http://www.kten.com/Global/story.asp?S=5803354
Article from Denver
Sounds good to me. Get these criminals out of my country.
Article from Denver
Sounds good to me. Get these criminals out of my country.
Federal raid under way at Swift & Co. plants
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techs
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It's good what they are doing.
Yet, it is far too little to have any effect.
In fact, it is probably just some p.r. to make it look like the government is doing something.
What are there, like 10 million illegals?
And they are going to catch maybe 100?
More than they catch will come into the US that same day.
Yet, it is far too little to have any effect.
In fact, it is probably just some p.r. to make it look like the government is doing something.
What are there, like 10 million illegals?
And they are going to catch maybe 100?
More than they catch will come into the US that same day.
frostedflakes
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It doesn't even sound like they care so much that they're illegal, just that they've stolen US citizen's identities.
Feel free to live illegally in our country, just don't steal our identities?
Feel free to live illegally in our country, just don't steal our identities?
feralkid
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Yes but if Swift hadn't hired illegals, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Going after the employers is the only effective solution, and make no mistake here, Swift knows it is hiring illegals.
Btw, "Stealing Identities" is dramarama for "making up a Social Security number, which unintentionally was a match with an existing account".
Thump553
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About time the governement goes after the employers.
Put some real sanctions on the employers and the illegal immigration problem would be over almost immediately. Like so many things, it's a matter of supply and demand, cost and benefit. Make the costs associated with hiring illegals and the practice would dry up.
I was watching a TV show on butchers a few weeks back that said the average hourly wage has been cut by more than half in the last decade due to all the illegal employment in meat packing firms.
Put some real sanctions on the employers and the illegal immigration problem would be over almost immediately. Like so many things, it's a matter of supply and demand, cost and benefit. Make the costs associated with hiring illegals and the practice would dry up.
I was watching a TV show on butchers a few weeks back that said the average hourly wage has been cut by more than half in the last decade due to all the illegal employment in meat packing firms.
Jaskalas
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As Michelle Malkin says:
These raids are like throwing a stone into the ocean and trying to see if some distant land notices the ripple. As others have said, on day the raids took place more people entered this country.
Soon they will all be legal, after that come the voting rights.
These raids are like throwing a stone into the ocean and trying to see if some distant land notices the ripple. As others have said, on day the raids took place more people entered this country.
Soon they will all be legal, after that come the voting rights.
I'm wondering why they even bothered stealing them in the first place, you can just make up a fake number, they don't check.
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I guarantee you this will be reversed in 6 months. The meat packing industry will scream so loud that the legislator's heads will explode.
blackangst1
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By this reasonong, why prosecute ANY crime at all? I mean, most rapists never get caught...most killers never get caught....most drug peddlers never get caught....most molesters never get caught.....
blackangst1
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Well, not most:
Unsolved murders in USA from 2005: 38% (per FBI)
http://ask.yahoo.com/20060531.html
Unsolved rapes in 2005: 59% of reported cases
http://www.newsday.com/news/printeditio...ny-uscrim194897747sep19,0,978636.story
Shall I go on?
BoomerD
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Updating this thread....
Immigration probe snares nearly 1,300
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - An immigration sweep of meat plants in six states resulted in nearly 1,300 arrests of illegal immigrants, federal officials said on Wednesday.
The sweep on Tuesday, temporarily shutting down the Swift & Co. facilities, was part of a 10-month investigation into identity theft involving illegal immigrants.
Swift, based in Greeley, Colorado, is privately held and is a major producer of beef and pork, with $9 billion in annual sales. The plants are in Colorado, Nebraska, Texas, Utah, Iowa and Minnesota.
The Immigration and Customs Enforcement put the number of arrests at 1,282 and said they included individuals from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Peru, Laos, Sudan and Ethiopia.
Again, this is a mere drop in the bucket, but damn, it's a good start. Now, they need to hit Swift with some HEAVY fines for hiring these illegal workers. Unless.until we start penalizing the employers that hire the illegals, we'll never slow it down, let alone stop it...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061213/ts_nm/immigration_swift_usa_dc_5
Immigration probe snares nearly 1,300
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - An immigration sweep of meat plants in six states resulted in nearly 1,300 arrests of illegal immigrants, federal officials said on Wednesday.
The sweep on Tuesday, temporarily shutting down the Swift & Co. facilities, was part of a 10-month investigation into identity theft involving illegal immigrants.
Swift, based in Greeley, Colorado, is privately held and is a major producer of beef and pork, with $9 billion in annual sales. The plants are in Colorado, Nebraska, Texas, Utah, Iowa and Minnesota.
The Immigration and Customs Enforcement put the number of arrests at 1,282 and said they included individuals from Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Peru, Laos, Sudan and Ethiopia.
Again, this is a mere drop in the bucket, but damn, it's a good start. Now, they need to hit Swift with some HEAVY fines for hiring these illegal workers. Unless.until we start penalizing the employers that hire the illegals, we'll never slow it down, let alone stop it...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061213/ts_nm/immigration_swift_usa_dc_5
BoomerD
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Yet ANOTHER story on this...
Government sees links in identity theft, illegal workers
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A day after federal agents netted 1,300 meat plant workers in the largest immigration sweep in U.S. history, federal officials pledged on Wednesday to continue their crackdown on illegal workers and identity theft.
"This is going to be a deterrent to illegal workers ... We're going to try to make it inhospitable to break the law here," Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said.
Federal officials said they intend to focus law enforcement effort nationwide on criminal rings that make fake documents like drivers licenses, Social Security cards and birth certificates and traffic in stolen documents.
The sweep on Tuesday, temporarily shutting down the Swift & Co. meat plants in six states, was the culmination of "Operation Wagon Train," a 10-month investigation into alleged illegal aliens using fake documents, and in some cases documents belonging to real people, to get jobs at the plants.
More than 1,280 workers were arrested in the raids in Colorado, Nebraska, Texas, Utah, Iowa, and Minnesota. Most will face administrative immigration charges, but 65 face more serious charges of identity theft.
Chertoff said the arrested workers from Mexico, Guatemala, and countries as far away as Sudan were being held at federal and state detention centers around the country.
The government in recent years has stepped up the crackdown illegal immigration with raids of factories, construction sites and farms. In 2002, around 500 people were arrested in workplace raids; by fiscal year 2006, that topped 4,000.
ID THEFT GROWING
Julie Myers, assistant secretary of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said that fraudulent documents have long been a problem in the workplace, but the use of real, stolen documents is a newer, more worrying trend. Identity theft is now the fastest-growing crime in the country, she said.
"This case illustrates that illegal immigration may be a driving force" behind that trend, Myers said.
Colorado-based Swift, a privately held U.S. producer of beef and pork with $9 billion in annual sales, has participated in a program to verify workers' documents against a national database. Swift criticized the raids on Tuesday, saying they violated government agreements on the pilot program.
Participation in that program in what officials deem "good faith" protects a company from prosecution in this kind of case. Myers said the government has not charged Swift with any crime, but would not confirm that it would not do so.
Advocates of tougher immigration enforcement broadly supported the coordinated raids, but said more were needed.
"Everyone agrees that the centerpiece of immigration enforcement has to be at the workplace, so it is good to see that they are doing this," said Steven Camarota of the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington. But Tuesday's raid was just a "drop in the ocean," he said.
Union officials condemned what they saw as an unnecessarily rough raid and for singling out Latino workers.
"We're trying to criminalize the real victims here, who are just trying to find a better life," said Mark Lauritsen, a United Food & Commercial Workers International Union officer.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061213/ts_nm/immigration_swift_usa_dc_7
So, what is the cause behind this big push to make it look like they're actually doing something about illegals? Is it just the accusations of identity theft? OR, are the Bushies trying to make the sheeple think they're actually cracking down on both illegal immigration and identity theft? The Bushies and their Congress haven't exactly been big on cracking down on the illegals, since much of their donor base depends on their cheap labor...
Government sees links in identity theft, illegal workers
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A day after federal agents netted 1,300 meat plant workers in the largest immigration sweep in U.S. history, federal officials pledged on Wednesday to continue their crackdown on illegal workers and identity theft.
"This is going to be a deterrent to illegal workers ... We're going to try to make it inhospitable to break the law here," Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said.
Federal officials said they intend to focus law enforcement effort nationwide on criminal rings that make fake documents like drivers licenses, Social Security cards and birth certificates and traffic in stolen documents.
The sweep on Tuesday, temporarily shutting down the Swift & Co. meat plants in six states, was the culmination of "Operation Wagon Train," a 10-month investigation into alleged illegal aliens using fake documents, and in some cases documents belonging to real people, to get jobs at the plants.
More than 1,280 workers were arrested in the raids in Colorado, Nebraska, Texas, Utah, Iowa, and Minnesota. Most will face administrative immigration charges, but 65 face more serious charges of identity theft.
Chertoff said the arrested workers from Mexico, Guatemala, and countries as far away as Sudan were being held at federal and state detention centers around the country.
The government in recent years has stepped up the crackdown illegal immigration with raids of factories, construction sites and farms. In 2002, around 500 people were arrested in workplace raids; by fiscal year 2006, that topped 4,000.
ID THEFT GROWING
Julie Myers, assistant secretary of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said that fraudulent documents have long been a problem in the workplace, but the use of real, stolen documents is a newer, more worrying trend. Identity theft is now the fastest-growing crime in the country, she said.
"This case illustrates that illegal immigration may be a driving force" behind that trend, Myers said.
Colorado-based Swift, a privately held U.S. producer of beef and pork with $9 billion in annual sales, has participated in a program to verify workers' documents against a national database. Swift criticized the raids on Tuesday, saying they violated government agreements on the pilot program.
Participation in that program in what officials deem "good faith" protects a company from prosecution in this kind of case. Myers said the government has not charged Swift with any crime, but would not confirm that it would not do so.
Advocates of tougher immigration enforcement broadly supported the coordinated raids, but said more were needed.
"Everyone agrees that the centerpiece of immigration enforcement has to be at the workplace, so it is good to see that they are doing this," said Steven Camarota of the Center for Immigration Studies in Washington. But Tuesday's raid was just a "drop in the ocean," he said.
Union officials condemned what they saw as an unnecessarily rough raid and for singling out Latino workers.
"We're trying to criminalize the real victims here, who are just trying to find a better life," said Mark Lauritsen, a United Food & Commercial Workers International Union officer.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061213/ts_nm/immigration_swift_usa_dc_7
So, what is the cause behind this big push to make it look like they're actually doing something about illegals? Is it just the accusations of identity theft? OR, are the Bushies trying to make the sheeple think they're actually cracking down on both illegal immigration and identity theft? The Bushies and their Congress haven't exactly been big on cracking down on the illegals, since much of their donor base depends on their cheap labor...
Everybody likes cheap labor..... except of course cheap labor.
Both sides of the aisle know real Americans are fed up with this crap, so I think this is mostly just a grandstanding stunt to make it look like "their side" is actually doing something about it.
I mean, 4000 people caught out of 20 million?? At that rate it will take 5000 years to catch all the illegals.
Both sides of the aisle know real Americans are fed up with this crap, so I think this is mostly just a grandstanding stunt to make it look like "their side" is actually doing something about it.
I mean, 4000 people caught out of 20 million?? At that rate it will take 5000 years to catch all the illegals.
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