Fiesta 1.0L 45 mpg hwy

[Ferzerp]

Not bad at all. This was what I almost waited for until an arm injury pointed out the need to have at least one automatic car.

Still, this seems impressive, even for a shrimp-sized car, on just an ICE.

City mileage still sucks (relatively) though.

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/28/2014-ford-fiesta-1l-ecoboost-45-mpg-16445-price/

I can see from a purely economical standpoint this being a great vehicle for a long distance commuter.

 

[mmntech]

Supposedly the Euro spec comes in either 100 or 125 PS flavours. Which is actually comparable to the naturally aspirated American spec 1.6L Duratec. Both 1.0L engines put out more torque than the 1.6L as well.

 

[LTC8K6]

Well, the 1.0L Fiesta is way quicker than the Smart. 9.8 vs 15.5 to 60.

I'll take that in exchange for a little lower city mileage.

 

[Eureka]

Maybe I'm looking at it from the wrong perspective, but is it really that impressive? Civics and Focus(es) are rated 38-39 mpg highway, and are also considerably more powerful and roomier.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

I know, emissions safety blah blah blah. But a CRX HF I had many years ago got like 50mpg highway.

 

[jlee]

Well, the 1.0L Fiesta is way quicker than the Smart. 9.8 vs 15.5 to 60.

I'll take that in exchange for a little lower city mileage.

15.5 to 60?!

That's like 0-120-0 in anything fun.

 

[Ferzerp]

I know, emissions safety blah blah blah. But a CRX HF I had many years ago got like 50mpg highway.

The EPA test cycle has also been changed since then to produce lower ratings as well. They aren't directly comparable.

Your old CF-X was also 800-1000 lbs lighter with less than half the power (not sure of torque). And yes, safety equipment. You can likely live through a crash in one of these

 

[LTC8K6]

15.5 to 60?!

That's like 0-120-0 in anything fun.

Premium fuel too...

Some special versions are quicker, but they get much poorer mileage of course.

Some are quite a bit slower.

http://www.zeroto60times.com/Smart-Cars-0-60-mph-Times.html

 

[tortillasoup]

The EPA test cycle has also been changed since then to produce lower ratings as well. They aren't directly comparable.

Your old CF-X was also 800-1000 lbs lighter with less than half the power (not sure of torque). And yes, safety equipment. You can likely live through a crash in one of these

When he says 50mpg highway he means the MPG he actually got on the freeway. You can make a 2000lb vehicle today that is perfectly safe, case in point the 2014 Mitsubishi Mirage which has more room than a CRX or even a 4 door Geo Metro while receiving good marks in crash safety. Most of the vehicles today are heavy not due to crash safety but because they've made the chassis progressively stiffer to improve quality of handling. The alloys they use today are also significantly stronger than that of the past but what it really comes down to was how stiff of a chassis were they going to design their vehicles around. Frankly it appears going with a less stiff chassis to save weight appears to make the cars better to drive than going with a more stiff chassis at the cost of significantly more weight.

 

[mmntech]

Well, the 1.0L Fiesta is way quicker than the Smart. 9.8 vs 15.5 to 60.

The Smart's biggest problem is its god awful automatic-manual transmission, or whatever the heck they call it. EPA claims it only gets 34/38mpg anyway, which is terrible given its size and engine displacement. Not that much better than the 1.6L Fiesta which uses cheaper regular gasoline.

I just don't understand the point of the Fortwo. If you're worried about the environment or fuel economy, the Prius C gets 50mpg and is only about $2000 more than a similarly equipped Smart. Plus it seats four and has a usable trunk.

 

[Kaido]

The numbers are pretty interesting, but for a small hit in fuel economy, you can get a lot more car these days.

I went to take a Fiesta out for a test drive before we got our '13 Civic. I laughed so hard after I got in that I didn't even bother taking it out :biggrin: My left leg literally curved along with the door for me to fit (I'm over 6') and the backseat was phenomenally useless. I had just turned in our bubble-domed Honda Fit and the Fiesta felt microscopic! Plus, the Civic is 28/39; I usually get 33 MPG mixed with a lead foot, and we've seen 40+ on the highway, even without using the Eco button.

Plus the '13 Civic is redesigned and definitely feels more expensive than it actually is, so for a ~5 MPG highway hit, you can get a lot more car for just a couple grand more (which works out to about an extra $35/mo on a 5-year loan over the base Fiesta 1.0L). I do think the Fiesta is a cool little car, but for the price & MPG, you can be a lot more comfortable for a little bit more cash and a smallish hit in fuel economy.

Still, I think it's extremely cool that you can get a 45 MPG gas-burner with no hybrid battery system, no diesel, and no premium fuel. Although it is kind of strange that you only get 32 MPG in the city...

 

[Kaido]

I just don't understand the point of the Fortwo. If you're worried about the environment or fuel economy, the Prius C gets 50mpg and is only about $2000 more than a similarly equipped Smart. Plus it seats four and has a usable trunk.

Wow, seriously? Dang. When you put it in that perspective...

 

[dguy6789]

Going to have to agree with Kaido. When cars like the 2013 Civic exist these slightly better numbers on crazy tiny cars doesn't seem very impressive at all.

 

[Kaido]

Going to have to agree with Kaido. When cars like the 2013 Civic exist these slightly better numbers on crazy tiny cars doesn't seem very impressive at all.

Yeah...I was going to check out the $13k 44-MPG Mitsubishi Mirage to replace my gas-guzzling Volvo until I read:

1. 74 HP
2. 74lb-ft torque
3. 2,051-pound curb weight

I just happened to luck out and get the redesigned '13 Civic, which has turned out to be a fantastic car (was checking out the Altima & Accord at the time). I don't want to call it the best value on the market (because I don't know every car), but it's hard to argue with 39 MPG highway, great ride, great features, great quality, great resale value, for $18k. Plus I can comfortably drive it at 6'1" with no fit issues. I could easily see us keeping this car for 5 or 10 years.

To me, the Fiesta seems like a great single-guy car. If you just need something fun to buzz around in with great MPG - shoot, 45 MPG for under $20k and no fancy hybrid or diesel urea stuff to worry about. Although I hardly see them on the road, usually it's Focus or Fusions - I think most people like the slightly larger sizes of those better, in general.

 

[tortillasoup]

I disagree, the Fiesta being a subcompact makes its MPG and cost unjustifiable. Knowing the price overlap between the Corolla and Fiesta, I'd much rather have the '14 Corolla Eco than the Fiesta SFE. The Corolla gets better gas mileage, is a midsize car and despite others not liking the look, I actually really like the look of both the exterior and interior.

 

[Kaido]

Toyota is showing off the new "Aygo", which also has a 1.0L 4-cylinder engine (68 HP, 70 torque). 57.3 MPG with the stick shift. These one-liters are crazy!!

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/03/04/2014-toyota-aygo-video-geneva-2014/

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Why isn't it a scion?

 

[Kaido]

Why isn't it a scion?

They already have the iQ:

http://www.scion.com/cars/iQ/

"Only" 37 MPG highway tho...

 

[Kaido]

They're bringing out some pretty crazy stuff...the new Audi TT TDI is 56 MPG:

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/03/03/2015-audi-tt-tts-revealed/

The Volvo V40 D4 with the TDI Drive-E engine is 71 MPG:

http://green.autoblog.com/2014/03/0...ive-e-engine-can-be-more-efficient-than-a-to/

Although there are "European cycles" and conversions and stuff, so I don't think those numbers quite translate over to American MPG units. Would be curious to see though.

 

[Dr. Detroit]

Toyota is showing off the new "Aygo", which also has a 1.0L 4-cylinder engine (68 HP, 70 torque). 57.3 MPG with the stick shift. These one-liters are crazy!!

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/03/04/2014-toyota-aygo-video-geneva-2014/

0-60 in 14-seconds! Holy shit - death trap attempting to merge onto a freeway.

For reference the next slowest car in the US is the Smart at 12.5-seconds.

And Toyota needs to kill Scion off - the FR-S should have been called the Celica from the start. Too much marketing costs for not enough sales.

 

[Kaido]

0-60 in 14-seconds! Holy crap - death trap attempting to merge onto a freeway.

For reference the next slowest car in the US is the Smart at 12.5-seconds.

And Toyota needs to kill Scion off - the FR-S should have been called the Celica from the start. Too much marketing costs for not enough sales.

Yeah, I think even my wussy 130 HP 1.6L Kia Soul gets to 60 in under 9...

I still don't understand why the FR-S (or BRZ exists). Why does Subaru AND Toyota sell it? There's virtually zero differences between the models. I kind of wish it had just stuck with Toyota so that Subaru would still be AWD across the line. Plus, if you buy a BRZ, as far as street cred goes with your buddies, people's perceptions are "hey, you have a Scion".

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

0-60 in 14-seconds! Holy shit - death trap attempting to merge onto a freeway.

For reference the next slowest car in the US is the Smart at 12.5-seconds.

And Toyota needs to kill Scion off - the FR-S should have been called the Celica from the start. Too much marketing costs for not enough sales.

lol at the death trap comment. When I'm driving an eighteen wheeler fully loaded it can take me a couple miles distance to reach 60mph. Probably around 3 minutes.

 

[heymrdj]

I have the Fiesta 1.6L. Lots of my online friends are picking up 1.0's. They are a price premium, but the boost at low rpm makes them pull off the line pretty respectfully, and makes 4 people more livable.

My 1.6L is slow with 4 people, no denying that. I can't hardly believe how slow it is. With one person though it's not so bad, the first 3 gears are within the first 20mph. So in the city it's very punchy. I've averaged 29-31mpg in the city, and I've gotten 41mpg on the highway, 39mpg on the interstate. It's not a car designed for 4 adults. It's a car designed for 2 adults and 2 kids, or 4 adults taking a quick ride somewhere. The Focus more aptly fits 4 adults full time. For me it's great, 99% of my hours in the car are me commuting myself to various locations my job requires (30 minutes to 6 hours at a time). Lots of singular highway miles. Occasional trips out for groceries with the girlfriend. Sometimes 4 of us at work go out for lunch, but we all fit with some seat movement, and at most it's a 15 minutes ride.

I loved the prius C and the lease deals are insane on them. But I couldn't bring myself to pay such a price premium for a more spartan car (like you pay for an AWD system with subaru, you pay for the hybrid tech with toyota, money that could go for more creature comforts). My drive just doesn't benefit enough from a hybrid, though joining the 50mpg club would have been sweet.

 

[LTC8K6]

lol at the death trap comment. When I'm driving an eighteen wheeler fully loaded it can take me a couple miles distance to reach 60mph. Probably around 3 minutes.

Not the same at all, though. We all expect big rigs to be slow merging and passing.

We don't expect a car to enter I-40 at 40mph, not that it doesn't happen anyway...

 

[heymrdj]

I disagree, the Fiesta being a subcompact makes its MPG and cost unjustifiable. Knowing the price overlap between the Corolla and Fiesta, I'd much rather have the '14 Corolla Eco than the Fiesta SFE. The Corolla gets better gas mileage, is a midsize car and despite others not liking the look, I actually really like the look of both the exterior and interior.

There is no overlap. Fiesta SE sedan (we are comparing sedans right?, corolla isn't a hatchback, I fit things in my Fiesta hatchback that couldn't even come close to fitting in the trunk of a corolla, believe me I tried it at the Evans Toyota dealer) automatic (which is a 6spd DCT mind you, not the archaic 4spd from Toyota), is 16,750 29/39 mileage. Corolla L with the automatic starts at 18,210 27/36 mileage.

Just for your comparison, a Fiesta hatchback SFE is 17150 32/45 mileage. Corolla LE Eco is 19,905 30/42 mileage. So "overlap" is $2,755. We could compare a Yaris to a fiesta, but I think the Yaris is just slightly bigger. A 5 door L is 16,265 with a 4 spd automatic and no infotainment system, just bluetooth audio. I know these well because a 2013 is one of our newest company cars. Very spartan interior. An LE (comparable to my SE) starts at 17,300.

Corolla L auto is 18210, Focus S auto is 17,980. Corolla LE is 19110 vs a Focus sedan SE at 19225. So as you can see Corolla classes with the Focus.