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FINALLY...Trump's doing something with which I agree...

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/hundreds-immigrants-arrested-routine-u-enforcement-surge-023405919.html

U.S. federal immigration agents arrested hundreds of undocumented immigrants in at least four states this week in what officials on Friday called routine enforcement actions.

Reports of immigration sweeps this week sparked concern among immigration advocates and families, coming on the heels of President Donald Trump's executive order barring refugees and immigrants from seven majority-Muslim nations. That order is currently on hold.

"The fear coursing through immigrant homes and the native-born Americans who love immigrants as friends and family is palpable," Ali Noorani, executive director of the National Immigration Forum, said in a statement. "Reports of raids in immigrant communities are a grave concern."

The enforcement actions took place in Atlanta, New York, Chicago, Los Angeles and surrounding areas, said David Marin, director of enforcement and removal for the Los Angeles field office of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Only five of 161 people arrested in Southern California would not have been enforcement priorities under the Obama administration, he said.

The agency did not release a total number of detainees. The Atlanta office, which covers three states, arrested 200 people, Bryan Cox, a spokesman for the office, said. The 161 arrests in the Los Angeles area were made in a region that included seven highly populated counties, Marin said.

Marin called the five-day operation an "enforcement surge."

In a conference call with reporters, he said that such actions were routine, pointing to one last summer in Los Angeles under former President Barack Obama.

"The rash of these recent reports about ICE checkpoints and random sweeps, that’s all false and that’s dangerous and irresponsible," Marin said. "Reports like that create a panic.”

He said that of the people arrested in Southern California, only 10 did not have criminal records. Of those, five had prior deportation orders.

Michael Kagan, a professor of immigration law at the University of Nevada at Las Vegas, said immigration advocates are concerned that the arrests could signal the beginning of more aggressive enforcement and increased deportations under Trump.

"It sounds as if the majority are people who would have been priorities under Obama as well," Kagan said in a telephone interview. "But the others may indicate the first edge of a new wave of arrests and deportations."

Trump recently broadened the categories of people who could be targeted for immigration enforcement to anyone who had been charged with a crime, removing an Obama-era exception for people convicted of traffic misdemeanors, Kagan said.
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For these particular people yes, but what we will find is that that Trump's super charged rhetoric will inspire the worst suspicions of motive, cause panic and confrontation, and will end up rather ineffective.

Eg. His Muslim not-a-ban Ban to fight terrorism
 
The important part was that of 161 people arrested, only 5 wouldn't have been under the criteria Obama used. So for all his bluster, he's increasing Obama's (already prodigious) extradition rate by 3%. He calls a 3% bump a war on immigration?

What a fraud.
 
Seems very police state-ish. I will reserve judgement for now, but the idea of kicking down doors, taking mom and pop away with 12 year olds in the background with no one to turn to watching aghast seems wrong to me.

If these people are dangerous felons that have committed crimes as tried by the US legal system, why aren't they in prison already?
 
Personally I'd prefer he first secure the border. Don't see much point in deporting people when they can simply walk right back in. Once we've secured the border, then we should concentrate on who needs to get thrown out and who should be allowed to stay (after paying all back taxes and such penalties as the rest of us would have to pay.) Assuming Trump can reverse the current situation making it more profitable to outsource and off-shore production, those people can be an asset.
 
Will make no difference. Plus a good majority of those undocumented are harder working, truer Americans than native borns.
 
we have over 1 million illegals in la county. And trump wants to not give us our due monies because we dont use our police force to round them all up. And the feds get a couple hundred in a day. lol.

so dumb.
 
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Will make no difference. Plus a good majority of those undocumented are harder working, truer Americans than native borns.
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Yeah. They arent asking for hand outs in the form of tariffs so they can drill holes in metal for 70k a year.
 
It's good to enforce the law if that is the will of the people. Fear of dealing with law enforcement will cause many more than were detained to self-deport.
 
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Will make no difference. Plus a good majority of those undocumented are harder working, truer Americans than native borns.
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This bring up a good point. I live in an area with a ton of illegal immigrants and they all seem to be working 2 or 3 jobs. They also start working at teen to help put food on the table. If you really want to stop illegal immigration should you target supply or cut off the demand? Should we go after the hard working people coming here for a better life or the people exploiting them?
 
Good way to deal with the problem is putting the legal citizens to work on the jobs the illegal immigrants are doing. Just have to convince them of the reality that their citizenship does not entitle them to good paying jobs. If they have no viable skills beyond doing jobs that you could train anyone to do in a few days of repetition on the factory line, scrubbing toilets or picking fruit - they shouldn't expect the moon.

No need for import taxes or corporate handouts to give them salaries that aren't supported by the free market. If they want better for themselves, let them grab ye olde bootstraps.
 
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This bring up a good point. I live in an area with a ton of illegal immigrants and they all seem to be working 2 or 3 jobs. They also start working at teen to help put food on the table. If you really want to stop illegal immigration should you target supply or cut off the demand? Should we go after the hard working people coming here for a better life or the people exploiting them?
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The only thing wrong with illegal immigration from a public policy perspective is that we're obviously not able to tax it fairly i.e. at the same rate as other hard working native born Americans. But the solution isn't to deport, that actually has a demonstrably negative fiscal impact to local/state/fed gov'ts. The solution is to legalize them so they can be taxed, and of course it helps them tremendously in terms of being able to demand higher wages, better working conditions and eventually collect their earned entitlements they pay into through payroll taxes.
 
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The only thing wrong with illegal immigration from a public policy perspective is that we're obviously not able to tax it fairly i.e. at the same rate as other hard working native born Americans. But the solution isn't to deport, that actually has a demonstrably negative fiscal impact to local/state/fed gov'ts. The solution is to legalize them so they can be taxed, and of course it helps them tremendously in terms of being able to demand higher wages, better working conditions and eventually collect their earned entitlements they pay into through payroll taxes.
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I have always assumed this but haven’t done the research to back my option up.
 
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