing...most would have a normal garage do those services for much less. Also all I see is oil change and inspections.

I think it's funny you call a 240sx Fast and Furious and then think an MR2 is something different.

Model wife is cool and all, I had one and divorced her.

Have fun with your pencil neck car. Guess the M3 was out of your baller league or is your model wife taking all your cash?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
Oh, now we're talking about "could". Let's see a pic of your car current and I'll tell you EXACTLY how much your car and mods cost.

I did warn you about getting owned.

http://driftkat.com/98SEmine.php

Not everything I have done to the car is listed...however; you thinking $25k is farfetched shows you probably aren't doing much of that 'we' stuff your friends have built.

And no, I don't think my car would sell for what was in it...but your 330Ci won't sell for anywhere near what you paid either.

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: ayabe
Yeah so what's the most raced up suspension you can get for a 240sx? Like $3000 maybe, roll cage, another $1000 or so.

Ok we've got 22K more to spend, someone help me out.

Please don't derail this. A BASIC coilover set will be $1200...top of line more than double...doesn't count sways, bushings, etc. I have only $150 wheels, I could easily go to $500+ a pop...if you understood you'd be able to figure it out.

The basic car in the condition I picked up mine will usually be around $10000...no mods.

There was less than 5,000 made much less for the 5spd SE I have.

If I understood what? That you're full of shit? I get that already.

You made a statement, I called you out on it, and now you're trying to say what you could spend.

I've been around the import scene, I know a bit about it, and you spending $25K on a 240 with no engine swap is pure fantasy.

 

[alkemyst]

I was off about $10k above...the number I pulled out of my head was with the 'labor'.

I am into the car + mods for about $25k.

 

[SSSnail]

So cute... The 330Ci was a good choice for me, as it's good enough, and I didn't really care for an M3 when I purchased it (I didn't really look around either as it's just something that I could drive and needed at the moment).

I too do tinker with cars (it was planes before), and I do it for fun, not out of necessity. Yes, modding is a passion, and you may have it, that's why I want to current pictures to admire and comments. You know what the big difference between that MR-2 and your 240SX? Horse power, and a lot of it. There's a difference between wanna be, and just be. Show me boost, show me aftermarket ICs, BOVs, show me anything that indicates your car is "unique" other than hanging a filter and fart can and a few pieces of fiberglass here and there then declare it "different". You know, every time I take a dump, it's always different.

The merits of me paying for maintenance is because I value my time and don't really care much for what you'd call "inflated prices". Yes, to some extent, but like I said it's not for everybody.

Your wife divorced you probably because you keep telling her that everything will get better, but it never will. You're miserable, based on your retorts. Try to look for the positive in life will ya?

At the end of the day, I'll still be driving my entry level BMW and you can go play with your top of the line 240SX.