Fiat announces Jeep production may move to China

[Matt1970]

He didn't read the whole article he just read parts that agreed with his P.O.V. and posted

I only quoted enough to show the CEO of Chrysler is talking out his ass, again.

 

[Matt1970]

Maybe I missed it but where does that article state that they are shifting production out of the US? The article that I posted from October states that they are spending money and increasing production here despite joining a partnership and starting production there? I see nothing but increasing production in both countries so if anyone can point out where they are shutting down and laying anyone off, please do so.

Nobody said shutting down and laying off. You are pulling shit out of thin air. Jeeps sold in China are currently not made there. Now they will be. That's called shifting production to China. Nobody said it was all of Jeep's production. And since when has the left started defending outsourcing?

 

[michal1980]

Nobody said shutting down and laying off. You are pulling shit out of thin air. Jeeps sold in China are currently not made there. Now they will be. That's called shifting production to China. Nobody said it was all of Jeep's production. And since when has the left started defending outsourcing?

The defend it when it helps them defend the big O.

 

[nehalem256]

yes it does stupid liberal.

Instead of the jeep being made in the USA and imported into China, creating jobs in the USA, it will now be made in china.

Every jeep made in china is one not making jobs here.

Not surprised liberals would lie.... again.

And the reason this is occurring is because China puts excessive import tariffs on US cars.

 

[Engineer]

Nobody said shutting down and laying off. You are pulling shit out of thin air. Jeeps sold in China are currently not made there. Now they will be. That's called shifting production to China. Nobody said it was all of Jeep's production. And since when has the left started defending outsourcing?

I don't call increasing US production and hiring up to 1,100 MORE people outsourcing or offshoring. I do agree however that it can be viewed as shifting production to China but the way the OP and others framed it including Romney (Politico's lie of the year) was that they were shutting down production here to move to China. The CEO has stated that he will be hiring up to 1,100 more people. You don't do that to decrease production.

 

[Engineer]

The defend it when it helps them defend the big O.

What does Oscar Robertson have to do with this conversation? Oh, you meant Obama. Same thing then. What does he have to do with this?

Troll.

 

[bozack]

I don't call increasing US production and hiring up to 1,100 MORE people outsourcing or offshoring. I do agree however that it can be viewed as shifting production to China but the way the OP and others framed it including Romney (Politico's lie of the year) was that they were shutting down production here to move to China. The CEO has stated that he will be hiring up to 1,100 more people. You don't do that to decrease production.

You're going under the presumption that they won't eventually move more operations from here to there, such as parts manufacturing.....

I would say this is naive at best but only time will tell.

 

[Jimzz]

And the reason this is occurring is because China puts excessive import tariffs on US cars.

Kinda like what the US does to imports of Trucks?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax

 

[Engineer]

You're going under the presumption that they won't eventually move more operations from here to there, such as parts manufacturing.....

I would say this is naive at best but only time will tell.

You're going on the presumption that they will move more. Naive consider that other manufacturing is already moving back and none of the others have shifted production to China in order to import to the US (and possibly any other region - used in China only).

 

[bozack]

You're going on the presumption that they will move more. Naive consider that other manufacturing is already moving back and none of the others have shifted production to China in order to import to the US (and possibly any other region - used in China only).

orly? care to share examples of that?

again, only time will tell, but can think of countless industries that have shifted production out never to return.

 

[SheHateMe]

"As part of our global expansion of the Jeep brand, there are some cars — that because of the price position in the market — can never be made in the U.S. and exported," Marchionne told reporters on the sidelines of the North American International Auto Show. "We're going to be announcing the first step in the globalization of Jeep (in China). There's another one that's going to come in Russia. These things are part of a natural process of expansion."

Marchionne said he will keep "the pillar cars of the Jeep (brand) in the United States. Wrangler is one. The Grand Cherokee is another. These are things that need to be protected because they represent the best and the essence of Jeep. If you tell me I cannot make a Patriot somewhere else, I might as well go out of the market."

Hmm....this TOTALLY means all of our jerbs are going over to China.



NOT.

 

[Engineer]

orly? care to share examples of that?

again, only time will tell, but can think of countless industries that have shifted production out never to return.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2012/01/29/u-s--manufacturing-making-comeback.html

and many more examples with expectations of 3 million jobs back by 2015.

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt...+china&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-701

and sure, there will be some that won't return. Working nearly 20 years in and around the automotive industry, I just don't see it happening, especially with the tariffs in place (which is one big reason that it is expensive to make a car here and ship to China).

 

[Matt1970]

I don't call increasing US production and hiring up to 1,100 MORE people outsourcing or offshoring. I do agree however that it can be viewed as shifting production to China but the way the OP and others framed it including Romney (Politico's lie of the year) was that they were shutting down production here to move to China. The CEO has stated that he will be hiring up to 1,100 more people. You don't do that to decrease production.

Cars that are currently made in the US and sold in China are now going to be made in China. If that isn't outsourcing, what exactly IS your definition of outsourcing?

Either way, Romney refrenced a news article that quoted the CEO of Chrysler.
CEO of Chrysler changed his story to say he will not build cars in China.
Romney gets called a liar.
Months later CEO of Chrysler goes back to original story.

 

[Engineer]

Cars that are currently made in the US and sold in China are now going to be made in China. If that isn't outsourcing, what exactly IS your definition of outsourcing?

Either way, Romney refrenced a news article that quoted the CEO of Chrysler.
CEO of Chrysler changed his story to say he will not build cars in China.
Romney gets called a liar.
Months later CEO of Chrysler goes back to original story.

Romney's story was that Fiat was MOVING the entire Jeep production line to China. CEO put him straight and said that he is increasing production here (and hiring too) and starting production in China. While it would be great to build them all here, the very fact that he is increasing production and hiring is what I'm concerned about. No jobs were "offshored" in this and the entire Jeep production line is certainly not being shipped to China.

Opening new factory while INCREASING production and hiring more at CURRENT facility does not = offshored / outsourced facility.

Romney stated that Jeep would move ALL production to China....fail!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GfInD4Exz6Y#t=131s

 

[UberNeuman]

Romney's story was that Fiat was MOVING the entire Jeep production line to China. CEO put him straight and said that he is increasing production here (and hiring too) and starting production in China. While it would be great to build them all here, the very fact that he is increasing production and hiring is what I'm concerned about. No jobs were "offshored" in this and the entire Jeep production line is certainly not being shipped to China.

Opening new factory while INCREASING production and hiring more at CURRENT facility does not = offshored / outsourced facility.

Romney stated that Jeep would move ALL production to China....fail!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=GfInD4Exz6Y#t=131s

I hope you're not expecting a reasonable response....

This whole thread has been a slow motion train wreck from the very start.

But, hey righties - what ever feeds your rage....

 

[bozack]

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/business/2012/01/29/u-s--manufacturing-making-comeback.html

and many more examples with expectations of 3 million jobs back by 2015.

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt...+china&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-701

and sure, there will be some that won't return. Working nearly 20 years in and around the automotive industry, I just don't see it happening, especially with the tariffs in place (which is one big reason that it is expensive to make a car here and ship to China).

I love it how they say "or say they will"

It is like Lenovo who is going to start manufacturing operations in the US, but if you get into the details it is only enough that they can be considered for government contracts that require made in the USA

And what about all the japanese auto makers who fab parts overseas, ship them here, and then simply have the cars assembled...who is to say Jeep won't follow suit once they get manufacturing capabilities in China?

Regardless, the libs like to say jobs should stay here, as others have pointed out, taxes or not, these are jobs that could have stayed here but aren't

 

[Engineer]

Here's a local example where GE "reshored" hot water heaters back to the US.

http://www.businessclimate.com/kent...s-water-heater-manufacturing-plant-louisville

“The journey we started in 2009 to get to this day has been an inspirational one,” said GE Appliances President and CEO Charles “Chip” Blankenship. “To reverse decades of outsourcing by bringing new, industry-leading products and jobs back to Appliance Park takes a tremendous amount of cooperation, imagination, courage and plain old hard work by a lot of people. I want to thank our local union, our employees, government, and company officials for having and executing a vision that is transforming our business into an industry-leading, 21st century operation with a bright future.”

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Fiat is Italian, so it's not really a US company anyway (Chrysler is a daughter company of Fiat).

Chrysler CEO Sergio Marchionne said the automaker plans to build some Jeeps in China for the local market — and later, in Russia.

If it's for the local market it's nothing different than Fiat producing cars for the local market in the US under the name Chrysler.

 

[bozack]

Here's a local example where GE "reshored" hot water heaters back to the US.

http://www.businessclimate.com/kent...s-water-heater-manufacturing-plant-louisville

Whoop, only a thousand jobs or so....that is a drop in the bucket...again it is akin to companies bringing back only a sliver of themselves to satisfy some type of need, be it public outcry, or a governent contract....its not like they are moving their major operations back, nor do I expect they ever will

Fiat is Italian, so it's not really a US company anyway (Chrysler is a daughter company of Fiat).



If it's for the local market it's nothing different than Fiat producing cars for the local market in the US under the name Chrysler.

Only after they were acquired did they become part of Fiat, prior to that remember it was our tax dollars which were poured into the company in the "belief" that it would retain american jobs or hopefully grow them, now it seems said "growth" is being offshored and as usual american workers are going to lose out, and worst case scenario is as said before they move all parts fab off shore closing down even more US operations.

 

[PottedMeat]

uh this is the way things have always worked.

chrysler finds good market in china, us cars selling well there
china believes chrysler taking away market from 'home grown' companies
china slaps tariffs on imports, unless chrysler builds chinese market cars in china
chrysler and chinese gov't connected entity have joint venture
for a time chrysler builds cars in china for china using parts made in chysler facilities around the world
over the years chinese industry takes over after learning/stealing what chrysler brought over

we would do the same

 

[Engineer]

Whoop, only a thousand jobs or so....that is a drop in the bucket...again it is akin to companies bringing back only a sliver of themselves to satisfy some type of need, be it public outcry, or a governent contract....its not like they are moving their major operations back, nor do I expect they ever will

You asked for examples and I gave you a link with lots of examples and one link with a specific example that's local to me. Take it or leave it.

 

[Whiskey16]

Disconnect with language and honesty is strong with this one:

Nobody said shutting down and laying off. You are pulling shit out of thin air. Jeeps sold in China are currently not made there. Now they will be.

That's called shifting production to China.That's called shifting production to China. Nobody said it was all of Jeep's production.

No 'shifting' no 'moving' involved. Adding production is the stated and reported plan that even you reaffirmed.

No, in your previous sentences you specifically stated other wise. Yet to be argumentative you directly contradicted yourself to again present the lie.

And since when has the left started defending outsourcing?

So why are you unreasonably argumentative and had a motivation to present a lie? This unnecessary barb that you contributed to the end of your post concisely defines you as a disruption to a reasonable discussion and a partisan troll. :thumbsdown:

A classic case example of but one of many problems with the expressed content in this forum.

 

[Abe Froman]

It's a jeep thing. You wouldn't understand.

 

[Ryan]

Disconnect with language and honesty is strong with this one:

No 'shifting' no 'moving' involved. Adding production is the stated and reported plan that even you reaffirmed.

No, in your previous sentences you specifically stated other wise. Yet to be argumentative you directly contradicted yourself to again present the lie.

So why are you unreasonably argumentative and had a motivation to present a lie? This unnecessary barb that you contributed to the end of your post concisely defines you as a disruption to a reasonable discussion and a partisan troll. :thumbsdown:

A classic case example of but one of many problems with the expressed content in this forum.

Exactly - Jeep demand is at the highest in brand history. The plants in the US will continue to operate as they have...while new production lines will be added in China.

 

[Engineer]

Exactly - Jeep demand is at the highest in brand history. The plants in the US will continue to operate as they have...while new production lines will be added in China.

Actually, the CEO has stated that they will be spending millions on the Toledo plant as well as hiring 1,100 additional people in 2013. Sounds like increasing production here as well.