Finally... More Young Americans Who 'Believe' in Evolution Than Creationism

[pcgeek11]

Scientific theories are Facts. You must have missed School.

I think you are confused. Theories are Facts now.

Theory
noun
noun: theory; plural noun: theories
a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained. "Darwin's theory of evolution"

Fact
noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts

1. a thing that is indisputably the case. "the most commonly known fact about hedgehogs is that they have fleas" synonyms: reality, actuality, certainty; More truth, verity, gospel
   "it is a fact that the water is polluted"

 

[John Connor]

The irony is that Conner says that we cant understand the mind of god, while he claims to understand the mind of god. such haughtiness was forbidden in the bible.

I don't understand the "mind" of God. Not by a long shot. But my curiosity and observation has gained some insight on what I perceive to be the fundamental rules by which everything was created. You call it science.

Questioning your existence and all of its ramifications isn't "forbidden" in the Bible. We are here to learn. This is school.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I don't understand the "mind" of God. Not by a long shot. But my curiosity and observation has gained some insight on what I perceive to be the fundamental rules by which everything was created. You call it science.

Questioning your existence and all of its ramifications isn't "forbidden" in the Bible. We are here to learn. This is school.

lol, this isnt school for believers. you have a manual.

your perception, as you describe it, was put forth as what you are sure of. telling us that god likes things a certain way, as if you spoken to him, or had some enlightened experience that makes you understand what god likes. read your manual, god likes your devotion, your admiration, your dedication, your endless worship, and complete being dedicated to him without questioning any of this.

 

[John Connor]

read your manual, god likes your devotion, your admiration, your dedication, your endless worship, and complete being dedicated to him without questioning any of this.

And in return I get this molecule called oxygen that I fill my lungs with for sustenance so that I can continue to carry out a mission of learning.

 

[WelshBloke]

But my curiosity and observation has
gained some insight on what I perceive to be the fundamental rules by which everything was created. You call it science.

This forum is hilarious sometimes.

 

[Thebobo]

Yo, life can only be borne from existing life. From known time, scientists never had witnesses life arose naturally from inorganic substances. Please tell me how the first life form came into being? There can only be some higher being seeding life.

Edit: nazi eugenicists get their inspiration from American eurgencists who are early subscribers of Darwinism.

And what created your so called higher being? Please tell me how your god created himself? Less than a 100 years ago we discovered the universe we know today, at the time we thought the milky was it for the universe. So you don't think we may find out these answers that you think god is the only answer to?

Just a partial list of what we thought god was responsible for. Soon it will be zero.

Weather - dispelled!
Fires - dispelled!
Famen - dispelled!
Volcanos - dispelled!
Earthquakes - dispelled!
Shooting starts - dispelled!
Sun - dispelled!
Moon - dispelled!
Planets - dispelled!
Stars - dispelled!
gravity - dispelled!
Air - dispelled!
Space - dispelled!
death - dispelled!
Farts - dispelled!
diseases - dispelled!
etc etc.. - dispelled! wtc...

 

[sdifox]

I think you are confused. Theories are Facts now.

Theory
noun
noun: theory; plural noun: theories
a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained. "Darwin's theory of evolution"

Fact
noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts

1. a thing that is indisputably the case. "the most commonly known fact about hedgehogs is that they have fleas" synonyms: reality, actuality, certainty; More truth, verity, gospel
   "it is a fact that the water is polluted"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory

 

[ch33zw1z]

And in return I get this molecule called oxygen that I fill my lungs with for sustenance so that I can continue to carry out a mission of learning.

no, in return you get to live in heaven. do you even christian?

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Farts - dispelled!

I don't want to live in a world without a fart god.

 

[Fritzo]

that's great.

wtf does physics have to do with evolution? Hey, super smart physics man: us biologists need to start hanging out more with you physics guys, seriously, because a lot of you don't really work with biostats, eco, and evolutionary math. I mean, it's all science and everything works amongst all of us, but it's weird how so many physicists are prone to not "get" how this works, or what it actually argues. You know what I mean?

When you see the creationists waving their "books of knowledge," they are always written by some physics or astronomy hobbiest or PhD. someone that, well, really doesn't give a shit about biology. lol.

Physics have EVERYTHING to do with evolution. It's very well possible that the physics in our universe actually provides the recipe for life. On a philosophical level, it's important to find out how common life is in the universe. If we find life everywhere, but no other intelligent life, it's very possible that humans are actually the pinnacle of physical laws. We are the ultimate result of the evolution of the universe. If we find intelligent life is common, we learn that physics is friendly to intelligence, and we do not yet know what the end result of all of its equations will be.

The jump from inanimate matter to a living cell is done through a physical law...and we don't understand what that law is. Once alive, that cell strives to survive, replicate, and better itself through another series of physical laws. Evolution ultimately is a series of equations playing out to create a better being.

 

[IronWing]

Evolution ultimately is a series of equations playing out to create a better being.

Nope. There is no "better" but simply "sufficient for the current environment". Evolution has no goal. "Survival of the fittest" is an overstatement. "Survival of the good enough" would be a better motto.

 

[Fritzo]

I think you are confused. Theories are Facts now.

Theory
noun
noun: theory; plural noun: theories
a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained. "Darwin's theory of evolution"

Fact
noun
noun: fact; plural noun: facts

1. a thing that is indisputably the case. "the most commonly known fact about hedgehogs is that they have fleas" synonyms: reality, actuality, certainty; More truth, verity, gospel
   "it is a fact that the water is polluted"

OK, sansorski misspoke.

He meant "laws," not "facts."

A scientific law is essentially something that is always true and proven to be a fact. We had a scientific renaissance in the 20th century where we realized stating something as a "law" is incredibly arrogant and reckless, as we don't know what we don't know yet. Therefore, any rules that have been observed to be true after testing time and time again become "theories." Having a notion turned into a theory is a pretty big deal. If you find some physical rule that has proven true by multiple peers, and nobody can disprove that notion, it becomes a tool to measure other things.

For instance, we have the Law of Gravity, and this law was established by We've found that gravity attracts mass at an exact proportional rate. We use this law to put satellites into orbit, send spacecraft to other planets, etc. It works every time. Well...ALMOST every time. This law was created in the 17th century. We've since learned about the quantum world, and the Law of Gravity doesn't apply on things that are very tiny. We've also learned that black holes exist, and all gravitational laws break down in them as well. Today, we would have called it the Principle of Gravity, or perhaps the Theory of Gravity on Classical Matter. It's still called a "law" out of tradition, but physicists are very reluctant to call anything a law anymore.

 

[sandorski]

vidence

What are you talking about? Plenty of life today does not need oxygen for metabolism. Aka, plants. They soak in carbon dioxide and spew out oxygen as byproducts. What conditions today are you talking about? Many deep sea volcanic vents have conditions similar to early Earth. Has any researchers ever discover something like protocells forming in these conditions? Have we ever see signs of life arising out of not life?

Water is also essential to life, can you please show me if your bottle of water will come to life on its own?

WTF are you talking about? You seem to slightly twist what I say.

 

[AMDisTheBEST]

vidence


WTF are you talking about? You seem to slightly twist what I say.

No I did not. You are obviously misinformed into thinking life can arise out of not life. Spntangrous generation is BS.

 

[AMDisTheBEST]

OK, sansorski misspoke.

He meant "laws," not "facts."

A scientific law is essentially something that is always true and proven to be a fact. We had a scientific renaissance in the 20th century where we realized stating something as a "law" is incredibly arrogant and reckless, as we don't know what we don't know yet. Therefore, any rules that have been observed to be true after testing time and time again become "theories." Having a notion turned into a theory is a pretty big deal. If you find some physical rule that has proven true by multiple peers, and nobody can disprove that notion, it becomes a tool to measure other things.

For instance, we have the Law of Gravity, and this law was established by We've found that gravity attracts mass at an exact proportional rate. We use this law to put satellites into orbit, send spacecraft to other planets, etc. It works every time. Well...ALMOST every time. This law was created in the 17th century. We've since learned about the quantum world, and the Law of Gravity doesn't apply on things that are very tiny. We've also learned that black holes exist, and all gravitational laws break down in them as well. Today, we would have called it the Principle of Gravity, or perhaps the Theory of Gravity on Classical Matter. It's still called a "law" out of tradition, but physicists are very reluctant to call anything a law anymore.

Newtonian physics is classical physics. It is superseded by theory of general and special relativity because its theory on gravity simply does not hold in some instances.

General and special relativity remedy this by treating gravity not as a force but a curve in space time, whose equations and math always work out.

We still keep Newtonian physics because most day to day life does not require the rigorous definition and calculation of that of relativity to be correct.

Still, gravity is a theory, it is not a fact.

 

[Thebobo]

I don't want to live in a world without a fart god.

He is truly glorious with incredible powers, all hail Fart Man!

 

[Thebobo]

Still, gravity is a theory, it is not a fact.

God can't even be a theory.

 

[AMDisTheBEST]

God can't even be a theory.

Really? Is a higher being seeding life really that unbelievable? Would you choose not to that believe farmers seeded and bring life to the carbohydrates you eat?

Life does not come naturally, some higher being created it. Who created higher being does not matter because higher being might not even be “life”.

We can live in a computer simulation for all we know and our god can be an AI.

 

[sandorski]

No I did not. You are obviously misinformed into thinking life can arise out of not life. Spntangrous generation is BS.

Again with the unsupported assertion. You don't Know how Life can develop, neither does Science, but at least Science has shown that necessary Precursors to Life can form Naturally. "Spontaneous Generation" is a whole different subject, but you are correct in that it was BS.

 

[lxskllr]

God can't even be a theory.

I believe that's called "pulling shit out of your ass". In decreasing weight of evidence you have theory-hypothesis-educated guess-guesstimate-pulling shit out of your ass. "Pulling shit out of your ass" is worth it's weight in unicorn farts.

 

[sandorski]

Really? Is a higher being seeding life really that unbelievable? Would you choose not to that believe farmers seeded and bring life to the carbohydrates you eat?

Life does not come naturally, some higher being created it. Who created higher being does not matter because higher being might not even be “life”.

We can live in a computer simulation for all we know and our god can be an AI.

If "believable" is the criteria, anything is Possible. Including Leprechauns, Faeries, or gods. Show evidence of such a thing.

 

[IronWing]

Buckshot rides again.

 

[AMDisTheBEST]

Again with the unsupported assertion. You don't Know how Life can develop, neither does Science, but at least Science has shown that necessary Precursors to Life can form Naturally. "Spontaneous Generation" is a whole different subject, but you are correct in that it was BS.

You are just desperately trying to prove something that can’t be proven just as you are desperately trying to disapprove creationism which can’t be disapproven.

 

[Chaotic42]

This thread is such a microcosm of the current political landscape it's scary.

 

[sandorski]

Buckshot rides again.

It appears so. I vaguely recall having this, or something close to it, conversation a long time ago. Just constant moving of goalposts and bizarre meandering conversation.