Fidel Castro dead at 90

jman19

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Finally kicked the bucket. Can't believe he lasted so long since he was supposedly at death's door ten years ago.
 

OutHouse

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good bye asshat. maybe now Cuba can thrive.

I think i heard southern Florida cheering in Denver.
 

Abwx

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good bye asshat. maybe now Cuba can thrive.

I think i heard southern Florida cheering in Denver.


Yeah, thriving like when it was under the US maffia domination a la Meyer Lansky that made this island her lupanar while the cuban people was starving, sugar and tobbaco being the property of US gangsters..

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/09/cuban-revolution-fidel-castro-casinos-batista/

Thanks to this great man hundreds thousands cuban women were spared a life of prostitution, but i guess that doesnt count, no more than the fact that cuban are on average better educated than US people with as good if not better life expectancy despite a criminal embargo and the infamous helms burton laws...
 
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ivwshane

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Yeah, thriving like when it was under the US maffia domination a la Meyer Lansky that made this island her lupanar while the cuban people was starving, sugar and tobbaco being the property of US gangsters..

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/09/cuban-revolution-fidel-castro-casinos-batista/

Thanks to this great man hundreds thousands cuban women were spared a life of prostitution, but i guess that doesnt count, no more than the fact that cuban are on average better educated than US people with as good if not better life expectancy despite a criminal embargo and the infamous helms burton laws...

At the end of the day he was still a dictator who jailed dissenters and oppressed his people. So, yeah, good for him for not being a total ass hat...
 

buckshot24

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At the end of the day he was still a dictator who jailed dissenters and oppressed his people. So, yeah, good for him for not being a total ass hat...
He also executed thousands. We'll see if his brother can keep things together down there (from Fidel's perspective). I was hoping to visit again within a year, maybe I'll wait and see how things turn out.
 

Abwx

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At the end of the day he was still a dictator who jailed dissenters and oppressed his people. So, yeah, good for him for not being a total ass hat...

Certainly that the 600 CIA assassination attempts didnt help to restrain the security matters in the island, it s not like the US had no responsabilities for this deleterious climate...

Besides, when he took power the african americans were still sub citizens in the US, so much for the oppression an dictatorship...

As to jail people, didnt the US jail alleged US communists during the Mc Carthy time..?.

He also executed thousands.

Who were those "thousands" actually..??.

Ex criminals from the Battista era, when a policeman could kill at will and get away with it systematically..?.
 

ivwshane

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Certainly that the 600 CIA assassination attempts didnt help to restrain the security matters in the island, it s not like the US had no responsabilities for this deleterious climate...

Besides, when he took power the african americans were still sub citizens in the US, so much for the oppression an dictatorship...

As to jail people, didnt the US jail alleged US communists during the Mc Carthy time..?.



Who were those "thousands" actually..??.

Ex criminals from the Battista era, when a policeman could kill at will and get away with it systematically..?.

I don't get your point. If you are trying to say the US's bad deeds make his bad deeds okay then I don't agree with you. Just because America is imperfect and has done alot of fucked up things doesn't justify the bad things other countries do.
 

buckshot24

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Who were those "thousands" actually..??.

Ex criminals from the Battista era, when a policeman could kill at will and get away with it systematically..?.
It isn't as if they were given due process to defend themselves from those accusations so we have no idea how many "deserved" it.
 

Abwx

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I don't get your point. If you are trying to say the US's bad deeds make his bad deeds okay then I don't agree with you. Just because America is imperfect and has done alot of fucked up things doesn't justify the bad things other countries do.

Granted that two wrongs do not make a right, but then Cuba had no influence on the life of US citizenry, on the other hand the bad deeds of the US government had deep influence on the cuban people standard of life,
so things are not symmetrical at all as cubans had to suffer daily the consequences of the US embargo..

What did matters worse were those helms burton laws that were illegal in international right because the US
forced other countries to follow this embargo, at the end the US governement was just starving the cubans in the hope that they would revolt against their government.

It isn't as if they were given due process to defend themselves from those accusations so we have no idea how many "deserved" it.

Certainly that some abuse occured but i dont think that they killed people randomly, and the extent of the corruption and illegal murders under Battista was such that a few thousands is quite a lowish number, i mean almost any policeman or responsible was a thief or else he would had been replaced with one who did fit the US gangsters who were in control of the island.
 
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norseamd

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Yeah, thriving like when it was under the US maffia domination a la Meyer Lansky that made this island her lupanar while the cuban people was starving, sugar and tobbaco being the property of US gangsters..

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/09/cuban-revolution-fidel-castro-casinos-batista/

Thanks to this great man hundreds thousands cuban women were spared a life of prostitution, but i guess that doesnt count, no more than the fact that cuban are on average better educated than US people with as good if not better life expectancy despite a criminal embargo and the infamous helms burton laws...

This isnt even touching the US supported right wing dictator that was Batista.

Why do you think so many Cuban-Americans are so crazy, right-wing, and hostile to anything Cuba since they have been here? Because they are the former elite and rich who were in league with Batista that fled like the cowards they are when Castro, Che, and the Cuban revolutionaries kicked the living shit out of Batista.
 
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Abwx

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This isnt even touching the US supported right wing dictator that was Batista.

Why do you think so many Cuban-Americans are so crazy, right-wing, and hostile to anything Cuba since they have been here? Because they are the former elite and rich who were in league with Batista that fled like the cowards they are when Castro, Che, and the Cuban revolutionaries kicked the living shit out of Batista.

Still, that s odd that the US gov did side with what where essentialy gangsters, drug traffickers and pimps, i guess that the latters got a lot of influencial US people as customers, hence the support they got from this corrupted establishment.
 

sportage

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Finally kicked the bucket. Can't believe he lasted so long since he was supposedly at death's door ten years ago.

Well after all, Cuba DOES have universal healthcare.
It's just so terribly sad that republicans are back in power.
As a neighboring country, we would have had so many opportunities to take advantage of now that Castro is gone.
But under republican rule, we can forget about that.
Guess it will be up to the next democratic president and congress, whenever that happens...
 

K1052

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Well after all, Cuba DOES have universal healthcare.
It's just so terribly sad that republicans are back in power.
As a neighboring country, we would have had so many opportunities to take advantage of now that Castro is gone.
But under republican rule, we can forget about that.
Guess it will be up to the next democratic president and congress, whenever that happens...

It will arguably be much harder now for Trump to go back on the agreement since Fidel is dead. This was the big emotional roadblock to full rapprochement especially for the Cubans in the US. Also US business interests have realized the opportunity and are heavily lobbying for access to Cuba.
 

IronWing

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Thanks Obama!


Dang though, Castro was so close to outlasting yet another U.S. President.
 

John Connor

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Well after all, Cuba DOES have universal healthcare.


Do YOU even KNOW what their health care is like? Geesh.

Competition is what I argued about on the Internet and now I'm glad that is exactly what Trump wants; good old fashioned Capitalism.

Currently, the ACA deductibles are so high you can't use it! Then the cost, the fucking cost!
 

IronWing

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Do YOU even KNOW what their health care is like? Geesh.

Competition is what I argued about on the Internet and now I'm glad that is exactly what Trump wants; good old fashioned Capitalism.

Currently, the ACA deductibles are so high you can't use it! Then the cost, the fucking cost!
The ACA is capitalism. That's the core problem with it.
 
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John Connor

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You must be high. Apparently your idea of a government act rammed down the throats of people, having to pay a fine if you don't have health insurance, high priced deductibles and the cost is Capitalism to you? No, this is communism!
 

IronWing

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You must be high. Apparently your idea of a government act rammed down the throats of people, having to pay a fine if you don't have health insurance, high priced deductibles and the cost is Capitalism to you? No, this is communism!
Nope, it's government mandated capitalism. Does govt control the means of production? Nope. You're getting ass-raped by pure American capitalism and screaming for more.
 
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