Figthing for The lazy & Stupid - CTU & Democrats

[michal1980]

A few more details are leaking out. Supposedly the new contract has no limits on new charter schools nor the closure or consolidation of existing CPS schools. I suspect this was Rahm's ultimate goal.

Given that the CPS 5 year plan includes closing or consolidating up to 120 schools, creating 60 or more new charter schools and perhaps only 30-40 new CPS run schools I'd say that whatever concessions the CTU won are going to be somewhat muted.

the number of kids in CPS schools is down 20%. What do teachers expect?

oh wait. I know, more pay, less work, no responsbility.

 

[K1052]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-chicago-teachers-union-meets-on-contract-today-20120916,0,4830609.story

welp...shitstorm now

Delegates rejected the agreement (not ending the walkout is effectively a rejection of the negotiated terms, membership won't approve if the delegates won't) and Rahm's taking CTU to court.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Whether of not public sector unions are appropriate isn't the issue here.

No one is doubting that the Chicago Teachers Union is doing a great job advocating for the teachers.

Problem being that no one is advocating for the students.

And with 4 out of 10 freshmen dropping out before graduating and only about 20% of eighth graders being up to the national norms in reading or math, it doesn't seem to me that the status quo of the Chicago Public Schools is good for the students.

And since the teachers union issues are limited to increasing their pay and making sure that they are no metrics that link student learning to their pay, there are no issues that the union is negotiating that would improve student education. For the union, its all about teacher's pay and maintaining a lack of accountability.

You ever carried a union card? I have. What union experience do you have? I've earned the right to disdain unions.

Have a boss you don't like? Here's an idea. Get a new one. No one ever forced me to work for anyone I didn't like or respect. (Okay, there was that time I was in the Army. But since my platoon went through seven platoon leaders in 15 months and 28 days, its not like any one of them was a long term issue...)

You are free to think that unions or lawsuits are solutions to your problems of getting along with your boss.

Me, if an organization doesn't treat me a way that is congruent with my expectations, I just go work for a different one.

Haven't needed unions or lawsuits.

Uno

The 19th century called Uno, it has lots of history to share with you.

 

[michal1980]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-chicago-teachers-union-meets-on-contract-today-20120916,0,4830609.story

welp...shitstorm now

Delegates rejected the agreement (not ending the walkout is effectively a rejection of the negotiated terms, membership won't approve if the delegates won't) and Rahm's taking CTU to court.

Not only that.

The CTU wont do anything today because its the Jewish new Year.

But remeber people its all about the kids.

 

[unokitty]

The 19th century called Uno, it has lots of history to share with you.

My union experience only goes back to the '70s. And it was only with the Teamsters when Frankie Fitzsimmons was running them.

Now, you are welcome to worship the Teamsters and Frankie as working class heroes.

Me, I was a working stiff whose dues contributed to Frankie's half million dollar a year salary as well as to the pension fund with which he was making generous loans to his mobster friends.

Here are a few more words for Frankie: convicted felon and crook.

If you want to worship at the union altar, I don't give a damn. But its not a place that you will find me.

Nor is it a place that you will find the 50,000 Chicago Charter School Students, they're in school today.


Uno

 

[K1052]

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/09/17/Judge-delays-hearing-on-Chicago-strike/UPI-85271347899002/

No injunction today. Looks like there will be hearing on Wednesday.

Going by the commentary leaking out of the delegates meeting and membership there is not sufficient support inside the CTU to authorize the negotiated deal and union leadership basically doesn't know what to do now. Most of the editorial commentary has turned against the teachers for not knowing how to take a good deal when they see it.

I really think the union's leadership whipped up so much animosity against Rahm and CPS that now a reasonable deal (most outside observers think it is pretty favorable to CTU) is on the table it can't be accepted.

 

[cybrsage]

Not only that.

The CTU wont do anything today because its the Jewish new Year.

But remeber people its all about the kids.

Happy 5773!

Chicago is heavily Jewish, so I am not surprised by not wanting to do work on a High Holy Day.

 

[michal1980]

Happy 5773!

Chicago is heavily Jewish, so I am not surprised by not wanting to do work on a High Holy Day.

If the teachers weren't on strike they would be in school.

so what the F are they taking the day off for?

Because they are lazzzzzyyyyyyyy.

 

[cybrsage]

They are on strike, they are taking every day off.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

My union experience only goes back to the '70s. And it was only with the Teamsters when Frankie Fitzsimmons was running them.

Now, you are welcome to worship the Teamsters and Frankie as working class heroes.

Me, I was a working stiff whose dues contributed to Frankie's half million dollar a year salary as well as to the pension fund with which he was making generous loans to his mobster friends.

Here are a few more words for Frankie: convicted felon and crook.

If you want to worship at the union altar, I don't give a damn. But its not a place that you will find me.

Nor is it a place that you will find the 50,000 Chicago Charter School Students, they're in school today.


Uno

Worship at the altar of false attibution do we?

Using this logic we would toss out the Capitalist System because Enron defrauded investors.

 

[michal1980]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...n-of-cps-proposals-20120917,0,892291.htmlpage

evidence that CPS folded and gave the teachers a golden ege.

Anything in that proposal thats for the the children? More like how to keep lazy teachers employed forever.

 

[bfdd]

Worship at the altar of false attibution do we?

Using this logic we would toss out the Capitalist System because Enron defrauded investors.

See you have no clue what you're talking about. Enron was able to get away with what they did because of socialism not capitalism. Silly. I have been a union guy as well. Millwrights local 1607 not a public union but still similar enough for my experience to see the nonsense they do. No better than any corp. Idiots just believe otherwise because you have a more human face representing the union vs the corp.

 

[ichy]

The details are not known yet at this point so it's jumping to gun to proclaim winners and losers.

Gee, who would have thought that the OP would create a thread based on inaccurate or incomplete information as long as it suited his foregone conclusion

 

[K1052]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...n-of-cps-proposals-20120917,0,892291.htmlpage

evidence that CPS folded and gave the teachers a golden ege.

Anything in that proposal thats for the the children? More like how to keep lazy teachers employed forever.

Written by the union for consumption by their membership. We need to see some independent analysis, but that probably won't happen until CPS opens up to the press after the contract is done.

 

[Exterous]

Anything in that proposal thats for the the children? More like how to keep lazy teachers employed forever.

Well, did you actually read it? We'll see what the final agreement actually is but according to that document:
-Increase in Art, Music and PE staff/classes
-Additional Social Workers to deal with overwhelming workloads
-Textbooks will actually be available on the first day of class instead of "whenever available" (which appears to currently be up to 6 weeks after classes start)
-Increasing the the supply fund for classrooms from $100 to $250
-Keeping the class size caps in place.
-Won money to reduce class sizes
-Removed refusal to lower caseloads of Spec Ed

Whether or not you agree with the other considerations there are aspects that should improve the education of the kids at the school

 

[michal1980]

Well, did you actually read it? We'll see what the final agreement actually is but according to that document:
-Increase in Art, Music and PE staff/classes
-Additional Social Workers to deal with overwhelming workloads
-Textbooks will actually be available on the first day of class instead of "whenever available" (which appears to currently be up to 6 weeks after classes start)
-Increasing the the supply fund for classrooms from $100 to $250
-Keeping the class size caps in place.
-Won money to reduce class sizes
-Removed refusal to lower caseloads of Spec Ed

Whether or not you agree with the other considerations there are aspects that should improve the education of the kids at the school

I did read it.

Did you read the rest?

Work day shortened from 7:40 to 7-7:15
Freeze on health care premiums (for 3-4 years!! )
banking of sick days maintained + new disability benefit.
no evaluation by colleagues
guaranteed salary increases + steps + lanes
must hire from pool of fired teachers
suspension with pay
Must consider race to hire
12 weeks of pay for layoff

etc etc.

all about keeping bad teachers employed.

 

[Todd33]

So the "stupid lazy teacher" is the new welfare queen?

It is as if you nut jobs have never met a teacher.

 

[Exterous]

I did read it.

Then why ask the question when you already knew that there were things in there for the kids?

Did you read the rest?

Yep - doesn't change the fact that there are things in there for the kids

 

[jhbball]

If the teachers weren't on strike they would be in school.

so what the F are they taking the day off for?

Because they are lazzzzzyyyyyyyy.

speaking of lazy. why are you posting on an internet forum during work hours?