Finally, Stop and Frisk ends

[SheHateMe]

I'd prefer that police not expend any resources in majority black areas at all. So long as blacks mainly continue to target each other then by all means halt any attempts to profile and stop-and-frisk.

Do you people not know how ridiculous you sound when you make generalizations about an entire race group?

Do you think its fair to make such statements about a group of people?

 

[Patranus]

Do you people not know how ridiculous you sound when you make generalizations about an entire race group?

Do you think its fair to make such statements about a group of people?

Minorities make up 30% of the population yet make up 60% of the prison population.

One in 3 black men will go to jail.

Yes. Until you clean up your communities it is perfectly fair to make such generalizations.

Its called evolution. You make assumptions/prejudices as a survival mechanism.

Eat the red insect.....get sick
Eat the red insect.....get stick
Eat the red insect.....get stick

You probably not going to eat the red insect again.

Are all red insects going to make you sick? Probably not. But it would be a perfectly 'fair' prejudice to form against red insects.

It really has nothing to do with black people rather black culture. There are certain sects of which culture which are clearly (as a generality) a detriment to society.

Probably up to no good....

Probably not up to no good....

Probably up to no good....

Probably not up to no good....

 

[fskimospy]

Actually, if I were a New Yorker (which I would never, ever be) then I'd prefer that police not expend any resources in majority black areas at all. So long as blacks mainly continue to target each other then by all means halt any attempts to profile and stop-and-frisk.

Trust me, you couldn't hack it here anyway.

Also, what an incredibly disgusting post. I will never understand why blatant racism of this sort is tolerated on ATPN.

 

[HomerJS]

Probably not up to no good....

Probably up to no good....

You scuttle your own argument since these two have an equal chance of being harassed by law enforcement.

Since a 50 year old white males represent the profile of the Wall Street banksters who wrecked our economy and thousands of lives through fruad how long to you think stop and frisk would last if police routinly waited outside these firms and executed patdowns??

 

[TerryMathews]

You scuttle your own argument since these two have an equal chance of being harassed by law enforcement.

Since a 50 year old white males represent the profile of the Wall Street banksters who wrecked our economy and thousands of lives through fruad how long to you think stop and frisk would last if police routinly waited outside these firms and executed patdowns??

Orly? Picture 2 is of a white man. The story here is that stop and frisk was targeting African Americans due to crime statistics.

If they were targeting white thugs as well, likely this method of policing would have complied with Terry v. Ohio.

So, no Homer, you are wrong.

 

[glenn1]

Trust me, you couldn't hack it here anyway.

Also, what an incredibly disgusting post. I will never understand why blatant racism of this sort is tolerated on ATPN.

Yeah, I guess that leaves all the more New York for all you special people who can "hack it" to enjoy.

 

[fskimospy]

Yeah, I guess that leaves all the more New York for all you special people who can "hack it" to enjoy.

Hey, if it's one less person who thinks that the police shouldn't commit resources to an area so all the black people can kill each other I welcome your absence.

 

[Thebobo]

I dont understand how any of this is legal. Forget profileing. If I am sitting on a park bench minding my own buisness a cop can ask for ID, detaine me and frisk me and thats legal? What the hell county is this?

 

[Linux23]

It's nice to see the resident ATPN racists come out and make their ignorant racist and uninformed arguments.

 

[SheHateMe]

I dont understand how any of this is legal. Forget profileing. If I am sitting on a park bench minding my own buisness a cop can ask for ID, detaine me and frisk me and thats legal? What the hell county is this?

If you fit the description of a young black or latino male, you have no right to complain. You are up to no good regardless of what you are doing or wearing.

It's nice to see the resident ATPN racists come out and make their ignorant racist and uninformed arguments.

Because I am pretty sure the mods don't give a shit. This isn't discussion club, so who cares. Thats the reality of P&N.

 

[zsdersw]

Probably up to no good....

Probably not up to no good....

Probably up to no good....

Probably not up to no good....

Ah, so white-collar crimes don't matter... and even though being dressed in a suit is something that people in organized crime do a lot, we should assume they're not up to no good.

wow, you're stupid.

 

[zsdersw]

Probably up to no good....

^^^ Probably selling/using crack...

Probably not up to no good....

^^^ Probably selling/using cocaine...

 

[werepossum]

You scuttle your own argument since these two have an equal chance of being harassed by law enforcement.

Since a 50 year old white males represent the profile of the Wall Street banksters who wrecked our economy and thousands of lives through fruad how long to you think stop and frisk would last if police routinly waited outside these firms and executed patdowns??

I seriously doubt that a black man in a nice suit and a black man in a ratty hoodie with the hood up in 90 degree weather have the same chance of being harassed by law enforcement. Nonetheless, I support the judge's ruling because the criteria used for stop and frisk should add up to evidence of a crime, not merely a statistically greater chance of committing a crime.

I'd also like to know the success rates of stop and frisk - not merely the racial makeup of those stopped, but how often criminals are actually caught. I'm betting it is fairly low and that the main value is in deterrence. And while I'm all for deterrence in principle, it must be secondary to our Constitutional rights. There is after all a reason the Founding Fathers did not set up a police state, which is the greatest in deterrence.

 

[fskimospy]

I seriously doubt that a black man in a nice suit and a black man in a ratty hoodie with the hood up in 90 degree weather have the same chance of being harassed by law enforcement. Nonetheless, I support the judge's ruling because the criteria used for stop and frisk should add up to evidence of a crime, not merely a statistically greater chance of committing a crime.

I'd also like to know the success rates of stop and frisk - not merely the racial makeup of those stopped, but how often criminals are actually caught. I'm betting it is fairly low and that the main value is in deterrence. And while I'm all for deterrence in principle, it must be secondary to our Constitutional rights. There is after all a reason the Founding Fathers did not set up a police state, which is the greatest in deterrence.

Approximately 90% of all 'stop and frisk' stops do not result in an arrest.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

So whats the verdict on this? The judge hasn't repealed this by any means.

Also I'm still wondering - how the hell did this pass in the liberal mecca NYC of all places?

Personally as a decently hardcore conservative, regardless of being able to have a high probability of profiling correctly (regardless of race, age, gender, etc..) and regardless of the success %, I still stand by our rights and say stop and frisk is against our core values as citizen rights.

 

[werepossum]

Approximately 90% of all 'stop and frisk' stops do not result in an arrest.

Wow. A 9:1 wrongful search record is pretty sad.

 

[fskimospy]

Wow. A 9:1 wrongful search record is pretty sad.

Yeap. I really suggest reading the judge's opinion, or at least excerpts from it. It's a pretty horrendous practice.

 

[Patranus]

You scuttle your own argument since these two have an equal chance of being harassed by law enforcement.

Since a 50 year old white males represent the profile of the Wall Street banksters who wrecked our economy and thousands of lives through fruad how long to you think stop and frisk would last if police routinly waited outside these firms and executed patdowns??

Pretty sure any alleged crime committed on Wall Street would be related to federal regulations pertaining to investments it isn't up to the NYPD to enforce such laws.

 

[BoberFett]

I believe that practically all stop & frisks are unconstitutional, though I'm sure there are some cases that aren't. I.e., a robbery just reported and a person matches the description.

In the case of being the same skin color as an alleged robber, it's not so much a stop and frisk situation as a stop and beatdown situation, though I'm sure Don Vito could tell me more about that...

 

[BoberFett]

You scuttle your own argument since these two have an equal chance of being harassed by law enforcement.

Since a 50 year old white males represent the profile of the Wall Street banksters who wrecked our economy and thousands of lives through fruad how long to you think stop and frisk would last if police routinly waited outside these firms and executed patdowns??

What is a patdown of a Wall Street executive going to result in? Do they carry their ill gotten billions on their person?

 

[BoberFett]

Wow. A 9:1 wrongful search record is pretty sad.

Which means it should be scrapped entirely, not adjusted.

 

[marincounty]

Why is that righties only care about the second amendment? Being searched on the street for no reason would seem to be pretty abusive and unconstitutional practice, yet here are righties supporting it. Big govt anyone?

 

[NikolaeVarius]

What is a patdown of a Wall Street executive going to result in? Do they carry their ill gotten billions on their person?

From what I've heard from having a friend who interns for some high level execs, some pretty awesome cocaine and other high class drugs.

 

[Fern]

Why is that righties only care about the second amendment? Being searched on the street for no reason would seem to be pretty abusive and unconstitutional practice, yet here are righties supporting it. Big govt anyone?

If you haven't noticed plenty care about the 4th, e.g., domestic spying.

Why is it that liberals want to take the guns away from law abiding people but get up in arms when it's police trying to take guns from a minority with an illegal gun? (From what I've been told it's damn near impossible to legally own a gun in NYC, and particularly so with a concealed carry permit.)

I'm ambivalent NYC's stop and frisk program. On the one hand people are always saying that SOMETHING must be done about the violence in minority communities. Too many shootings and too much drugs dealings etc. I've seen people from those communities, usually elderly black people expressing how happy they are that the police are doing something, something to stop the kids from killed and making the neighborhood safer. OTOH, you just can't go around violating the 4th because it's convenient or expedient to do so.

Also - it may be that the 90% rate is actually a sign of how successful the program is. Possession of guns and drugs may have dropped as a result of the program. The fear of getting caught tends to do that.

Fern

 

[TerryMathews]

Why is that righties only care about the second amendment? Being searched on the street for no reason would seem to be pretty abusive and unconstitutional practice, yet here are righties supporting it. Big govt anyone?

It does. It seems every bit as intrusive as the government searching every bit of mine they can get their hands on, on the Internet.

Let's end both and call it a day ok? Domestic spying is a disgusting abuse of power.

This is a change I don't believe in.