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Are you Happy with Fermi?

  • Oh yeah! Gonna grab one or possibly more asap!

  • Pretty happy but expecting more. Might buy one.

  • Not at all. Looking for an 5XXX card

  • Not at all sticking with the last gen card (48XX,2XX series card)


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SolMiester

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Actually you could do the same with those very games, just select some different settings :p

The real question about Fermi is:

WHY DOES IT SUFFER MORE AT HIGH RESOLUTIONS?

Good question, but NV has always tanked at high res iirc!...
 

tviceman

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lol no it's cus it IS slower but you WANT it to be faster.

Have a great night. And what's funny is that you were saying that DX11 doesn't matter cus practically no games use it. Now all of a sudden it's a important benchmark.

You can keep saying it's better than the 5870 but anyone with a brain knows better.

Okay so you're now agreeing with me that the gtx470 and 5870 traded blows equally among the six dx11 games out? Cool. In the meantime, please link any time I've said DX11 doesn't matter. PLEASE. And please link where I said the gtx470 is better than the hd5870. PLEASE.

And PLEASE do not take any of my quotes - if you should find some - out of context. Have fun!
 

Patrick Wolf

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If someone asking me for advice was building a gaming system today that will be able to still run games well in 2-3 years, right now judging by the DX11 performance, it would be a difficult decision to recommend either a gtx470 and 5870. In fact, if DX11 takes over next year the performance advantage between a vanilla gtx470 and 5870 will probably swing the gtx470's favor. It may not be by much, and the two cards will likely still be trading blows, but on average the gtx470 will probably be faster in FUTURE dx11 games.

That's a poorly conceived notion that a GTX4xx will perform better in FUTURE DX11 games. You would be wise to tell that "someone" to wait until future DX11 games actually do come out instead of buying any DX11 card today based on their ability to run those games well.

By the time those games do come out new cards will be out (see, I can predict the future too) and this Fermi failure (no, not a flop, but a definite failure) will be a moot point.

You seem to have a hard-on for comparing the 470 and 5870, completely ignoring the fact that the 5850 beats the 470 in some benchies and of course is cheaper...
 
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blanketyblank

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First off I'd like to know what settings exactly Anand is using for Dirt 2. Cuz his results are a lot different than HardOCP which states:
"The tables turn a bit when we move down to the single GPU video cards, and performance favors the Radeon HD 5870"
I notice Anand doesn't say he's actually running DX 11 mode and he is using "High Quality" while Kyle is using "Ultra". I'm thinking that means we're seeing something more along the lines of a DX10 comparison there since DX 11 in high quality isn't doing a lot of tesselation or it's not being run in DX 11 in the first place.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/03/26/nvidia_fermi_gtx_470_480_sli_review/6
 

ugaboga232

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How do we know its going to be faster? Just because it does well in HPC tasks and has supposedly more tessellation power? I don't trust the Unigine Engine for many, many reasons (go read the other threads).


The general consensus of reviews is 5850 is still the best value which I agree with. When we throw overclocking in, the 5XXX series does really well while the 4XX series just can't oc that well.

Also, there is a nice chart where the 480 beats the 5870 by 8% on full settings averaged over like 15 reviews. With a super easy overclock, you can match/beat a 480 (even when overclocked, we also don't know if these are review samples that have a lot of room).
 

SolMiester

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How do we know its going to be faster? Just because it does well in HPC tasks and has supposedly more tessellation power? I don't trust the Unigine Engine for many, many reasons (go read the other threads).


The general consensus of reviews is 5850 is still the best value which I agree with. When we throw overclocking in, the 5XXX series does really well while the 4XX series just can't oc that well.

Also, there is a nice chart where the 480 beats the 5870 by 8% on full settings averaged over like 15 reviews. With a super easy overclock, you can match/beat a 480 (even when overclocked, we also don't know if these are review samples that have a lot of room).

pcgamehardware claim the 480 OC is linear in performance, and @ 80% fan didnt raise above 75c....<shrug>
 

ugaboga232

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What? I read that with oc, it got up to 96 degrees with fan at 80&#37;. Also, 5870 has near linear increase in clocks, and it can overclock wayy more than a 480. Besides, we have to wait till retail to see if the chips can oc this well.
 

zerocool84

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Okay so you're now agreeing with me that the gtx470 and 5870 traded blows equally among the six dx11 games out? Cool. In the meantime, please link any time I've said DX11 doesn't matter. PLEASE. And please link where I said the gtx470 is better than the hd5870. PLEASE.

And PLEASE do not take any of my quotes - if you should find some - out of context. Have fun!

lol ok think what you want. If you can read I never agreed with you but like I said whatever helps you sleep at night. You don't want any of your quotes to be taken out of context but sure do like spinning other people's quote to help yourself. Like I said, you can keep your 470 but anyone with a brain knows better. Also you forget the fact that it gets beat by the 5850 in games as well.
 
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shaynoa

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Went and got the Sapphire HD5970 Overclock 2G, GDDR5, 2G, 256Bitx 2, PCIE 2x DVI HDMI Mini-DSP 40nm DX11 34cm.yesterday being saturday in Australia ran trainz sim 2010 runs like a dream,overclocked it even more and the temp stayed at 55deg c with no air con in the room , got a new case also was going to get antec 1200 but they didn't bring it to the market so i got the cooler master 932 HAF ,the 5970 slipped straight in without cutting anything ,ran crysis warhead and blow them out of the water super fast,i will not need to upgrade now for about 3 maybe more years ,this computer kicks arse
xfx x58i mobo
i7 930 cpu
12 gig coirsar ddr3 ram
5970 ati video card
 

bryanW1995

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Sticking with my GTX 260 for the foreseeable future. I believe this iteration of Fermi was nothing more than a marketing tool to get people off their back while they work on Fermi II. Eventually they'll come out with a decent chip (from a power and heat perspective), but in the meantime this is their version of the HD 2900 XT (only its actually faster than the competition).

+1.

gtx 260 looks like it will have to be "good enough" for another 6-9 mos...
 

Apocalypse23

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Went and got the Sapphire HD5970 Overclock 2G, GDDR5, 2G, 256Bitx 2, PCIE 2x DVI HDMI Mini-DSP 40nm DX11 34cm.yesterday being saturday in Australia ran trainz sim 2010 runs like a dream,overclocked it even more and the temp stayed at 55deg c with no air con in the room , got a new case also was going to get antec 1200 but they didn't bring it to the market so i got the cooler master 932 HAF ,the 5970 slipped straight in without cutting anything ,ran crysis warhead and blow them out of the water super fast,i will not need to upgrade now for about 3 maybe more years ,this computer kicks arse
xfx x58i mobo
i7 930 cpu
12 gig coirsar ddr3 ram
5970 ati video card

Nice, post some pictures!
 

konakona

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I think it's quite obvious who those three people are that voted for "buying one ASAP" :D
 

shaynoa

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i just took a heap of pictures and do you think i can find them,sp2 for trainz 2010 has changed everything i dont know where they are ,when i find them i will post them
 

at80eighty

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have a 5750. im going to get a 5970 or Northern Islands by Q4 if available, till I see what Fermi II delivers.

Fermi I shows very good potential, but no way in hell im letting that space heater near my rig
 

nmask

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Good reviews!

But card..
GeForce_GTX_480.jpg
 

jeffbui

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Building a new system from scratch, I patiently waited for NVidia's Fermi release. I guess their marketing team was successful in making me hold out for this long. I had my credit card ready to plunk down if it turned out to be good. I ended up just ordering a 5750 instead to hold me over until next gen hardware comes out. I couldn't justify spending on a 5870 or 5850 when it's 6 months old and there's no way I'm putting a dustbuster inside my new computer when all the other parts are relatively quiet.
 
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StrangerGuy

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I'm not interested in upgrading my 9600GT, there is simply no killer game on the horizon for me to justify a DX11 card. But if I have to choose I take 5xxx over Fermi any day.
 

SlickR12345

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Faster than expected, but that said, its 6 months late, performance goes all the way down at 25x16 resolution and it does loose in some games to the 5870.
Furthermore it consumes too much power, its too hot and too noisy.

Conclusion: Wait for a refresh or buy 5870.
 

Capt Caveman

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Disappointing. I'm planing to upgrade from a 8800GT and was hoping for closer to 20-25&#37; improvement over the ATI 5xxx series at comparable power, heat and noise.

I have no allegiance to either company as I've gone from x800xl -> 7800gtx 512 -> x1900xtx -> 8800GT. Currently, leaning towards a 5870 or 5850.

I remember the days when the NV fanboys used to rage about ATI soft launches.
 

BenSkywalker

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Since the thread asks about Fermi, and not a particular part, I would say it is rather shocking the level of improvement they offer over their previous parts. Of course that needs to be explained, but given the design goals in mind it would appear that they have hit all of the performance metrics rather easily that they were shooting for. On the gaming side they have the clearly fastest single GPU overall, but honestly what does that even get you today? One of the things that really stands out when you look at reviews like H offers, 25x16 w/16x AA to strain the cards, really? I'm sure there are people out there that are quite interested in that setup, but the level of diminishing returns past 4x is steep and all of the high end DX11 class parts are handling those settings in pretty much any game with ease. I'm looking at it from a realistic point of view- how much would my end gaming experience change with any of these parts? I use a 19x10 monitor, maybe Metro shows a reasonable difference- a game which doesn't look all that interesting to me personally, the games I'm most likely to play- WoW, BFBC2 and CoD are showing that the nV parts all have a rather decent performance edge in minimums, but the difference is largely splitting hairs as again, there isn't that much of an actual FPS difference.

I am rather interested in the performance of transcoding as I have been spending quite a bit of time doing that(DVD collection in excess of 1K movies) and there it would appear that Fermi is going to end up somewhere in the range of 1000&#37; faster then a 5870, that is something in end effect I would likely notice a bit more then a 5FPS swing on a bench. On a realistic basis most of my gaming time on the PC as of late has been either MMOs or ports of console games, and for that I see no reason to upgrade at all. While I have been spending a lot of time using the GPGPU functions lately, it isn't enough to get me to drop $350 for a new part, I have an older x3 430 machine on the network that isn't used much with a 9600GT in it that can handle that for now. The mid range parts that should be coming, however, will likely be of great interest for me.

Gaming performance of the parts fell almost exactly in line with the overall consensus for performance, only thing really surprising at all with the numbers is how much higher the minimum framerates seem to be in relation to the average compared to the norm. The 470 ended up being a bit faster then the 5850 with the 480 being a bit faster then the 5870 with both parts having a premium over their counterparts. This is very much like it was last generation, anyone trying to push that the situation has changed in some dramatic fashion isn't being honest with themselves. Last gen, nV parts were larger, hotter and used more power then their ATi countperarts. Overall they were slightly faster and had a slight to large price premium over their counterparts from team red. They had a decisive advantage in GPGPU tasks which the overwhelming majority of people don't care about. None of these things have changed.

One interesting thing in this thread, seeing people who were talking about how important DX11 was a month or so ago now saying it doesn't matter. I'll say that my stance hasn't changed in the least, it wasn't a big deal three months ago and it still doesn't really matter now. It is looking like it will be akin to DX10.1 support last generation just with the very miniscule edge going to team green instead of team red.
 

RobertR1

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There's not much with Fermi worth giving thumbs up over. You can say "oh but the performance is there!" but that comes at a price. The card punishes the users to extract the performance. Severe heat build up, huge power drains and a shrieking fan are what one must readily endure to experience the performance.

Nvidia disregarded praticality for a benchmark victory. Not a great one at that consdering this is the least they could do against the competition which has had their products out on the market for 6+ months. All this and the still have the nerve to charge 25&#37; more than the competition. It's just a poor offering all around.

Perhaps future iterations of Fermi will be more reasonable from a price, performace and practical usage standpoint. This version however, should have stayed in the labs....