FINALLY...Trump's doing something with which I agree...

[Leyawiin]

I remember as a kid in the 70s here in California regularly seeing border patrol buses on I-5 and Hwy 99 heading for the border with illegals they'd caught. You never see that now. You also almost never saw them doing anything but agricultural work back then. Citizens did hospitality, restaurant and home construction work. Plus teenagers could actually get summer or after school jobs. All that changed in the 90s. I'm not racist and I'm not a xenophobe, but this has gotten ridiculous.

 

[Jhhnn]

Then the practice of automatically granting US citizenship to people born here when the mother is a illegal/undocumented should be stopped.
http://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo...ld-undocumented-immigrant-become-citizen.html
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-ed-birthright-citizenship-20141026-story.html

Have at it, then. In the meanwhile, children born in America are Americans, same as it ever was.

 

[1prophet]

Will make no difference. Plus a good majority of those undocumented are harder working, truer Americans than native borns.

Harder working like the slaves back in the day so the 1% cheapo limousine liberals like yourself don't have to reach in your pocket and pay an American a living wage while you want to burden small business owners like restaurants with 15 dollar an hour minimum wage, sick days, maternity leave, etc.

 

[1prophet]

Have at it, then. In the meanwhile, children born in America are Americans, same as it ever was.

How about a deal then, let's get rid of the electoral college in exchange for getting rid of children being citizens just because they are born here, no more anchor babies no more Trumps.

 

[Jhhnn]

How about a deal then, let's get rid of the electoral college in exchange for getting rid of children being citizens just because they are born here, no more anchor babies no more Trumps.

How about a nice fantasy?

 

[Jhhnn]

Harder working like the slaves back in the day so the 1% cheapo limousine liberals like yourself don't have to reach in your pocket and pay an American a living wage while you want to burden small business owners like restaurants with 15 dollar an hour minimum wage, sick days, maternity leave, etc.

Green card holders would enjoy those same benefits.

 

[bbhaag]

This is a step in the right direction. It always starts with a few hundred but over the course of 4 years it could be in the thousands.
It makes more sense too me to go after the employers of illegals first though. Slap a big fat fine on any employer caught employing illegals and watch illegal immigration come to a halt.

 

[flexy]

"It makes more sense too me to go after the employers of illegals first though"

OH REALLY...DOH!

And: By the way, it would also make sense to go after the CEOs who move jobs and manufacturing to China and Mexico - because if they didn't, your job market wouldn't be so fucked up in the first place, you'd welcome Jose from Tijuana. (Ya know, Jose only becomes a problem when there are no or little jobs. Tip: Maybe address the ACTUAL PROBLEM, rather than looking for scapegoats.

And, by the way #2: Once you build your stupid wall, and increase your ICE agents and deport Pedro, Jose and even Jorge, your "American Jeans" are STILL stitched in Sri Lanka, your Ford Truck is STILL made in Mexico and iPhones are STILL made in Shenzhen, China. But keep believing your fairy tales the orange idiot tells you....

 

[ivwshane]

I remember as a kid in the 70s here in California regularly seeing border patrol buses on I-5 and Hwy 99 heading for the border with illegals they'd caught. You never see that now. You also almost never saw them doing anything but agricultural work back then. Citizens did hospitality, restaurant and home construction work. Plus teenagers could actually get summer or after school jobs. All that changed in the 90s. I'm not racist and I'm not a xenophobe, but this has gotten ridiculous.

You know what else changed in the nineties? The baby boomers started retiring and taking entry level jobs. Did you ever think of that?

 

[JSt0rm]

You know what else changed in the nineties? The baby boomers started retiring and taking entry level jobs. Did you ever think of that?

no. Those are hidden unemployed people not retirees. America will be great again...

 

[First]

Harder working like the slaves back in the day so the 1% cheapo limousine liberals like yourself don't have to reach in your pocket and pay an American a living wage while you want to burden small business owners like restaurants with 15 dollar an hour minimum wage, sick days, maternity leave, etc.

Wow, you sure did miss the whole point of the post, and impressively enough my follow up where I mention legalizing them would allow higher wages. But keep derping son!

 

[imported_tajmahal]

As more and more illegal immigrants get sent back, as more and more pressure is put on the hiring of illegals, as the IRS starts examining more fraudulent Social Security numbers, as the new Attorney General starts applying rising pressure on the States there's going to be an increase in not only governmental deportations, but self deportations. The beginning of the construction of a wall (I prefer calling it an aesthetic barrier) will reinforce that times have changed and stricter illegal immigration controls are incoming.

 

[flexy]

Your forget one important, if not THE most important point:
Deporting doesn't happen "for deporting sake", illegals not apprehended for "apprehending the illegals is cool" sake.
The supposed reasoning this is done that there is an alleged and supposed benefit doing so.

That Jose is being deported is not the benefit *per se*. From that point of view it's childish (and/or naive) to be pleased seeing that people get deported. It's indeed 100% and absolutely meaningless by itself.

You will (hopefully!) know why they are deported. Or at least you think you know since this is what you're told. It's that deporting (or preventing them from coming in the first place) will boost the economy (because...jobs)...and that this ultimately will BENEFIT YOU.

I however pointed out that it will in all likelihood not benefit YOU, no matter whether hundreds or thousands are apprehended/deported. Because it's hideously ineffective and addressing the problem from the wrong end, since "Jose didn't take your jobs" <--- SOMEONE ELSE DID. Is this so difficult to grasp?

And whether those who are responsible, say CEOs who outsource..and also those who are hiring illegals are "put pressure on", I highly doubt this. You're just assuming something. I don't see this. Instead I see Trump wanting to get rid of even the last remaining regulations. Hey, it's fucking Trump himself who hired illegals and buys steel from China. And you think the dude will "put pressure on" on these folks, the guys who voted for him? Wishful thinking!

Nevertheless, come back in 3,4, 5 years..and then let's see the real "benefit" for you that it brought you that X numbers had been detained and deported. (Of course, substract the $20-$30B that it will cost to build the wall which will also likelly come out of your pocket). THEN show us your payslip, or your unemployment statistics, because I would be very eager to see them...and show us how the deportations actually benefited the economy and ultimately yourself.

AS FOR NOW...all you get is a "nice fuzzy feeling" because it makes you "feel good" when illegals are being deported...and this is ALL.YOU.HAVE. A "nice, satisfying" feeling in your stomach which isn't worth a dime.

 

[Svnla]

American citizen children don't get to pick their parents, either.

And we are back to the core of the matter, why those families are being broken up. Because of the parents own ILLEGAL activities/actions. If they follow the rules and laws in the first place, they would not be deported. As I said before, they reap what they sow. Period.

About amnesty, it is unjust, unfair, and immoral because it favors those who broke our laws over those standing in line at embassies and waiting for years and years and hoping to immigrate legally. Why should we reward ILLEGALS for breaking immigration rules and laws over those that want to do the right thing? Where are the "equality" and "fairness" chantings from liberals?

Enough is enough.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Next thing we need to is start deporting all those illegal Canadians.

 

[BoomerD]

Next thing we need to is start deporting all those illegal Canadians.

And the Irish...my gawd, do NOT forget the Irish. and the dutch. We can't be having them leave their terrerest wooden shoes all over the place...

 

[IronWing]

And the Irish...my gawd, do NOT forget the Irish. and the dutch. We can't be having them leave their terrerest wooden shoes all over the place...

The Dutch are wily bastards. They designed a door that won't hit their butts on the way out.

 

[mect]

dammit.

As for the farmers who depend on "cheap" labor, why not set up a "Guest Worker" program that allows pre-screened immigrants to come to this country and work the season, then go home?

As an incentive to leave when they're supposed to leave, hold 50% of their wages in an interest bearing account that can ONLY be accessed in person from their home country.

The US government tried something similar in the 50's called the "Bracero Program," but it was poorly implemented and many/most of the workers got screwed out of the money that was held. THAT would have to be fixed.

So you want them spending money earned in America back in their home country? How is that good for our economy?

 

[Jhhnn]

The beginning of the construction of a wall (I prefer calling it an aesthetic barrier) will reinforce that times have changed and stricter illegal immigration controls are incoming.

So, for honest purposes it's a waste of time, effort & money, like bunkers in Albania.

But it would feel good to Trumpsters to have it. Cuz icky brown people are stealing the jobs they won't take.

 

[JSt0rm]

So, for honest purposes it's a waste of time, effort & money, like bunkers in Albania.

But it would feel good to Trumpsters to have it. Cuz icky brown people are stealing the jobs they won't take.

What they really want to do is try to stop brown people from making babies in america. They see future dem voters and its unwinnable. For some reason they think they can deport the problem. Its understandable from the simpletons point of view. What happens if people of color treat a white minority as bad as a white majority treated colored minorities? Thats the real driving fear here.

 

[crashtech]

That old "jobs that Americans won't do" canard, so tired, worn and false. Even sources that are pro-immigration realize this. I had to reference an old article because published narratives undergo dramatic shifts depending upon perceived needs, like, oh, who's running for President, etc.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox...h_but_a_close_approximation_to_the_truth.html

Has anyone talked about remittances? That's a 27 billion dollars leaving the US economy in 2016 alone. Reducing numbers of immigrants who don't intend to put down roots here could yield a benefit that isn't easy to quantify.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/remittances-to-mexico-hit-record-27-billion-in-2016-1485978810

Thirdly, I think any remaining animus some groups of our population have against immigrants has far more to do with lack of assimilation than physical appearance. It's not fashionable now to insist that immigrants adopt the customs and language of their host country, though it could be seen as reasonable reciprocity for our hospitality. But that would actually increase our cohesiveness as a nation, and if there is one thing that is universally reviled by those so-much-smarter-than-you kind of people, it's any hint of patriotism; it's simply no longer allowed.

 

[JSt0rm]

Thirdly, I think any remaining animus some groups of our population have against immigrants has far more to do with lack of assimilation than physical appearance. It's not fashionable now to insist that immigrants adopt the customs and language of their host country, though it could be seen as reasonable reciprocity for our hospitality. But that would actually increase our cohesiveness as a nation, and if there is one thing that is universally reviled by those so-much-smarter-than-you kind of people, it's any hint of patriotism; it's simply no longer allowed.

but they do. Its actually the most amazing thing about the American experiment. Within 1 generation those kids are decidedly american. Its a wonderful thing to see and I'm sure you have friends whose parents came to America. Do they not seem assimilated to you?

 

[JSt0rm]

Next thing we need to is start deporting all those illegal Canadians.

^ now that I know its a parody account its brilliant.

 

[jackstar7]

Can anyone see through all this straw flying around?

 

[pauldun170]

Time machine time

2016
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-deportation-exclusive-idUSKCN0Y32J1
http://immigrationimpact.com/2016/08/11/immigration-raids-lawsuit/

2015
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/report-u-s-planning-immigration-raids-in-early-january/
http://www.inquisitr.com/2658621/obama-administration-immigration-raids-deport-families-2016/
2013
http://americasvoice.org/blog/223-i...ing-massive-ice-immigration-raids-in-arizona/
2012
http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/40-Arrested-in-Immigration-Raid-141026783.html
2011
http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jan/27/nation/la-na-immigration-raids-20110127
2010
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/10/us/10enforce.html
2008
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/17/AR2008051702474.html