Finally the 5830 is comming Jan 25 (updated)

[SlowSpyder]

IF ATI releases HD5830 for $200 I think we will start to see more realistic pricing on HD57xx.

1280 or even 1120 stream processors on a 256 bit bus would be a big improvement over the current 128 bit midrange offerings.

AMD really needs this part I would think, there is a lot of room in both pricing and performance between the 5770 and 5850.

 

[RaistlinZ]

I wonder if dual 5830's in Crossfire for ~$400 would outperform a single 5870 for the same price. I also wonder if they would use much more power than a 5870.

If the only thing they change with the 5830 is the clock and memory speed it would be a sweet deal at $199.99. I've been looking for something affordable to replace my 8800GT, and I'm not impressed with the 5770 regardless of what it's priced at.

 

[MrK6]

Would be a great part, as mentioned, considering the performance delta between the 5770 and 5850. Of course, the details of design (256-bit?), performance, power consumption, and price will need to be revealed before one can determine how great such a card will be.

 

[crisium]

5770 Crossfire is equal to 5870 average FPS, only falling behind in minimum frames. 5830 would certainly be much faster, and hopefully with better minimums thanks to 256-bit.

 

[exar333]

Kind of a worthless product IMHO at a $199 price point; it essentially replaces the 4890 for the same price, and would have similar performance. Is progress really having a cut-down GPU, for the same price and performance as the previous gen?

Price this at $150-175 and it would make more sense.

 

[crisium]

While performance is a guess at this point, let's say it is 4890 equivalent. It has better power consumption, DX11, Eyefinity. 4890 is powerful enough to max out virtually anything 1680 and below, and usually 1920 as well. Why complain about that much performance? The 5830 wouldn't be made as an upgrade for 4890 users. Neither was the 5850. If you are unhappy with 4890 performance get a 5870 or even 5970.

How does $150-175 make sense? Have you checked video card prices recently? A 4870 is $175. A GTX 260 is more expensive. Radeon 5770 falls into that price range. 4890 is $190+. A 5830 will be $200 minimum. It should cost more than the 4890 because of the features.

 

[exar333]

While performance is a guess at this point, let's say it is 4890 equivalent. It has better power consumption, DX11, Eyefinity. 4890 is powerful enough to max out virtually anything 1680 and below, and usually 1920 as well. Why complain about that much performance? The 5830 wouldn't be made as an upgrade for 4890 users. Neither was the 5850. If you are unhappy with 4890 performance get a 5870 or even 5970.

How does $150-175 make sense? Have you checked video card prices recently? A 4870 is $175. A GTX 260 is more expensive. Radeon 5770 falls into that price range. 4890 is $190+. A 5830 will be $200 minimum. It should cost more than the 4890 because of the features.

DX11 and eyefinity are not worth any significant price increases IMHO.

If every feature and new generation justified a price increase from the previous generation, the current GPUs would be astronomical.

$200 for a glorified 4890 is a rip-off. Plain and simple.

 

[yacoub]

Right. Generally we've seen each recent generation or two gives you 1.5x to 2x the performance for the same price as the previous gen parts.

 

[crisium]

If a 4890 is $190 then a 4890 with DX11, lower power, eyefin, at $200 is not a significant price increase. That's barely 5% more, jesus.

How would a 5830 being 4890 performance not make sense? Let's go back to early summer 2008.

Top single-GPU performers on the market:
1. 9800GTX
2. 8800GT
3. 9600GT / 3870

ATi's new top 3 compared to last gen
1. 4870 (faster than all the rest)
2. 4850 (generally a tiny bit faster than 9800GTX, but in the same performance catagory)
3. 4830 (8800GT performance, faster than 3870)

2009/2010 best before current gen:

1.GTX 285
2.GTX 275 / 4890
3. GTX 260 / 4870

New Gen response:

1. 5870 (faster than all)
2. 5850 (generally a tiny bit faster than GTX 285, but in the same performance catagory)
3. 5830 (GTX 275 / 4890 performance, faster than 4870).

It's the same thing. It's just that ATi couldn't compete with the 8800GT in the old gen. The 4830 wasn't made for people who had 8800s or 3870s. Neither would the 5830 be for people with GTX's or 4870s.

It makes perfect sense as compared to what we saw last time.

As for the prices? GTX 275 is well over $200 and would be the same performance. These are acceptable prices for ATi being the only company in the new generation. Or did $650 GTX 280 and $450 GTX 260 Core 192 "gives you 1.5x to 2x the performance for the same price as the previous gen parts"?? Pretty sure no old-gen GPU was close to $400 at that point.

It takes time before they get down to old gen price level. 5830 would be GTX 280 performance, so for $200 it's a lot less than when the 280 launched (even the "new" price after the 4870 launch was still $500).

 

[MrK6]

They would have to seriously cripple the 5830 core for it to get down to 4890 performance. Even then it wouldn't matter because it would probably be an overclocking monster. When all is said and done, for $200 it would be an absolute steal.

 

[Xcobra]

Right. Generally we've seen each recent generation or two gives you 1.5x to 2x the performance for the same price as the previous gen parts.

You have to think about this: the 4890 was previous gen high end card. The 5830 will be the semi-mainstream/mid end card. For a mainstream card to have the same performance as a previous-gen high-end card is pretty decent for me and also, it's not a fair comparison as they both of these cards are intended for a different customer base. No complaints here.

 

[SpacemanSpiffVT]

gah, maybe shoulda waited for this instead of getting of a 5770..

ah well perhaps i will just CF 2 5770s when they get really cheap

 

[Tab]

How does $150-175 make sense? Have you checked video card prices recently? A 4870 is $175. A GTX 260 is more expensive. Radeon 5770 falls into that price range. 4890 is $190+. A 5830 will be $200 minimum. It should cost more than the 4890 because of the features.

A lot and I mean there a very few places that are still selling it online. It's out of stock practically everywhere or not at reasonable prices.

I really don't understand what they're trying to accomplish with the 5830 unless it's some kind of non-gaming card. What price point does it fit into without killing the 5770?

 

[edplayer]

I really don't understand what they're trying to accomplish with the 5830 unless it's some kind of non-gaming card.

It will probably me marketed as a videocard designed for people who want better performance from Internet Explorer

 

[Tab]

It will probably me marketed as a videocard designed for people who want better performance from Internet Explorer

Doesn't answer my question really... Doesn't this make the 5700 family pointless?

 

[edplayer]

Why would it?

If this card were to come out, I assume that it would be in between the 5770 and 5850 (in pricing). If ATi thinks that the price of the 5770 is too close to the (supposed) 5830, they could lower the price.

 

[RaistlinZ]

Doesn't answer my question really... Doesn't this make the 5700 family pointless?

How can it be pointles? You can get a 5770 from Newegg for like $170.00 but if you want the next higher card up the ATI food chain you have to spend $300.00 for a 5850. That's a huge hole that ATI needs to fill. A 5830 would fit perfectly in between in terms of price and performance.

It makes sense for people with older video cards who would have had to choose between a 5770 or 4890. For many people the $300.00 price point of the 5850 is just too high for their budget.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

A lot and I mean there a very few places that are still selling it online. It's out of stock practically everywhere or not at reasonable prices.

I really don't understand what they're trying to accomplish with the 5830 unless it's some kind of non-gaming card. What price point does it fit into without killing the 5770?

anywhere from $200-250

 

[PingviN]

There is a hole in need of filling between HD5770 and HD5850, and I'm sure AMD is phasing out their HD48**-cards as we speak, as they are better off only producing Cypress and Juniper. At $200, HD5830 would be a good choice; a more power-efficient, DirectX 11-compatible HD4890, well, I can't complain about that.

For those wishing lower prices, well, it's really up to Nvidia. As it is, cards from AMD costs less while performing better, there is no reason for AMD to cut prices untill Nvidia starts competing all over the board.

 

[edplayer]

$239 says fudzilla

January 25th

 

[MrK6]

$239 says fudzilla

January 25th

Higher than we would want, but considering the lack of competition, it's expected. If the card is at least faster than an HD4890, that's a reasonable price.

 

[GaiaHunter]

Higher than we would want, but considering the lack of competition, it's expected. If the card is at least faster than an HD4890, that's a reasonable price.

Well they need to have space to drop prices when NVIDIA finally gets Fermi out.

For the consumer only when NVIDIA deliver real competition will we have attractive prices.

 

[fffblackmage]

$239 says fudzilla

January 25th

Bleh, if it's gonna be about that much, I might as well just go with the 5850....

 

[happy medium]

For whats its worth I just came accross these specs ..... 5830....... 1280 sp's?
(Scroll down some)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar...ocessing_units#Evergreen_.28HD_5xxx.29_series

 

[mikek753]

5830 has the same chip as 5850/5870 - just clocked down with memory and disabled ROPs - isn't it?
from ATI side this chip would cost the same - isn't it? same size and transistor count.
ether those "damaged" 5850/70 chips or ?
anyway - I don't see that ATI can price those much cheaper then 5850
and if ATI can lower this chip price for 5830 than 5850 prices could go down as well, whenever NV will deliver or not below $200 point - IMHO.