Feetzballer Kaepernick 'protests inequality' at preseason game

[Ackmed]

His online persona changed entirely when he started to date his gf last summer, who has been very active in defending Islam. Women can change a man, and she is very attractive. He apparently supports Fidel Castro as he wears his image on a shirt. Really great guy hes supporting. Just like he can sit, he can wear just about whatever he wants in public, which is another right I fully support. Just goes to show me that his beliefs are fucked up.

 

[SNC]

If you can't relax and watch the game because someone sat quietly during the anthem, then you are the one with a problem. The world doesn't owe you conformity.

Way to pickup one thing and run with it. And yes if I'm paying for it, yes it does. You're OK because he is sitting, how about if he was standing with his right hand raised high in a sort of style, where is the line? Just because you are OK with it today, how about he takes it a bit farther? When does it start to bother you?

 

[theeedude]

Way to pickup one thing and run with it. And yes if I'm paying for it, yes it does. You're OK because he is sitting, how about if he was standing with his right hand raised high in a sort of style, where is the line? Just because you are OK with it today, how about he takes it a bit farther? When does it start to bother you?

It doesn't bother me since I don't watch sports for the anthem.

 

[SNC]

It doesn't bother me since I don't watch sports for the anthem.

Was that an attempt to answer my question or just change the position of your bar?

 

[Commodus]

Pretty good summary of the hypocrisy in some (not all) critics of Kaepernick:

You're allowed to say the country sucks if you're a business mogul making a political speech... but not if you're a football player making a symbolic protest. There's a certain hypocrisy to claiming to support the "land of the free and the home of the brave" while insisting that people conform, submit, obey. The US wouldn't even exist if it weren't for a belief in the right to dissent; why attack someone for exercising that right?

 

[HomerJS]

Pretty good summary of the hypocrisy in some (not all) critics of Kaepernick:

You're allowed to say the country sucks if you're a business mogul making a political speech... but not if you're a football player making a symbolic protest. There's a certain hypocrisy to claiming to support the "land of the free and the home of the brave" while insisting that people conform, submit, obey. The US wouldn't even exist if it weren't for a belief in the right to dissent; why attack someone for exercising that right?

CK detractors still won't get it

 

[bshole]

Pretty good summary of the hypocrisy in some (not all) critics of Kaepernick:

You're allowed to say the country sucks if you're a business mogul making a political speech... but not if you're a football player making a symbolic protest. There's a certain hypocrisy to claiming to support the "land of the free and the home of the brave" while insisting that people conform, submit, obey. The US wouldn't even exist if it weren't for a belief in the right to dissent; why attack someone for exercising that right?

Business moguls have limits to their speech. For example, there would be serious blowback to their company and themselves if they made openly bigoted statements. Notice that Trump lost some contracts early on when he made derogatory comments against Mexicans. It cost him real money.

I hate Colin Kapernick. I loathe him to my core. He denied the Packers a chance at a Super Bowl ring and that is a sin that I cannot ever forgive.

Regarding this issue, Colin is a big boy. He apparently is willing to deal with the consequences of what he said. I don't see a problem here.

I do disagree with what he said. I do not believe that the country ACTIVELY oppresses black people. That being said, more black children per capita have more significant barriers to overcome than white/Asian children. I believe it is a combination of the culture of the inner city and the abject lack of high paying unskilled jobs. Blaming America for it seems like an easy copout. It is an EXTREMELY COMPLEX (perhaps intractable) problem and simple thinking as expressed by Colin will not solve it.

That being said, here is my simple thinking solution! I would attack it by doubling the minimum wage and then tying the minimum wage to inflation. I would also limit the compensation of corporate executives to 100X the salary of their average employee. The money is pooling at top and strangling the rest of society.

 

[Commodus]

Regarding this issue, Colin is a big boy. He apparently is willing to deal with the consequences of what he said. I don't see a problem here.

I do disagree with what he said. I do not believe that the country ACTIVELY oppresses black people. That being said, more black children per capita have more significant barriers to overcome than white/Asian children. I believe it is a combination of the culture of the inner city and the abject lack of high paying unskilled jobs. Blaming America for it seems like an easy copout. It is an EXTREMELY COMPLEX (perhaps intractable) problem and simple thinking as expressed by Colin will not solve it.

That being said, here is my simple thinking solution! I would attack it by doubling the minimum wage and then tying the minimum wage to inflation. I would also limit the compensation of corporate executives to 100X the salary of their average employee. The money is pooling at top and strangling the rest of society.

I'm with Kaepernick here, because there are signs of active oppression. For example, Republicans gerrymandering districts and instituting voter ID laws that are expressly designed to limit minorities' ability to vote. Police who seem to have no problem murdering unarmed black people (even when pinned down), or randomly pulling over black drivers simply because their cars are nice (there's a running joke that they're stopped for "driving while black"). Stop-and-frisk permissions. Stores that have staff follow black people around out of an assumption that they're more likely to shoplift.

I do agree that an economic solution like hiking the minimum wage could help. Some conservatives like to parrot false claims that black people prefer welfare. Well, even if that were true (it's not), why not give them a real incentive to work? The current national minimum wage still leaves you struggling if you work full time, and it's not uncommon to see people working two or even three jobs just to make ends meet. A higher minimum wage gives you a much better reason to work, and gives you a clearer path to a college education.

 

[HomerJS]

Best retort to "he made it so he should shut up..."

Kaepernick’s true sin is his rejection of the faustian bargain offered to black people who reach elite status in America––that their success comes at the price of ceasing to criticize the racism in the system that allowed them to thrive as exceptions. Many Americans would prefer that black elites not remind them of America’s unfulfilled promise that all are created equal, but rather pretend it has already been realized, or be silent about the ways in which it has not. The only thing that would satisfy Kaepernick’s critics is apathy.

But by sitting wordlessly on the bench, Kaepernick has refused to be silent, and is now paying the price.

 

[Vic]

Pretty good summary of the hypocrisy in some (not all) critics of Kaepernick:

You're allowed to say the country sucks if you're a business mogul making a political speech... but not if you're a football player making a symbolic protest. There's a certain hypocrisy to claiming to support the "land of the free and the home of the brave" while insisting that people conform, submit, obey. The US wouldn't even exist if it weren't for a belief in the right to dissent; why attack someone for exercising that right?

Not exactly. When Trump says that America is not great, it is understood by his audience that he is implying that none of them are in anyway responsible for this purported lack of greatness. That's utter bullshit, of course, but it's what they want to hear and so they love it.

 

[Vic]

Best retort to "he made it so he should shut up..."

Although I personally believe that all this is a publicity stunt to make up for the fact that he was going to be cut from the 49ers anyway, I do believe that it casts light on some ongoing racial issues in America.
You see, when a black person fails to succeed, and is unemployed and/or engaged in criminal activity like illicit drug use, the usual talking points are that it's because they're a "loser" or a "thug," just looking to get "free stuff," and that they should be imprisoned if not shot dead in the streets. But if a white person, particularly one of certain political or religious affiliation, suffers the same fate, then that's the fault of "the economy," or the government for failing to give them a job, or Obama, etc.
Likewise, if a black person achieves but doesn't comply, then the rhetoric is (quoting Chappelle) "We never should have given you n*****s money!" as though their success was a gift from society that came with strings attached. But if white person succeeds, they're always self-made, even when they inherited every dime.
Now for sure, not everyone in America feels that way. In fact, the majority do not, and hold to the same ideals of equality of opportunity and equal protection of the laws that this great nation was founded upon. But for Trump and his supporters, the notion that some Americans are second class citizens due to accident of birth or failure to comply to a certain belief system, is simply how they choose to define the concept of "freedom."

 

[TheGardener]

He can't be worse than Buttfumble, right?


right?

We will find out. I predict that both will be out of a job in a few days. But then opportunities appear, because quarterbacks get hurt. Look at Bridgewater, who will probably be out for this year and part of next.

Sanchez won't sell any tickets, but Kaepernick might make then harder to sell.

 

[MrA79]

I think we can all relate to this - who hasn't pretended to be knowledgable to impress a woman?

'You like being an apologist for sociopathic black behavior and perennial victim hood?OMG ME TOO!'

 

[jackstar7]

I think we can all relate to this - who hasn't pretended to be knowledgable to impress a woman?

'You like being an apologist for sociopathic black behavior and perennial victim hood?OMG ME TOO!'

Rather than typing on the keyboard or your phone, just punch yourself in the dick.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I think we can all relate to this - who hasn't pretended to be knowledgable to impress a woman?

'You like being an apologist for sociopathic black behavior and perennial victim hood?OMG ME TOO!'

looks like we found ooororoooroororooroo's audience.

 

[zinfamous]

I think we can all relate to this - who hasn't pretended to be knowledgable to impress a woman?

'You like being an apologist for sociopathic black behavior and perennial victim hood?OMG ME TOO!'

lol. This^ asshole can't make a single post after a ban that isn't brazenly racist and full of self-victimhood.

 

[HomerJS]

I think we can all relate to this - who hasn't pretended to be knowledgable to impress a woman?

'You like being an apologist for sociopathic black behavior and perennial victim hood?OMG ME TOO!'

Don't you mean sociopathic half-black behavior?

 

[dainthomas]

We will find out. I predict that both will be out of a job in a few days. But then opportunities appear, because quarterbacks get hurt. Look at Bridgewater, who will probably be out for this year and part of next.

I've been a Vikings fan for years (even when they had favre), but if they took CK they'd be dead to me.

 

[agent00f]

Didn't read this thread, but I always thought it was funny the land of the free forces its kids to pledge allegiance.

 

[theeedude]

Didn't read this thread, but I always thought it was funny the land of the free forces its kids to pledge allegiance.

Not just allegiance, but subservience to God.

 

[Vic]

Didn't read this thread, but I always thought it was funny the land of the free forces its kids to pledge allegiance.

The history of the pledge is very interesting. The irony of all these neoconfederates insisting on a fealty oath to the federal government, or all these obeisance rituals to symbols of the federal government, seems to be completely lost on them.

 

[brycejones]

I think we can all relate to this - who hasn't pretended to be knowledgable to impress a woman?

'You like being an apologist for sociopathic black behavior and perennial victim hood?OMG ME TOO!'

Says the idiot who typed the word "feetzballer" are you freaking 15?

 

[TheGardener]

Didn't read this thread, but I always thought it was funny the land of the free forces its kids to pledge allegiance.

CK is an employee of a private corporation. Based on the Brady appeals court ruling, Goodell has unlimited power to suspend players. Not that Goodell will risk suspensions. It comes down to balancing public relations of outraged fans, and the risk of more players taking a similar stand. Which is starting to spread by way.

Your analogy falls far short, because you are comparing public schools to private corporations. Any one working in a private company can say what they want, and supposedly won't be jailed. No protections from a disagreeing employer firing an employee. Courts have already ruled that public school students are not required to pledge allegiance. But maybe you are not current with court rulings.

 

[Bitek]

Pretty good summary of the hypocrisy in some (not all) critics of Kaepernick:

You're allowed to say the country sucks if you're a business mogul making a political speech... but not if you're a football player making a symbolic protest. There's a certain hypocrisy to claiming to support the "land of the free and the home of the brave" while insisting that people conform, submit, obey. The US wouldn't even exist if it weren't for a belief in the right to dissent; why attack someone for exercising that right?

Alt version:

You're allowed to say this country isn't great and big govt is the problem.

If you're a minority, you're not allowed to say this country isn't great if by "big govt", you mean police. You get the label "entitled, thug, troublemaker, traitor." See Ali, NWA, Abdul Jabar, et al.

If you are white, you can even point guns at law enforcement, which gets you the label "patriots." See: Bundy's, conservative media.

If you are white, you can even say this country isn't great, and minorities are the problem. See: Donald Trump; the entire history of the US legal system upto the civil rights act (and beyond.)

 

[Bitek]

I think we can all relate to this - who hasn't pretended to be knowledgable to impress a woman?

'You like being an apologist for sociopathic black behavior and perennial victim hood?OMG ME TOO!'

Slither back to stormfront douchebag.