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FINALLY...Trump's doing something with which I agree...

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I think the problem is illegal immgrants think they have the "right" to be here because they have a hard life while other people who following the law wait a long time. How fair is that? Also, is there any other first world country that don;t kick out and deport people who enter illegally?
 
Grooveriding said:
Good way to deal with the problem is putting the legal citizens to work on the jobs the illegal immigrants are doing. Just have to convince them of the reality that their citizenship does not entitle them to good paying jobs. If they have no viable skills beyond doing jobs that you could train anyone to do in a few days of repetition on the factory line, scrubbing toilets or picking fruit - they shouldn't expect the moon.

No need for import taxes or corporate handouts to give them salaries that aren't supported by the free market. If they want better for themselves, let them grab ye olde bootstraps.
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Is there a lot of overlap? I think the problem with this is you would need to convince people to move out of rural America.
 
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Grooveriding said:
Good way to deal with the problem is putting the legal citizens to work on the jobs the illegal immigrants are doing. Just have to convince them of the reality that their citizenship does not entitle them to good paying jobs. If they have no viable skills beyond doing jobs that you could train anyone to do in a few days of repetition on the factory line, scrubbing toilets or picking fruit - they shouldn't expect the moon.

No need for import taxes or corporate handouts to give them salaries that aren't supported by the free market. If they want better for themselves, let them grab ye olde bootstraps.
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You just wait - pretty soon thousands of "good paying" coal mining jobs will be coming back. Also don't forget the thousands upon thousands of jobs that will come from DAPL and Keystone XL. Making EPA weaker will help too as companies and their CEOs will not be hamstrung and will be able to start major capital projects providing jobs to all their communities.

/s
 
crashtech said:
It's good to enforce the law if that is the will of the people. Fear of dealing with law enforcement will cause many more than were detained to self-deport.
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You can shit can that idea realizing that more people voted against Trump than for him.
 
Caesar said:
You just wait - pretty soon thousands of "good paying" coal mining jobs will be coming back. Also don't forget the thousands upon thousands of jobs that will come from DAPL and Keystone XL. Making EPA weaker will help too as companies and their CEOs will not be hamstrung and will be able to start major capital projects providing jobs to all their communities.

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Or the 7 billion dollar Intel fab announced last year that Trump himself is responsible for. All that uber expensive manufacturing equipment from Holland will be hard at work. The rust belt factory workers with best in class EE degrees and experience they have on the side will be in there making six figures in no time.
 
crashtech said:
I don't think you can honestly disagree that most Americans want the law enforced.
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It's your assertion to substantiate. Have at it.

I don't think that most Americans want the breadwinners for American children to be deported. I don't think most Americans want illegals who've been here & worked for years to be deported, either. ~2/3 of all illegals have been here more than 10 years & proved themselves worthy of residency regardless of the paperwork.
 
Jhhnn said:
It's your assertion to substantiate. Have at it.

I don't think that most Americans want the breadwinners for American children to be deported. I don't think most Americans want illegals who've been here & worked for years to be deported, either. ~2/3 of all illegals have been here more than 10 years & proved themselves worthy of residency regardless of the paperwork.
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It's been shown that providing proof only hardens your opposition, and besides, I don't care that much. I'm just here to be a dissenter and an abstainer from circle jerk echo chamber you guys have going in here.
 
Again, why no one is raising the question of why even bother to have immigration rules and laws if we (as a sovereign nation) are not enforcing those rules?

ILLEGALS break immigration rules and laws, so stop whining about "broken families". You reap what you sow, ILLEGALS. You don't get to pick which rule and law to follow.
 
crashtech said:
It's been shown that providing proof only hardens your opposition, and besides, I don't care that much. I'm just here to be a dissenter and an abstainer from circle jerk echo chamber you guys have going in here.
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Here's some proof to harden your opposition-

Currently, 75% of the public says that undocumented immigrants now living in the U.S. should be allowed to stay legally if certain requirements are met, while 23% say they should not.
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http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ed-by-widening-partisan-generational-divides/
 
Svnla said:
Again, why no one is raising the question of why even bother to have immigration rules and laws if we (as a sovereign nation) are not enforcing those rules?

ILLEGALS break immigration rules and laws, so stop whining about "broken families". You reap what you sow, ILLEGALS. You don't get to pick which rule and law to follow.
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American citizen children don't get to pick their parents, either.
 
Most of the legal immigrants I know support deportations of illegal immigrants. They feel the illegal immigrants should go through the same process they did to enter the US.
 
Londo_Jowo said:
Most of the legal immigrants I know support deportations of illegal immigrants. They feel the illegal immigrants should go through the same process they did to enter the US.
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Maybe thousands of employers shouldn't be hiring them. But many do, and rely upon them for work. Maybe said employers shouldn't be hiring illegal immigrants and making this all possible. Cause without them, there would be no illegal immigration. Maybe they should be more mad that illegal employers should go through the same process as countless legal employers.
 
crashtech said:
Employers who knowingly hire illegals should be led away in handcuffs, I agree.
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While I agree with this whole-heartedly, the problem comes down to...which person do you arrest and charge? The CEO who turns a blind eye to the hiring of illegal immigrants, or the HR drone who hires them because he's told to ignore their immigration status? (or both)

SKORPI0 said:
Then the practice of automatically granting US citizenship to people born here when the mother is a illegal/undocumented should be stopped.
http://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo...ld-undocumented-immigrant-become-citizen.html
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-ed-birthright-citizenship-20141026-story.html
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I agree with this as well.
 
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dammit.

As for the farmers who depend on "cheap" labor, why not set up a "Guest Worker" program that allows pre-screened immigrants to come to this country and work the season, then go home?

As an incentive to leave when they're supposed to leave, hold 50% of their wages in an interest bearing account that can ONLY be accessed in person from their home country.

The US government tried something similar in the 50's called the "Bracero Program," but it was poorly implemented and many/most of the workers got screwed out of the money that was held. THAT would have to be fixed.
 
MongGrel said:
Trump would be near the top of that list.
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Perhaps so (haven't seen proof), but if there is one thing I have learned in my life is that politicians are above their own laws, so if your accusation is true, it's too late, and it doesn't matter now.
 
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