Feds bust world's largest marijuana dispensary

[DaveSimmons]

Legalize it, tax it heavily like cigarettes, end the drug war madness. Prohibition only benefits criminals, law enforcement and for-profit jails not society.

I don't use drugs other than caffeine, but I dislike how the war on drugs harms society. We get increased crime and illegal immigration, collateral damage from drug raids on the wrong houses and from shootouts, lives ruined from being sent to prison for victimless crimes.

 

[Ns1]

in the thousands of years that humans have been smoking marijuana, ZERO have died. and nobody went crazy off it either. i would be the LD rate of crayola crayons is higher then pot.

You can't change some people's opinions. I'll just c/p what somebody else posted in another thread to bring up the ridiculousness of the anti-mj crowd

The danger exists in the first hour after smoking pot, Mittleman told an American Heart Association meeting in San Diego today (March 2). "[marijuana] causes the heart rate to increase by about 40 beats a minute," he says. "Blood pressure increases then abruptly falls when the person stands up. This could precipitate a heart attack."
Mittleman noted that, as an immediate trigger for heart attack, pot smoking is nearly twice as dangerous as sex for a sedentary person, exercise for a fit male or female, a tantrum of rage, or a bout of anxiety. But it’s less risky than a spurt of exercise for a couch potato or a snort of cocaine.

That's right, you'll DIE from smoking marijuana and standing up. DON'T SMOKE MARIJUANA WHILE SITTING, YOU MAY DIE WHILE TRYING TO RE-ALIGN YOURSELF INTO A VERTICAL POSITION

marijuana makes you hold onto bad feelings and turn into a serial killer. This is why it's schedule 1 and every person caught smoking it should be castrated.

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You can't win when people believe this stuff.

 

[desy]

I didn't say it will kill you, but it ISN'T benign either
It will have a lot of the same detrimental efffects as alcohol or cigs or prescription pills.

Choices can be made when you are an adult, I find 'the it will never hurt you crowd' as obnoxious as the frantic hand wringing crowd

 

[wirednuts]

I didn't say it will kill you, but it ISN'T benign either
It will have a lot of the same detrimental efffects as alcohol or cigs or prescription pills.

can you go get learned on what you talk about before you talk? holy shit man, if you believe that then there is a whole world out there you havent seen. open your windows, you can actually see things happening and then you know those things are fact.

we need to keep the argument scientific. marijuana is non toxic. every other bottle of medicine in your bathroom IS. so is your cigs and alcohol. and the absolute whole argument is just this- marijuana is NOT a schedule I drug. period. there is no arguing that. it is on the list for bull$$$hit reasons and MILLIONS of people have been suffering greatly because of it. it needs to change.

 

[Ns1]

I didn't say it will kill you, but it ISN'T benign either
It will have a lot of the same detrimental efffects as alcohol or cigs or prescription pills.

many legal things have detrimental effects and as adults we should be able to pick and choose.

 

[nobodyknows]

Over 100,000 need MMJ to keep there lives normal from that facility alone. 😕 in the greater bay area? An awfully lot of unhealhty people must live in that area.

Some quacks must have tired hands writing out all those bogus prescriptions.

I don't see a direct correlation between how many people the facility serves and how many live close by? They could be coming there from 100 miles away, no?

 

[desy]

I'm pretty much sure that what this sentance means

"Choices can be made when you are an adult,"

You get educated, like I said, Obnoxious

http://www.livestrong.com/article/161024-what-are-the-medical-dangers-of-marijuana-use/

http://www.dailystrength.org/health_blogs/dr-orrange/article/is-smoking-pot-really-bad-for-you

Doesn't seem like its a consequence free endevour to me, All I ever said is that it is about as dangerous as a lot of legal drug choices we get to make everyday

 

[cybrsage]

Actually it's not illegal. Possessing pot is what's against the law.

AFAIK, having any in your system counts as a DUI right now. Could be wrong, though. Regardless of the current state, I personally cannot support legalizing it until a reliable test is created to show you are currently under the influence of pot if you are caught driving while under the influence of pot.

 

[bfdd]

Fuck the FEDS coming after our cash crop!

 

[Tom]

and for those who are worried about stoned drivers... youre already dealing with that on a colossal basis. theres a reason cops are NOT that worried about stoned drivers- they simply arent that dangerous. its nothing like alcohol or cell phones. im not saying people SHOULD go out driving high, but i get annoyed when people treat it like its the end of the world.

I had a stoned guy head-on me after he went left of center on a residential street.

your position that it isn't the end of the world is not right, I'm certain that a fair number of people die each year because of stoned drivers.

Death is the end of the world for the deceased.

 

[DaveSimmons]

AFAIK, having any in your system counts as a DUI right now. Could be wrong, though. Regardless of the current state, I personally cannot support legalizing it until a reliable test is created to show you are currently under the influence of pot if you are caught driving while under the influence of pot.

That's a valid point, though I have no idea how easy or hard it would be to create cheap breathalyzers or instant blood testers that would detect drug levels.

I do know the war on drugs is harming society, probably more than any increase in pot-addled driving that legalization might cause.

 

[Anubis]

I had a stoned guy head-on me after he went left of center on a residential street.

your position that it isn't the end of the world is not right, I'm certain that a fair number of people die each year because of stoned drivers.

Death is the end of the world for the deceased.

and a substantially larger number of people are killed by sober people who cant drive. this really is a non issue

we give px painkillers to people and let them drive all they want, and they have much larger effects on reaction time and cognitive function vs weed

 

[hal2kilo]

and a substantially larger number of people are killed by sober people who cant drive. this really is a non issue

we give px painkillers to people and let them drive all they want, and they have much larger effects on reaction time and cognitive function vs weed

At least in my state you can definately get a DUI for driving under the influence of prescription medicine.

 

[Anubis]

i think in most states you can but it happens as often as someone getting one for being high on weed IE never

 

[cybrsage]

That's a valid point, though I have no idea how easy or hard it would be to create cheap breathalyzers or instant blood testers that would detect drug levels.

I do know the war on drugs is harming society, probably more than any increase in pot-addled driving that legalization might cause.

Legalizing pot will not stop the war on drugs. It would be stupid to legalize things such as meth, cocaine, heroin...so they will continue to be fought against.

 

[cybrsage]

and a substantially larger number of people are killed by sober people who cant drive. this really is a non issue

DUI is a terrible thing and you claim making it worse is a non-issue?

 

[xj0hnx]

its a HUGE issue actually, they just busted a bunch of people in florida last month that were selling like 200k+ pills a month. and opiates are a lot fing worse for you then weed

Actually opiates are not worse for you than weed, BUT the problem with them is that they are extremely addictive, and form very real physical dependence. The physical harm is from things like heroin that is made in clandestine labs with who knows what harmful substances. If production were regulated through real laboratories the harmful nature would be exponentially lessened, and then they could work on curing the physical dependence problem.

 

[xj0hnx]

Legalizing pot will not stop the war on drugs. It would be stupid to legalize things such as meth, cocaine, heroin...so they will continue to be fought against.

It wouldn't be stupid, it would be good. The majority of problems associated with harder drugs comes from them being illegal in he first place, and the behavior of those that are addicted to them, and the fact that their production is not regulated so physical harm comes from the terrible things that are put in them. If they were legalized they would be a lot safer, and we could deal with the addition issues in a real way instead of hiding it away like we do now. The simple fact is that people's behavior on hard drugs is no worse than people's behavior on alcohol. Really what would be the difference between someone going to Walgreen's and getting a gram of coke, and some heroin, and sitting in their house and getting high, and someone getting a bottle of Night train and sitting in their house getting drunk?

 

[xj0hnx]

DUI is a terrible thing and you claim making it worse is a non-issue?

To claim it would make it worse would imply that it isn't bad now. People already do drugs and drive everyday, lot of them. People act like if drugs were legalized that the numbers doing them would explode, this is just not true. Would you go out and do some coke tomorrow if it became legal tonight? No, and neither would most people.

 

[Ns1]

Really what would be the difference between someone going to Walgreen's and getting a gram of coke, and some heroin, and sitting in their house and getting high, and someone getting a bottle of Night train and sitting in their house getting drunk?

obligatory "one is illegal and one is not"

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[Wreckem]

The vast majority of "medical marijuana" patients in California are perfectly healthy.

Don't get me wrong, I think that the War on Drugs is the ultimate example of failed big government but let's not pretend that medical MJ in CA is actually about helping sick people.

Someone with chronic pain is better off smoking medical mj than taking opiate based prescription narcotics. A good deal of medicinal mj users have pain issues.

Pain management in the country is fucked up. Some Dr's will prescribe you hardcore addictive prescription narcotics that most get hooked on. Others won't give you a damn thing. All when medical mj works better than most/all of the prescription narcotics and OTC meds.

There is no f'ing way mj should remain schedule 1. Some of these opiate based prescription drugs should be though. How they were ever approved I don't know.

And honestly lobbying money from Big Pharma and the Cotton/Paper/Timber industries is why marijuana remains schedule 1 and illegal.

Its funny how the DEA is busting down doors in Cali, but Congress just recently allowed Washington D.C. to have medical marijuana. You can bet the DEA doesn't step foot in any Washington D.C. dispensary.

 

[xj0hnx]

Someone with chronic pain is better off smoking medical mj than taking opiate based prescription narcotics. A good deal of medicinal mj users have pain issues.

Pain management in the country is fucked up. Some Dr's will prescribe you hardcore addictive prescription narcotics that most get hooked on. Others won't give you a damn thing. All when medical mj works better than most/all of the prescription narcotics and OTC meds.

While I agree with your sentiment, this is simply not true. There are many different kinds of pain, and pot most certainly doesn't work on all of them. While I support the complete legalization of all drugs, I personally believe the MMJ industry is mostly a sham to get more people legal weed. Don't get me wrong, there are a LOT of people that it does help, and it does have a lot of different medical uses, but I personally know too many people that use medical weed that don't do it for any other reason than recreation.

And I COMPLETELY agree with your assessment of pain managment in this country, it is absolutely horrendous.

There is no f'ing way mj should remain schedule 1. Some of these opiate based prescription drugs should be though. How they were ever approved I don't know.

Schedule I means that it has no medical use, not how strong it is, or dangerous.

And honestly lobbying money from Big Pharma and the Cotton/Paper/Timber industries is why marijuana remains schedule 1 and illegal.

Its funny how the DEA is busting down doors in Cali, but Congress just recently allowed Washington D.C. to have medical marijuana. You can bet the DEA doesn't step foot in any Washington D.C. dispensary.

+1

 

[xj0hnx]

obligatory "one is illegal and one is not"

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What's sad is that this is a lot of people's only reason for thinking drugs are bad.

Drugs are illegal because they are bad, drugs are bad because they are illegal.

 

[Ns1]

While I agree with your sentiment, this is simply not true. There are many different kinds of pain, and pot most certainly doesn't work on all of them. While I support the complete legalization of all drugs, I personally believe the MMJ industry is mostly a sham to get more people legal weed. Don't get me wrong, there are a LOT of people that it does help, and it does have a lot of different medical uses, but I personally know too many people that use medical weed that don't do it for any other reason than recreation.

Prescription pain meds don't work on all pain either. It should at least be an option.

Also prescription med side effects are FUCKED UP compared to MMJ

 

[Ns1]

What's sad is that this is a lot of people's only reason for thinking drugs are bad.

Drugs are illegal because they are bad, drugs are bad because they are illegal.

Yep. Can't argue against irrefutable circular reference.