Feds: Obama Broke Law with Bergdahl Swap

[Angry Irishman]

And I, personally, find it interesting that, while you are giving lip service to the concepts of a fair investigation, you continually express yourself as if you know that he is guilty. And "PC" has nothing to do with it. I thought that justice was one of the ideals that Americans are supposed to believe in. Apparently, for some of you, that's not the case.

If you have that poor an understanding of the ideals that your country claims to represent I have to ask, unless you are old enough to have been drafted, why did you serve?

Not drafted....volunteered. That's a long story but I did it for my country. It's my opinion that he's a deserter. That's really a black and white action. Also, there is a level of PC to this whole situation although there is a much greater level of politics driving this as well.

 

[Angry Irishman]

Obviously for the life long benefits it certainly wasn't based on American

Obviously... trolling and just plainly obnoxious. You're really grasping for that reaction you thrive for. I've earned those benefits regardless of your childish remarks no matter how much that pains you. Do you have anything else not useful to say (you know, beyond trolling attempts)? I do have to ask myself why I'm listening to your childish rantings at 2 AM. Night sweet heart.

 

[Jaskalas]

Let me guess, you get to determine what "good faith" is?

That's the President's discretion.

You guys seem to want impeachment as the only means to uphold the law. When in fact it doesn't even do that, and something seen as a "nuclear" option hardly seems befitting what should be a regular and commonly used procedure to test the existence and validity of our laws.

Our present system holds lawlessness at its core. There are no checks and balances against the executive if only they can enforce the law. My proposal aims to restore that proper function of government.

For example... if the President orders or allows DHS to break the law, what today can be done about that? His lackey at the DoJ shouldn't be the only person who can address it. Congress, when given mandate by the Judiciary, should have the power to hold the administration accountable.

 

[Moonbeam]

Sadly, we the public, may never see the specifics of what is presented in a military court. For one thing it may make politicians look bad and military courts are very similar but have unique processes/procedures that may restrict public access.

Bottom line though....he deserted....period. What other definition is there?

For one, there is the one that is official after a trial.

 

[Angry Irishman]

For one, there is the one that is official after a trial.

This is of course assuming he gets a trial by court martial at all. As politically charged as this situation is he may get quietly swept under the rug with a lesser punitive action as that's certainly possible. The decision to proceed is now with a four star general who may get some help with making that decision. Again, we'll all have to see.

 

[fskimospy]

I suggest the executive act in good faith as elected by the people to do so on their behalf.

The other two branches of government may be determine after the fact, if the executive broke the law and must correct their actions. Failure to correct should allow Congress, empowered by the Judiciary, to head up persecuting members of the executive below the President.

Forcing the President to appoint new cabinet members would both punish criminality and throw disarray into the executive, all the while allowing the Senate to grill new appointees on matters of importance before a vote. As a bonus, the American people would get to know exactly where their President, his cabinet, our Congressman, our Judges, and our Senators all stand on particular issues being fought over. Where everyone stands would be on public record during these proceedings.

Congress and the judiciary already have those powers through independent counsel and special prosecutors.

 

[Moonbeam]

This is of course assuming he gets a trial by court martial at all. As politically charged as this situation is he may get quietly swept under the rug with a lesser punitive action as that's certainly possible. The decision to proceed is now with a four star general who may get some help with making that decision. Again, we'll all have to see.

If there is no trial then there is no conviction and there is no person who is a traitor other than in some people's opinion.

 

[Angry Irishman]

If there is no trial then there is no conviction and there is no person who is a traitor other than in some people's opinion.

I suppose that's true. Even without a military trial he may still be subject to other punitive action.

 

[MrPickins]

lol. but as you said, that is why we have a constitution. The only way for an unconstitutional law to be changed, is to challenge it. And one must first break it, to offer the challenge.

:thumbsup:

This thread makes it pretty clear who understands how the law works and who doesn't...

 

[MrPickins]

Edit: Double post

 

[schmuckley]

And I, personally, find it interesting that, while you are giving lip service to the concepts of a fair investigation, you continually express yourself as if you know that he is guilty. And "PC" has nothing to do with it. I thought that justice was one of the ideals that Americans are supposed to believe in. Apparently, for some of you, that's not the case.

If you have that poor an understanding of the ideals that your country claims to represent I have to ask, unless you are old enough to have been drafted, why did you serve?

It is.Justice is woefully miscarried all too often nowadays.

 

[Jhhnn]

It is.Justice is woefully miscarried all too often nowadays.

Says the guy who recently used Taliban propaganda to slime Bergdahl. Post #190.

What sort of justice is there for that?

 

[schmuckley]

Slime Bergdahl?
He should face firing squad.
Pres broke law by not notifying Congress properly AND spending unallocated funds.
Like someone already said:A few decades ago it would not have been an issue.

 

[Jhhnn]

Slime Bergdahl?
He should face firing squad.
Pres broke law by not notifying Congress properly AND spending unallocated funds.
Like someone already said:A few decades ago it would not have been an issue.

And the double down on raving stupidity.

I'm gonna let the Army figure it out. He's their boy, one they probably shouldn't have taken after he washed out of basic in the CG.

 

[bshole]

Slime Bergdahl?
He should face firing squad.

Yea, that would help their recruiting efforts. We should then round up the other 20,000 deserters and execute them as well. Hey if you object to the mindless meatgrinder that your government has put you into, well we will just shoot your fucking ass baby!!

Bergdahl has suffered enough for his sin, way more than any of the other 20,000 deserters. 5 years of captivity with BEATING to boot. Only a true sadist would demand more devastation to his life.

Tens of thousands of soldiers have deserted the Army after long, drawn out deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan in dangerous conditions, but the military has proseuted just under 2,000 cases, Military.com reports.

Over 20,000 soldiers have dropped out from the ranks since 2006, but only 1,900 cases have been prosectued. In most cases, desertion is usually easy to prove. Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl has been the main poster child for Army desertion after he abandoned his unit in 2009, only to be captured by the Taliban in Afghanistan and held for five years. A preliminary investigation in 2009 determined that he had simply walked away.

Anything is possible. The case could be dropped, or on the other hand, it could proceed straight to a court martial trial. Bergdahl may even be eligible for up to $300,000 dollars worth of retroactive pay, but desertion is usually looked upon as a serious offense, and even more so in conflict zones. Death as a maximum punishment is possible, but unlikely. It’s only been used once since the Civil War by General Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1945.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/12/26/tens-of-thousands-of-troops-deserting-army-barely-prosecutes/

 

[Londo_Jowo]

According to a retired officer Bergdahl will be charged and tried for desertion.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/26/bowe-bergdahl-be-charged-desertion-retired-officer/

Bowe Bergdahl to be charged with desertion, retired officer tells Fox

I have to wonder if he'll join Bradley Manning at Ft Leavenworth.

 

[boomerang]

I have to wonder if he'll join Bradley Manning at Ft Leavenworth.

Bergdahl wants a sex change too?

 

[schmuckley]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2425907

Eat it,everyone that said it would not be so

aka Jhhnn:

Says the guy who recently used Taliban propaganda to slime Bergdahl. Post #190.

What sort of justice is there for that?

ZomY! The deserter got "slimed" STFU.

Victorian Gray:

So, again, you don't know what happened but he's a deserter anyway.

Ok, I don't have the energy to spare. Merry Xmas.

What happened was the turd walked off his post to seek out the enemy and chill with them.
What do you two douchebags have to say for yourselves now,aye?
Of notable mention: Ivwshane.
Let's see you fucktards try to spin this.Fucking shill turds.
All of you were wrong in multiple ways on all counts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...e-missing-u-s-soldier-charged-with-desertion/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bowe-bergdahl-to-be-charged-with-desertion-his-attorney-says/

http://news.yahoo.com/us-military-announcement-bergdahl-case-175625178--politics.html

 

[ivwshane]

What you are too fucking stupid to realize is that this doesn't go against what either of them said. What your puny little brain fails to comprehend is that, in America, justice is served by the courts and, again, here in America people are considered innocent until proven guilty.

Are you American schmuck? Do subscribe to American principals? Then maybe you should act like it

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2425907

Eat it,everyone that said it would not be so

aka Jhhnn:



ZomY! The deserter got "slimed" STFU.

Victorian Gray:

What happened was the turd walked off his post to seek out the enemy and chill with them.
What do you two douchebags have to say for yourselves now,aye?
Of notable mention: Ivwshane.
Let's see you fucktards try to spin this.Fucking shill turds.
All of you were wrong in multiple ways on all counts.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...e-missing-u-s-soldier-charged-with-desertion/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bowe-bergdahl-to-be-charged-with-desertion-his-attorney-says/

http://news.yahoo.com/us-military-announcement-bergdahl-case-175625178--politics.html

 

[pcgeek11]

Not guilty yet. However I feel like they must have some pretty good evidence to support the charges or it wouldn't have gotten this far. Esp considering how the White House feels about it.

They did the right thing in getting him back to the US. After all he was a US Serviceman... sort of anyway. The price that was paid was too much IMO.

 

[schmuckley]

What you are too fucking stupid to realize is that this doesn't go against what either of them said. What your puny little brain fails to comprehend is that, in America, justice is served by the courts and, again, here in America people are considered innocent until proven guilty.

Are you American schmuck? Do subscribe to American principals? Then maybe you should act like it

Says the guy that posted this:

Terrorist leaders? Lol! How's the koolaid taste?!


http://m.aljazeera.com/story/201461420842718661

Releasing five of the worst enemies to the US?

Lol! I hope Santa brings you a paragraph and a brain this Christmas!

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/31/us/ber...amo-detainees/

Calling these guys the worst enemies to the US is a stretch by any imagination.

5 sworn enemies of the US.
They were terrorist leaders.
You know what used to happen to people that deserted in wartime? They got shot..on the spot.

You have a lot of gall calling somebody "fucking stupid"
Of course..you do believe you are smarter than everybody else..and they'll actually buy into your bullshit spinning,deflecting, and insulting.
I believe that most people don't/won't.
Most people have a good dose of sense.
PS: I guarantee my IQ is higher than yours.
I learned a long time ago to speak to people plainly in words everyone can understand,or else you come off like Cerpin Taxt.

 

[ivwshane]

Funny how you posted a link but didn't bother reading it. Can you quote the part of the article that calls these guys terrorists?

You are indeed a stupid mfer! You are easily manipulated as evident by every single one of your posts.

Careful now, I wouldn't want you to get foam, from all that rage, on your keyboard.

Lol! Idiot!

Says the guy that posted this:


Releasing five of the worst enemies to the US?

Lol! I hope Santa brings you a paragraph and a brain this Christmas!

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/31/us/ber...amo-detainees/

Calling these guys the worst enemies to the US is a stretch by any imagination.

5 sworn enemies of the US.
They were terrorist leaders.
You know what used to happen to people that deserted in wartime? They got shot..on the spot.

You have a lot of gall calling somebody "fucking stupid"
Of course..you do believe you are smarter than everybody else..and they'll actually buy into your bullshit spinning,deflecting, and insulting.
I believe that most people don't/won't.
Most people have a good dose of sense.
PS: I guarantee my IQ higher than yours.
I learned a long time ago to speak to people plainly in words everyone can understand,or else you come off like Cerpin Taxt.

 

[werepossum]

Not guilty yet. However I feel like they must have some pretty good evidence to support the charges or it wouldn't have gotten this far. Esp considering how the White House feels about it.

They did the right thing in getting him back to the US. After all he was a US Serviceman... sort of anyway. The price that was paid was too much IMO.

Agreed on all of this. As to the price . . . They know their relative worth as well as do we. Five of their leaders for one US deserter seems about right.

Funny how you posted a link but didn't bother reading it. Can you quote the part of the article that calls these guys terrorists?

You are indeed a stupid mfer! You are easily manipulated as evident by every single one of your posts.

Careful now, I wouldn't want you to get foam, from all that rage, on your keyboard.

Lol! Idiot!

Yeah, no doubt they were there for selling loose cigarettes.

 

[Vic]

It is IMO a sad testament to the fear and partisanship that drives our political landscape when we bring one of our boys home and 'the price was too high.'

 

[schmuckley]

Here's the guys Obama released for Bergdahl the Defector without notifying Congress:

1) Ibrahim Bin Shakaran
http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2014/04/former_guantanamo_de_2.php

The rest are listed here:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/05/what-the-u-s-gave-up-to-get-sgt-bowe-bergdahl-back/

You'll notice they only have 4 on this page.

It's think it's funny how they omitted the 1st guy
..actually it's pretty sad.