Federal judge rules "intelligent design"... UPDATE

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: fierydemise

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: fierydemise
GoPackGo what is your problem with evolution?

(fade to Sprokets)

Darwin's Burden ...

"Monkey Monkey, where is the Monkey"

I'm sorry I don't get what you're saying, will you restate it in a more straight forward manner

Have you ever seen SNL? Mike Meyers as Dieter host of "sprokets"
it was a song on the show called "Darwins Burden" (oops)

The words went to an industrial beat "Monkey Monkey Where is the Monkey?"

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: fierydemise

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: fierydemise
GoPackGo what is your problem with evolution?

(fade to Sprokets)

Darwin's Burden ...

"Monkey Monkey, where is the Monkey"

I'm sorry I don't get what you're saying, will you restate it in a more straight forward manner

Have you ever seen SNL? Mike Meyers as Dieter host of "sprokets"
it was a song on the show called "Darwins Monkey"

The words went to an industrial beat "Monkey Monkey Where is the Monkey?"

I have'nt seen the SNL sketch you're talking about

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: fierydemise

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: fierydemise

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: fierydemise
GoPackGo what is your problem with evolution?

(fade to Sprokets)

Darwin's Burden ...

"Monkey Monkey, where is the Monkey"

I'm sorry I don't get what you're saying, will you restate it in a more straight forward manner

Have you ever seen SNL? Mike Meyers as Dieter host of "sprokets"
it was a song on the show called "Darwins Monkey"

The words went to an industrial beat "Monkey Monkey Where is the Monkey?"

I have'nt seen the SNL sketch you're talking about

Too bad...early 90s SNL...good times!!

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Too bad...early 90s SNL...good times!!

Ok thats nice, but you still haven't answered my question, what is you're problem with evolution?

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: fierydemise

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Too bad...early 90s SNL...good times!!

Ok thats nice, but you still haven't answered my question, what is you're problem with evolution?

To the believers of evolution its almost a religion to them.

Some are so arrogant that they think they have solved many of lifes riddles in the last hundred years or so.

Evolution is a theory. Its not proven to the extent that they can call it a Law.

Otherwise it would be the Law of Evolution. They can't go back in time and observe and therefore its not.

For human evolution to occur it would require a monster miracle. Either you assume that different isolated clans of monkeys evolved separtely into the different races or they all came from the same clan then broke off into their own parts of the world remain isolated from one another for millions of more years.

If the clans of monkey would have been intermixed for millions of years so would the gene pool. Therefore you would have a one huge mixed race instead of all the varying ones you still have today.

Within the varying races each one has to come up with their own language system based on location. If tribe one and tribe two met, odds are they would not come up with the same language.

Right now we have many species of monkeys and apes, however their is only one species of humans

And by the way. I am not discounting evolution completely I am just saying there are more questions than answers.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Too bad...early 90s SNL...good times!!

Evolution is a theory. [/quote]
Do I really need to beat you with a dictionary?

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
For human evolution to occur it would require a monster miracle.

Or just a really really long time. Oh wait... it did.

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Either you assume that different isolated clans of monkeys evolved separtely into the different races or they all came from the same clan then broke off into their own parts of the world remain isolated from one another for millions of more years.

If the clans of monkey would have been intermixed for millions of years so would the gene pool. Therefore you would have a one huge mixed race instead of all the varying ones you still have today.

Within the varying races each one has to come up with their own language system based on location. If tribe one and tribe two met, odds are they would not come up with the same language.

Right now we have many species of monkeys and apes, however their is only one species of humans

Yeah... in order to continue this debate, I'd advise you to read up on natural selection, speciation, and genetics. Figure we'll continue this in ehh... 3 years.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Too bad...early 90s SNL...good times!!

Evolution is a theory.

Do I really need to beat you with a dictionary?

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
For human evolution to occur it would require a monster miracle.

Or just a really really long time. Oh wait... it did.

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Either you assume that different isolated clans of monkeys evolved separtely into the different races or they all came from the same clan then broke off into their own parts of the world remain isolated from one another for millions of more years.

If the clans of monkey would have been intermixed for millions of years so would the gene pool. Therefore you would have a one huge mixed race instead of all the varying ones you still have today.

Within the varying races each one has to come up with their own language system based on location. If tribe one and tribe two met, odds are they would not come up with the same language.

Right now we have many species of monkeys and apes, however their is only one species of humans

Yeah... in order to continue this debate, I'd advise you to read up on natural selection, speciation, and genetics. Figure we'll continue this in ehh... 3 years.[/quote]

Perhaps you should study societies, clan organization, etc...so you can understand how quickly we would be and are going to be all melted into one race in the next few hundred years. It will take a millenium to undo what nature took billions of years to make.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Perhaps you should study societies, clan organization, etc...so you can understand how quickly we would be and are going to be all melted into one race in the next few hundred years. It will take a millenium to undo what nature took billions of years to make.

Yeah... that's cause it takes <24 hours to get anywhere on Earth today. Five thousand years ago it was a miracle if a person traveled >50 miles from the spot they were born... ever.

Plus there were a lot fewer people.

 

[Future Shock]

GoPackGo,
Forget studying the science textbooks for 3 years. Instead, I REALLY invite/beg/plead/ask/cojole you to read Bill Bryson's "A Short History of Nearly Everything". In it's middle chapters it VERY convincingly links in evolution, genetics, biology, geology, etc for a few hundred pages...bringing it all down to a level that anyone can read, and MOST importantly linking all of these disciplines together (which their individual textbooks are not so great at). It has a good bibliography of his source materials too.

Try it, you'll like it...

Future Shock

 

[1prophet]

Why are these so called christian groups trying to justify God by mixing His foolishness with the wisdom of the world?

Can they not see that God will have no part in it and the world will mock them and defeat them in the courts?

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: 1prophet
Why are these so called christian groups trying to justify God by mixing His foolishness with the wisdom of the world?

Can they not see that God will have no part in it and the world will mock them and defeat them in the courts?

Actually, I think that those fighting against evolution are insulting God. They essentially claim that God isn't great enough to have created a set of universal rules under which everything living came about.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: 1prophet
Why are these so called christian groups trying to justify God by mixing His foolishness with the wisdom of the world?

Can they not see that God will have no part in it and the world will mock them and defeat them in the courts?

Actually, I think that those fighting against evolution are insulting God. They essentially claim that God isn't great enough to have created a set of universal rules under which everything living came about.

The proof is in the grave, but even if one was to come back who would believe him?

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
To the believers of evolution its almost a religion to them.

Some are so arrogant that they think they have solved many of lifes riddles in the last hundred years or so.

Evolution is a theory. Its not proven to the extent that they can call it a Law.

Otherwise it would be the Law of Evolution. They can't go back in time and observe and therefore its not.

For human evolution to occur it would require a monster miracle. Either you assume that different isolated clans of monkeys evolved separtely into the different races or they all came from the same clan then broke off into their own parts of the world remain isolated from one another for millions of more years.

If the clans of monkey would have been intermixed for millions of years so would the gene pool. Therefore you would have a one huge mixed race instead of all the varying ones you still have today.

Within the varying races each one has to come up with their own language system based on location. If tribe one and tribe two met, odds are they would not come up with the same language.

Right now we have many species of monkeys and apes, however their is only one species of humans

And by the way. I am not discounting evolution completely I am just saying there are more questions than answers.

Ok buddy there are a couple of problems with what you just said:
1. You continue to misunderstand the meaning of theory in scientific terms, a theory is a proven hypothesis based on observable phenomenon. You are correct evolution is not a law, a law is an observable phenomenon, for example if I throw this ball up it will come down, hence gravity is a law.
2. You say that if humans and monkeys were intermingled there would be only a single species as opposed to many. This assertion doesn't take into account some basic ideas in genetics, many genes are recessive so if you have a population of monkeys and 10% of them have a genetic mutation, if they interbreed the offspring don't necessarily show the genetic mutation and so aren't selected for that genetic mutation.

 

[LumbergTech]

I just think of evolution as what happens, some things happen to be more fit to survive in an environment...so they live....of course genetics is also another major component, but especially the natural selection part..its observational, it isnt some creation of human beings..for instance..if having 3 legs was particularly useful in an environment and something had 3 legs then it would have a better statistical chance of survival..its common sense

 

[M00T]

IDers are not going to listen to anything you people say. They are all fully entrenched and awaiting a battle of belief versus science.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
Evolution is a theory. Its not proven to the extent that they can call it a Law.

Otherwise it would be the Law of Evolution. They can't go back in time and observe and therefore its not.

Just for you, I'll repost the following from the first page of this thread:

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Meuge
[/i]the·o·ry (the'?-re, thîr'e) pronunciation
1. A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.[/i]

Sorry, "intelligent design" is not a THEORY in the same sense as evolution or gravity is. ID is a collection of religious superstitutions which don't even qualify as a hypothesis, and are speculation, at best.

Furthermore, under the correct scientific definition, it takes only one contradiction to disprove a theory. ... Got one that refutes evolution? "Unexplained" doesn't count as a contradiction.

"Intelligent" Design doesn't come close to meeting the standard to be considered a scientific theory, and it has no place in science classes.

Anytime someone says: "evolution is just a theory", I want to drop a dictionary on their head from a 10-story building... to illustrate the impact (heh) of what a real theory can predict, as well as to hopefully remove their ignorance from the world.

They wouldn't notice because gravity is just a theory, too, and everyone knows there is no gravity. It's just that the world sucks. 😎

You're entitled to your own beliefs. You're just not entitled to your own facts.

 

[Vette73]

UPDATE

District will abandon 'intelligent design'
http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/12/21/evolution.debate.ap/index.html

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
UPDATE

District will abandon 'intelligent design'
http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/12/21/evolution.debate.ap/index.html

I just heard the ID'ers from Seti Alpha Six are on their way put the smack down!

 

[HeaterCore]

Walking by the Methodist church here on 11th and 5th in Manhattan I noticed a sign reading, "Jesus died to take away your sins, not your brain."

Bravo.

 

[Vette73]

Now republicans are flip flopping.

Santorum Distancing Himself From Intelligent Design Law Firm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,179507,00.html

Sen. Rick Santorum says he intends to withdraw his affiliation with the Christian-rights law center that defended a school district's policy mandating the teaching of "intelligent design."

Santorum, the Senate's No. 3 Republican who is facing a tough re-election challenge next year, earlier praised the Dover Area School District for "attempting to teach the controversy of evolution."

 

[Meuge]

Wow, if Rick Santorum is jumping the boat, how far from the pack have they strayed?

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Meuge
Wow, if Rick Santorum is jumping the boat, how far from the pack have they strayed?

Right now Rick is behind in early polls. So he is jumping back to "normal" to try and get relected. I really hope he does not.

 

[fornax]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Now republicans are flip flopping.

Santorum Distancing Himself From Intelligent Design Law Firm
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,179507,00.html

Sen. Rick Santorum says he intends to withdraw his affiliation with the Christian-rights law center that defended a school district's policy mandating the teaching of "intelligent design."

Santorum, the Senate's No. 3 Republican who is facing a tough re-election challenge next year, earlier praised the Dover Area School District for "attempting to teach the controversy of evolution."

In other news, Sen. Rick Santorum also praised the Dover school board for attempting to teach the controversial opinions that Earth is round and the Moon is not made of green cheese.

 

[Alexstarfire]

So this is how all our tax money gets wasted. [sarcasm]I'm glad they finally got this all cleared up since it means life and death[/sarcasm] Come on, who the ****** needs to take this ****** to court, honestly? Prolly some pansy that doesn't understand it.

 

[jhu]

Originally posted by: Alexstarfire
So this is how all our tax money gets wasted. [sarcasm]I'm glad they finally got this all cleared up since it means life and death[/sarcasm] Come on, who the ****** needs to take this ****** to court, honestly? Prolly some pansy that doesn't understand it.

the government has a history of wasting tax payer money. how about an alaskan bridge bridge to nowhere?