sex makes the world go round... its not money... money just buys sex in a billion different ways..
actually you pay for sex no matter what you do.. weather it be a dinner and a movie.. or a diamond ring.. or a house in the burbs.. youre paying for sex..
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
So.. are we saying that the media doesn't cover and the American public doesn't even know about these obscure women, like Natalie Portman, Angeline Jolie, Charlize Theron, and Catherine Zeta jones?
i wouldn't say that, but there is less emphasis on them, one of the biggest examples are the shows on MTV
There is an art to being sexually empowered. There is a fine line between sexual prowess/ sexy and raunchy/lewd... a kind of attractiveness that draws the attention of others. I would rather see girls/women learn this and learn how to command respect and use their sexual power in a more positive way. I have nothing against girls or women having sex, nothing against wearing sexy clothes, it is the raunch factor, the whole attitude... the "Girls Gone Wild" stuff that I am seeing becoming more and more prevalent. Just because I was an escort for many years does not mean I conducted myself in those ways. Nor any of the ladies in the biz that I knew. I worry that alot of these college campus crimes, and kidnappings killings and such... even the Spring Break crimes are a symptom of some of the attitudes and actions as pointed out in the article I posted.
the girls gone wild stuff is not as prevalent as you make it seem.
sure extremely immature girls 18-21 are going to do stupid sh1t when they get drunk just like boys will. Letting loose a few times and realizing how dumb you were is part of growing up. Its hardly the standard for me that I go out and see girls gone wild all around me. TV isnt reality no matter how much reality they inject into TV
cKGunslinger
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Originally posted by: BriGy86
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
So.. are we saying that the media doesn't cover and the American public doesn't even know about these obscure women, like Natalie Portman, Angeline Jolie, Charlize Theron, and Catherine Zeta jones?
i wouldn't say that, but there is less emphasis on them, one of the biggest examples are the shows on MTV
People still watch MTV?
If so, I'd be willing to bet the largest demographic is what? Mainly 13-16 year old teenagers? And are we suprised that brain-dead bimbos who only care about fashion, popularity, and sex-appeal are predominately featured?
This is certainly not a "new" phenomona, by any means. If anything, there is probably a lot more emphasis on the strong, independent, "not just a sex toy" woman than there has ever been throughout history.
Well, I think there is some truth in what your saying... I personally hate these reality TV shows... because there is no reality in them! LOL
you are correct in thinking this.
There is a happy medium with everything and things go wrong when there is too much of an extreme on one end or another of the spectrum.
So, my question to you OP, is how do women/girls get that sexual prowess/sexiness that is of the "classy" kind and does not fall into the raunch that is so previlent?
(please don't think i am being a smart ass asking this. I honestly would like to know)
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Originally posted by: LolaWiz
you are correct in thinking this.
There is a happy medium with everything and things go wrong when there is too much of an extreme on one end or another of the spectrum.
So, my question to you OP, is how do women/girls get that sexual prowess/sexiness that is of the "classy" kind and does not fall into the raunch that is so previlent?
(please don't think i am being a smart ass asking this. I honestly would like to know)
if you are going to show off your boobs you don't need a super mini skirt at the same time.
dont walk around with your thong hiked up outta your pants
dont engage in sexual activity in public places(unless you are doing so for thrills with a monogamous partner)
Don't Kiss n Tell
Flirt openly but you don't need to start giving a BJ on the dancefloor and talk like a penthouse letter
Don't be timid or shy
be confident
be out going
don't be self conscious.....at least when we are around
Don't bang an entire circle of friends and not expect rumors of you being a hoe to start.
i dunno i suppose there are mroe but that should get you off in the right direction
Please elaborate on your time as an escort, it's more interesting than feminism. What's the biggest umm... unit, you've ever seen?
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: CVSiN
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
1/10 I didn't even get the joke.
what joke this is a real post... this was on TV..
*sigh*
I know, I was making a joke of my own. The first line sounded like the opening of a joke. You know, ala "A rabbi, and preist, and a minister walk into a bar.."?
I was expecting an "I don't know about you, but I porked her!" punchline.
:laugh:
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: LolaWiz
you are correct in thinking this.
There is a happy medium with everything and things go wrong when there is too much of an extreme on one end or another of the spectrum.
So, my question to you OP, is how do women/girls get that sexual prowess/sexiness that is of the "classy" kind and does not fall into the raunch that is so previlent?
(please don't think i am being a smart ass asking this. I honestly would like to know)
if you are going to show off your boobs you don't need a super mini skirt at the same time.
dont walk around with your thong hiked up outta your pants
dont engage in sexual activity in public places(unless you are doing so for thrills with a monogamous partner)
Don't Kiss n Tell
Flirt openly but you don't need to start giving a BJ on the dancefloor and talk like a penthouse letter
Don't be timid or shy
be confident
be out going
don't be self conscious.....at least when we are around
Don't bang an entire circle of friends and not expect rumors of you being a hoe to start.
i dunno i suppose there are mroe but that should get you off in the right direction
I know all that stuff... i was thinking there was some secret way to act behave.
That is basic knowledge and should be known and practiced by all women/girls
Originally posted by: LolaWiz
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: LolaWiz
you are correct in thinking this.
There is a happy medium with everything and things go wrong when there is too much of an extreme on one end or another of the spectrum.
So, my question to you OP, is how do women/girls get that sexual prowess/sexiness that is of the "classy" kind and does not fall into the raunch that is so previlent?
(please don't think i am being a smart ass asking this. I honestly would like to know)
if you are going to show off your boobs you don't need a super mini skirt at the same time.
dont walk around with your thong hiked up outta your pants
dont engage in sexual activity in public places(unless you are doing so for thrills with a monogamous partner)
Don't Kiss n Tell
Flirt openly but you don't need to start giving a BJ on the dancefloor and talk like a penthouse letter
Don't be timid or shy
be confident
be out going
don't be self conscious.....at least when we are around
Don't bang an entire circle of friends and not expect rumors of you being a hoe to start.
i dunno i suppose there are mroe but that should get you off in the right direction
I know all that stuff... i was thinking there was some secret way to act behave.
That is basic knowledge and should be known and practiced by all women/girls
Unfortunately its not.
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: LolaWiz
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: LolaWiz
you are correct in thinking this.
There is a happy medium with everything and things go wrong when there is too much of an extreme on one end or another of the spectrum.
So, my question to you OP, is how do women/girls get that sexual prowess/sexiness that is of the "classy" kind and does not fall into the raunch that is so previlent?
(please don't think i am being a smart ass asking this. I honestly would like to know)
if you are going to show off your boobs you don't need a super mini skirt at the same time.
dont walk around with your thong hiked up outta your pants
dont engage in sexual activity in public places(unless you are doing so for thrills with a monogamous partner)
Don't Kiss n Tell
Flirt openly but you don't need to start giving a BJ on the dancefloor and talk like a penthouse letter
Don't be timid or shy
be confident
be out going
don't be self conscious.....at least when we are around
Don't bang an entire circle of friends and not expect rumors of you being a hoe to start.
i dunno i suppose there are mroe but that should get you off in the right direction
I know all that stuff... i was thinking there was some secret way to act behave.
That is basic knowledge and should be known and practiced by all women/girls
Unfortunately its not.
which is the point the op and the article were trying to make. But at some point these girls realize what they are doing and grow out of this "hoochie mama" phase.
PingSpike
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While I have no problem with the OP's previous profession. I do have to say I find her critical view of a few celebrities that turned their sexual escapades into massive amounts of cash rather ironic. What makes your previous actions so admirable and Paris Hilton's so deplorable? The fact that she got paid a lot more for a lot less work?
Frankly, the "art of being sexually empowered" doesn't really fly with me either, and is irrelevant. Who said that being sexually empowered was even her goal? Her goal was probably to gain celebrity status or a lot of money, and she succeeded.
Anyway, it is interesting that how many women believe being slutty is the way they have to be or something. I guess maybe they see the attention men give women that act that way and want the same. But thats a personal problem. Its not like its hard for a woman to get the attention of men, and they don't have to take their top off to do it. But don't expect them to throw money at you for standing there in the a turtle neck either! Men aren't going to pay women large amounts of money to prance around and real books to them.
Maybe the attention thing goes back to fame. Men and women want to be the person everyone wants to sleep with, the famous person usually. But you can't be famous with getting some attention. And for women, the easiest way to get a lot of people to look at you is to act slutty. There's no such thing as bad publicity. It doesn't work as well for men, or at least its not as simple to execute and get at least some marginal success.
I agree with one of gigapets point though...its not as widespread as you make it sound. I am hardly walking down the streets and seeing women flashing their breasts at me on a regular basis. Its just the few examples standout against the otherwise mundane crowd of people that well...just aren't trying to get my attention.
Frankly, the "art of being sexually empowered" doesn't really fly with me either, and is irrelevant. Who said that being sexually empowered was even her goal? Her goal was probably to gain celebrity status or a lot of money, and she succeeded.
Anyway, it is interesting that how many women believe being slutty is the way they have to be or something. I guess maybe they see the attention men give women that act that way and want the same. But thats a personal problem. Its not like its hard for a woman to get the attention of men, and they don't have to take their top off to do it. But don't expect them to throw money at you for standing there in the a turtle neck either! Men aren't going to pay women large amounts of money to prance around and real books to them.
Maybe the attention thing goes back to fame. Men and women want to be the person everyone wants to sleep with, the famous person usually. But you can't be famous with getting some attention. And for women, the easiest way to get a lot of people to look at you is to act slutty. There's no such thing as bad publicity. It doesn't work as well for men, or at least its not as simple to execute and get at least some marginal success.
I agree with one of gigapets point though...its not as widespread as you make it sound. I am hardly walking down the streets and seeing women flashing their breasts at me on a regular basis. Its just the few examples standout against the otherwise mundane crowd of people that well...just aren't trying to get my attention.
Originally posted by: Proletariat
Originally posted by: LolaWiz
Originally posted by: gigapet
Originally posted by: LolaWiz
you are correct in thinking this.
There is a happy medium with everything and things go wrong when there is too much of an extreme on one end or another of the spectrum.
So, my question to you OP, is how do women/girls get that sexual prowess/sexiness that is of the "classy" kind and does not fall into the raunch that is so previlent?
(please don't think i am being a smart ass asking this. I honestly would like to know)
if you are going to show off your boobs you don't need a super mini skirt at the same time.
dont walk around with your thong hiked up outta your pants
dont engage in sexual activity in public places(unless you are doing so for thrills with a monogamous partner)
Don't Kiss n Tell
Flirt openly but you don't need to start giving a BJ on the dancefloor and talk like a penthouse letter
Don't be timid or shy
be confident
be out going
don't be self conscious.....at least when we are around
Don't bang an entire circle of friends and not expect rumors of you being a hoe to start.
i dunno i suppose there are mroe but that should get you off in the right direction
I know all that stuff... i was thinking there was some secret way to act behave.
That is basic knowledge and should be known and practiced by all women/girls
Unfortunately its not.
There's such a thin line between what is acceptable and what is not. If a girl is one thing but not another she's somehow not deserving of respect or something..she's not "what a woman should be". Like..if a girl just happens to be a bit shy around guys..she's less desirable as a partner. Or if a girl is too confident and outgoing she's considered arrogant and obnoxious. This thin thin thin line between what is ok and what is not in a woman is totally lame.
And the double standard deal is just as bad....a girl sleeps with more than 1 guy and she's a slut...a guy sleeps with 20 girls and he's praised as a "real man". Why doesn't it make a man less of a man if he engages in sexual activity in a public place? Why is it ok when a man kisses and tells? And don't say it's not ok..cause it's clearly evident in the number of YAGT on these boards.
Good points. What I think it is, is that they see these celebs that are all dating these high status super hot super famous males. The celeb women are slutty so they think if they are slutty they to can have the high status males.
However they fail to see the obvious flaw here which is.......THEY ARE NOT FAMOUS!!!! The sluttly celebs had higher value to begin with , before their raunchy persona came to surface, when they became pop music/movie stars.
So these girls go out raunch it up for a bit then the illusion disappears when they look around and they are still not important, nor are they dating anyone of high status and they realize that the raunch factor isnt what earned the high status celeb male it was the value they had from previous success in life(percieved or real)
Meh, this isn't a personal attack, but you are 100% wrong. Escorts are attractive women that you pay to go on dates with you. It's no different than renting a Ferrari for a night on the town, you are simply using the object to change the way that people look at you. I've got nothing against the Escort business, but it certainly perpetuates the stereotype that Oprah is arguing against, and to attempt to use it to uphold the position held by those speakers in the OP is irresponsible and short-sighted.
Originally posted by: LolaWiz
you are correct in thinking this.
There is a happy medium with everything and things go wrong when there is too much of an extreme on one end or another of the spectrum.
So, my question to you OP, is how do women/girls get that sexual prowess/sexiness that is of the "classy" kind and does not fall into the raunch that is so previlent?
(please don't think i am being a smart ass asking this. I honestly would like to know)
Wow, just got back... catching up on this thread! Lola, you have it baby! It comes from within... confidence, confidence...
You can go to a bar, flirt, tease... do a sexy dance on the dance floor with a guy, without having to bare your breasts with your GF's or such... you know what I mean baby...
(however, if your in my neck of the woods look me up and we can go do some bumping and grinding at our local clubs together) =P
Well for celebrities... it is a commercial gimmick to make money. The only problem is our younger teenagers are emulating it to extremes...
Originally posted by: LolaWiz
you are correct in thinking this.
There is a happy medium with everything and things go wrong when there is too much of an extreme on one end or another of the spectrum.
So, my question to you OP, is how do women/girls get that sexual prowess/sexiness that is of the "classy" kind and does not fall into the raunch that is so previlent?
(please don't think i am being a smart ass asking this. I honestly would like to know)
A girl that dresses nicely (it can be sexy, just not a pleather mini-skirt) and is able to keep up a conversation is 1000000 times sexier than a girl that offers to go home with you the first night you meet her.
PingSpike
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The thin thin line you're talking about isn't under your control. And its not one line either, its an infinite number. Each individual is going interpret a persons actions differently. What you're really asking is "Why isn't there a single way I can act that will make everyone like me? Its not fair that some people don't like this and other people do." Trying to be everything to everyone is a waste of time because its an unacheivable goal. Just be yourself, because its easier and its no more disappointing then being something else.
The shy girl is only less desirable to some guys, the confident girl is only less desirable to some guys. You can't have them all anyway...so why not just choose?
Do you think its ok that men do those things?
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