Finally... More Young Americans Who 'Believe' in Evolution Than Creationism

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Yakk

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Just one of those things that made me wonder in disbelief... Better late than never I suppose... 51% of Americans now "believe" in the theory of evolution!

Wonder what Darwin and his predecessors would think about that...

http://www.sciencealert.com/finally...ans-who-believe-in-evolution-than-creationism

There’s been a long-standing divide between Americans who believe in evolution, and those who think God created humans just as they are. But a recent poll has shown that 51 percent of American adults under the age of 30 now claim to believe purely in secular evolution, which means evolution independent of any divine power – a jump from 40 percent back in 2009, when the research began.
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And... Article poll source link... http://www.pewinternet.org/2015/07/01/chapter-4-evolution-and-perceptions-of-scientific-consensus/
 
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Those results are hardly anything to get excited about. Only 35% of all Americans believe in evolution as a naturalistic process. At least a bare majority of the under 30's believe the science.
 
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bradly1101 said:
Still, an alarming number believe that evolution is untrue. Could birth rates in different regions play a role?
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But it's the same role. The Jesus freak states reproduce at a higher rate than slightly more intelligent states, so they would certainly inflate the number of people who don't believe in evolution. But if evolution is gaining faster than creationism it means that enough people are escaping the region they're born in and are managing to grow a brain.
 
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GagHalfrunt said:
But it's the same role. The Jesus freak states reproduce at a higher rate than slightly more intelligent states, so they would certainly inflate the number of people who don't believe in evolution. But if evolution is gaining faster than creationism it means that enough people are escaping the region they're born in and are managing to grow a brain.
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Finally some peace!
 
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Chaotic42 said:
I'm surprised this isn't more common. I've discussed the idea with friends who believe in in-situ creationism and have never gotten a good answer as to why God couldn't use evolution, the Big Bang, particle physics, etc, to create the universe.
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The better phrase then would be evolution via creation.

But the answer to that theory IMHO is that the universe is far too complex and diverse to ever have been created by one source. My view is that even a god could never had contemplated such a wonderful, evolutionary thing. That being the case, there is no "god" but just "nature alone" on its often cruel but elegantly inventive way, day in and day out, forever.

But why bother in the first place. Why is there something rather than nothing and then have it all die, farther down the road?

If a theory cannot account for the nature of life, it must be discarded.
 
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Chaotic42 said:
I'm surprised this isn't more common. I've discussed the idea with friends who believe in in-situ creationism and have never gotten a good answer as to why God couldn't use evolution, the Big Bang, particle physics, etc, to create the universe.
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God did in my opinion.
 
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Chaotic42 said:
I'm surprised this isn't more common. I've discussed the idea with friends who believe in in-situ creationism and have never gotten a good answer as to why God couldn't use evolution, the Big Bang, particle physics, etc, to create the universe.
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If there was an invisible man in the sky he could have. But religion can't sell such an ambiguous story. Evolution is the mark of a hands-off spectator god and WTF good is he as a threat? Religion has to be able to have a more exact story as to where you come from, where you're going and what you're supposed to do while you're here. Those are the reasons man invented gods in the first place, to handle unknowns. That's the path of religion, from a god of every little thing eventually giving way to one big god to cover everything as the little things got answered. We don't need weather gods, fertility gods or harvest gods anymore. The weak just cling to the need for one all-purpose god to explain where you come from, where you're going and what you're supposed to do while you're here. And for that, religion needs answers, not ambiguity. It has to be able to answer those questions or it wouldn't have been invented at all. And evolution, particle physics and uncertainty don't fit if you're trying to sell religion to people craving answers. If you want to control people you need to nail down the specifics of what god expects from them so they have something more tangible to be afraid of. Without that god is just a geeky kid with an ant farm and we're the ants.
 
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pcgeek11 said:
God did in my opinion.
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This idea wholly dismisses evolution. It implies that evolution has an intent: to create humans. (otherwise, why would you believe in a god?).

evolution has no intent. There is no goal. Humans are not the end point and the concept of God is a fart in the wind compared to the age of the earth and the vast diversity achieved through evolution
 
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*cough*

ok, so, let's observe that language is complicating things here.

it's not belief in creationism vs belief in evolution. You can actually have THREE different ways this can go:

1. someone tells you that God is real, and you believe it.
2. someone tells you that Evolution is real, and you believe it.
3. someone tells you that Evolution is real, and then THEY SHOW YOU THE EVIDENCE.
4. ????

i've actually never seen the fossils themselves, so i'm firmly in group 2. But i've seen the explanatory videos, and given the other successes in other fields of the people who promote evolution, i'm ok to take their word for it. they make planes fly, make my battery last 10x as long, and cure me when i'm sick, while on the other hand the pro-Creationism crowd has never done anything for me; also, their history of tithing the poor and abusing their power doesn't compare well to the advancements created by scientists and humanists.
 
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I seen the fossils in the field. They ain't changed one bit since I first seen 'em.
 
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