Yeah, 'cause if there is any group that knows how to work for what they want, it's the children of rich people. :roll:
Yeah, 'cause if there is any group that knows how to work for what they want, it's the children of rich people. :roll:
By the way, am I the only person who's DEEPLY amused whenever conservatives start lecturing people on their tendency to "react aggressively to criticism"? Because if there is one group that's perfected that particular skill, it's got to be the righties in this country.
Seeing as this is about my generation.
I say i have to agree. Most in college these days are spoiled rotten. That and in general they are total douchebags.
Their behavior is hilarious. There elitest-self centered atitude is hilarious.
All I want to say is sit down and shut the fvck up.
I say i have to agree. Most in college these days are spoiled rotten. That and in general they are total douchebags.
Their behavior is hilarious. There elitest-self centered atitude is hilarious.
All I want to say is sit down and shut the fvck up.
Its PC in schooling, not PC in general.
It is the "everyones special/winner" philosophy in teaching in K-8th. Maybe highschool too, I wouldnt know. I didnt go to high school.
For the benefit of those who actually like to think, at least in how I see thinking to be, perhaps I might say something about the psychology under attack and referred to as "self esteem".
Anybody who looks closely at people will observe that attitude determines everything. A person with a positive attitude can't be held down and one without can't be helped.
A child that is loved, supported, encouraged, given broad exposure to experience, and allowed to remain true to his or her own self nature is likely to grow up with a very positive attitude whereas a child that physically assaulted, put down, told he is worthless in millions of subtle ways will not.
You can't do much damage to a child who has positive attitude as it acquires more and more social skills and confidence in itself by putting obstacles in its path, and you can't change a child with a deeply ingrained negative attitude with some phony praise.
Self esteem is not something that can be canned and given by anybody to anybody else. It requires a positive atmosphere all round. It isn't a game and it is really quite rare in the lives of children in this world.
People who have acquired deep negative feelings about themselves are very difficult to treat, because they need to change at the deepest levels. To reach the required depth requires psychotherapy of a feeling kind. One needs to relive the source experiences that made the person hate himself which reawakens the memory of the event and causes one to relive the entire thing all over again. That is hugely painful and profoundly difficult to do. To reacquire ones true self is not a candy ass deal.
Conservatives are especially turned off by the notion of therapy because they have basically identified with whoever tortured them and now want to torture others similarly. Liberals, identifying with the victim, way underestimate the extent to which they are damaged and hope for a bandage fix. Society swings from extreme to extreme always avoiding the original pain.
Only real knowledge about the origins of self hate will save humanity from this endless karmic swing. One group of fools with endlessly argue with another.
Anybody who looks closely at people will observe that attitude determines everything. A person with a positive attitude can't be held down and one without can't be helped.
A child that is loved, supported, encouraged, given broad exposure to experience, and allowed to remain true to his or her own self nature is likely to grow up with a very positive attitude whereas a child that physically assaulted, put down, told he is worthless in millions of subtle ways will not.
You can't do much damage to a child who has positive attitude as it acquires more and more social skills and confidence in itself by putting obstacles in its path, and you can't change a child with a deeply ingrained negative attitude with some phony praise.
Self esteem is not something that can be canned and given by anybody to anybody else. It requires a positive atmosphere all round. It isn't a game and it is really quite rare in the lives of children in this world.
People who have acquired deep negative feelings about themselves are very difficult to treat, because they need to change at the deepest levels. To reach the required depth requires psychotherapy of a feeling kind. One needs to relive the source experiences that made the person hate himself which reawakens the memory of the event and causes one to relive the entire thing all over again. That is hugely painful and profoundly difficult to do. To reacquire ones true self is not a candy ass deal.
Conservatives are especially turned off by the notion of therapy because they have basically identified with whoever tortured them and now want to torture others similarly. Liberals, identifying with the victim, way underestimate the extent to which they are damaged and hope for a bandage fix. Society swings from extreme to extreme always avoiding the original pain.
Only real knowledge about the origins of self hate will save humanity from this endless karmic swing. One group of fools with endlessly argue with another.
Of course it's possible to take that attitude too far, but I also think there is some value in encouraging "value" that might not fit particular mold. Because most people DO have some value, only it isn't noticed in the "old style" schools because they're too busy getting knocked down in sports. Schooling the traditional way does a great job at turning out kids that fit a particular mold, and it's great for kids who fit that mold, but I think it does a piss-poor job for the kids who have a great role to play, just maybe not the same one as the majority of the kids. More artistic types are really poorly served by even modern education, because they don't excel at math or gym class. Does this mean we should reinforce the idea they are worthless people and whatever talent they DO have should be suppressed because it doesn't fit our idea of what an ideal student is?
Like I said, it's possible to take this too far...but I also think the backlash against this more modern idea goes too far the other way. We don't want school to tell you the best you can do is just show up, but we also don't want schools telling you you're a worthless failure unless you're just like everyone else.
PLEASE tell me people aren't trying to take meaningful conclusions from a survey that had VOLUNTARY participation for its method of "random" sampling, and then attempted to tie someone's attitudes in the middle of college to a type of teaching that is only intermittently used throughout the United States in a culture that already increasingly stresses personal accountability and achievement.
..... because that would just be silly.
This survey is junk science, and it wouldn't pass muster with any responsible statistician.
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I do not see how this report supports your conclusions or assertions.
If what they are talking about is the college kids that were in the study are more concerned about themselves over every one else then I see this as a logical conclusion to the Reagan revolution.
What I got from Reagan was that as long as me and mine get what they need screw everyone else. People who need help need to stop expecting a handout and work harder. And it is just too bad if they can not make it on their own.
I think an earlier thread on this forum supports my point. Do you remember the thread about kindergarten kids made to put their crayons in a communal pot. The OP point was that a kid had worked and it was unfair if not evil communism to force the 5 year to share the fruits of his labor. Or me first.
Also read the threads on universal health care. The arguments of the people who are against it evidently come down to why should I pay for the health care of others.
Do a search on the word "liberal" I bet 25% of the uses are in something like "Liberals want to spend my money" usually in programs to help others.
I think bringing back dodgeball and other forms of formalized grade school humiliation will reinforce this trend towards narcissism.
I disagree, based on the reactions of the American people over the last few years to events and the average intelligence of the people I've met in my lifetime I don't think you need to be a genius to fool this country into following your lead. If anything a genius would be overqualified for the task...
Well OK, then lets just say instead, then, that the Democrats who ran against Bush are real political morons.
George Bush is by definition, a political genius. He holds the highest political job in the world. He managed to project the exact image required, and create the proper conditions to become the US President. I don't care how much you hate that joker's politics, he did what nobody else could.
That's exactly what he wants you to think. His genius, as I said, is one in which everybody underestimates his abilities. Cheney and all those puppet masters are not President and Bush is the real decider. We can't even get him impeached and the troops are going to Iraq. What recent President can you point to who has accomplished so much of his agenda. You people need to wake up and smell the coffee. You blather on about what an idiot he is and meanwhile he cuts your throat and laughs as you bleed to death. Bush has a vision and his vision has changed the world. He is an idealist who has manifested his ideals. He is a tremendously capable leader. He is also the President. This is a guy that rolled the Democratic party and got them all wanting to be like him. 911, terror, Bin Laden, Iraq.
He's the most powerful person in the world and you know he's an idiot? Right, you don't see something wrong there!!!!
My point was that the children of folks who have done pretty well for themselves do not always share the same hard-working spirit. Mostly because, whatever their parents had to work for, THEY didn't have to work for anything. But they DO have the "Republican influence", telling them that they are better because their parents are well off. This creates a sense of entitlement just as strong as what you were talking about, only it's "Republican entitlement".
Why do I think this? Mostly because I grew up in a city filled with upper-middle class "Republican" kids, who, with a few exceptions, were the biggest bunch of spoiled brats I've ever met. They took what is a very valid message, "work hard to get what you want", and turned it into "you have what you want, so obviously you worked hard". You know, the kind of kids who would complain that the car they got on their 16th birthday was the wrong color, but would nevertheless look down their noses at those lazy poor people.
IMHO, if that attitude is not exactly socialistic, it's not too far away. It might just be a little more selective in who it thinks is "entitled". True socialism might say that everyone is entitled because they are a human being, while "Republican socialism" says *I'm* entitled because I'm a white Christian who grew up in a nice neighborhood, and screw everyone else.
Either he's a genius who acts like an idiot or an idiot who acts like an idiot. I truly don't think Bush is capable of deciding anything for himself, he farms everything out to the people around him which, to be fair, a certain amount is supposed to be given to, but he is supposed to make the final decision on many of these issues. I truly don't think he is, and if I'm wrong and he is making these decisions, then that means he truly is an idiot.
This is how you want to think. I think your thinking is dangerous because it constantly underestimates Bush and what he is capable of. What you call idiotic makes a lot of other people rich. Bush knows where he is going and exactly what he is doing. It's wonderful when you can't be impeached because, well, hey, the guy's an idiot. We'll just have to surrender to our fate. He who laughs last laughs best and that will be Bush. The guy's got the world by the horns and is in the saddle with the reigns in his hands.
Bush is totally clear, focused, and determined. We are road kill with lots of three legged bunnies flopping around yelling idiot.
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