Fearful people are more conservative

[Gonad the Barbarian]

So how would YOU define compromise in that situation? No gun control whatsoever? Because that's not compromise, that's the Republican way. Complete gun control would be the Democrat way. I would consider gun control on largely unnecessary things, ie, 30 round magazines, to be a compromise.

Somehow 30 round magazines are necessary. Even though they jam all the time and aren't worth using and you can reload so fast they don't matter according to some gun nutters here. But talk about banning them and suddenly they go all "from my cold dead handz!!!1"

 

[irishScott]

Somehow 30 round magazines are necessary. Even though they jam all the time and aren't worth using and you can reload so fast they don't matter according to some gun nutters here. But talk about banning them and suddenly they go all "from my cold dead handz!!!1"

I know you're not really interested in facts, but...

1. Quality mags don't jam all the time and are very much worth using. The comments I've seen have been remarking on the irony that in spite of this they've repeatably jammed in mass shootings.

2. In a situation like a mass shooting, where the people being shot at have no practical ability to resist, the extra re-loading time makes no difference. The Virginia Tech shooter, for the worst mass-shooting in US history, used one handgun with 10 round capacity and one with 15 round capacity. He carried 19 reloads.

And to add my own point:

3. Magazine restrictions would do nothing to limit the number of deaths incurred in mass shootings, and would have no measurable effect on gun deaths in the United States.

 

[nehalem256]

So how would YOU define compromise in that situation? No gun control whatsoever? Because that's not compromise, that's the Republican way. Complete gun control would be the Democrat way. I would consider gun control on largely unnecessary things, ie, 30 round magazines, to be a compromise.

EDIT: And for the record, I am of the opinion that none of the gun control measures put forth at the federal level thus far are going to have any impact on the number of mass shootings that occur. It's just a way to shut the general public up.

So you are saying that the Democrats are proposing stupid laws based on fear.

Why should the Republicans compromise and accept passing laws that will have no positive impact?

 

[nehalem256]

Somehow 30 round magazines are necessary. Even though they jam all the time and aren't worth using and you can reload so fast they don't matter according to some gun nutters here. But talk about banning them and suddenly they go all "from my cold dead handz!!!1"

So you want to ban magazines that jam so mass shooters will be forced to use non-jamming ones? ^_^

 

[LunarRay]

Your a complete Tard , Do you know why we study history . NO you don't. If you did you wouldn't use your debate points in a debate of this nature . Its not the conservatives that won't use clean coal . Its the Left . BE afraid you have to pay for own birthcontrol . That 100% Left. Every point your making is the freaken left . Your not mentally ill I am happy to report . Your fucking Brain dead All you have done is twist things around . Example . I a gun owner . You don't want me to have a gun so you inact law to take it from me . YOUR the one who is fearfull ya tard . You don't want me to have a gun wimp . YOU come and try in take . Not your buddy uncle Sam you lieing little - Fill in the blank . _ _ _

I never really understood 'fear'.... I do, however, think I'm beginning to... YOU own a Gun????

 

[blankslate]

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/i...e-of-liberals-and-conservatives/#.URWBtqVl6f0

I think this is a more evenhanded blog / article about the brain differences between conservatives and liberals.

The editorial cites and provides links to a few different studies.

And is guest written by a behavioral Therapist.

 

[werepossum]

So you want to ban magazines that jam so mass shooters will be forced to use non-jamming ones? ^_^

LMAO!

Nah, the ban is so that those law-abiding citizens who have been disarmed can have a few seconds to run with scissors at a nut with a gun. Evidently the theory is that if one combines enough bad ideas something good is bound to happen.

 

[Xonim]

So you are saying that the Democrats are proposing stupid laws based on fear.

Or maybe they're proposing stupid laws because they're doing their job and listening to their constituents instead of the NRA lobbyists?

Why should the Republicans compromise and accept passing laws that will have no positive impact?

You cannot sit there as an honest person and tell me that the gun laws in this country are perfect and don't require at least SOME reform. Where are the Republican proposals? All the elected Republicans are doing is obstructing, and it's not helping anybody.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Providing a strawman situation with a strawman rebuttal that you concocted is not evidence.

Unfortunately what I described happened. What's happening in CA is also true. The facts contradict you. It seems your chosen have no standing. Sorry, your emperor has no clothes.

 

[m1ldslide1]

As far as the "fear" argument goes, the scorecard seems pretty even to me:

Left -vs.- Right
guns - totalitarian gov't
MMGW - media conspiracy
unchecked corp power - unchecked gov't power
unchecked church power - punishments for secular society/gov't
exploitation by the rich - mobilization and revolution of the poor
cultural exclusion - cultural inclusion

For just about every "scary" topic on either side you can find a contradicting scary topic on the other.

 

[nehalem256]

Or maybe they're proposing stupid laws because they're doing their job and listening to their constituents instead of the NRA lobbyists?

If liberals think there job is to propose stupid laws that explains a lot.

You cannot sit there as an honest person and tell me that the gun laws in this country are perfect and don't require at least SOME reform. Where are the Republican proposals? All the elected Republicans are doing is obstructing, and it's not helping anybody.

And yet Democrats are proposing things that even you admit are stupid.

So you tell me what makes more sense? Doing nothing, or doing something stupid.

 

[Xonim]

If liberals think there job is to propose stupid laws that explains a lot.



And yet Democrats are proposing things that even you admit are stupid.

So you tell me what makes more sense? Doing nothing, or doing something stupid.

/facepalm

Clearly the correct answer is to continue to do nothing at all. My bad.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

As far as the "fear" argument goes, the scorecard seems pretty even to me:

Left -vs.- Right
guns - totalitarian gov't
MMGW - media conspiracy
unchecked corp power - unchecked gov't power
unchecked church power - punishments for secular society/gov't
exploitation by the rich - mobilization and revolution of the poor
cultural exclusion - cultural inclusion

For just about every "scary" topic on either side you can find a contradicting scary topic on the other.

That's not the point. Of course everyone is afraid of something. It's how it drives us that matters. Occupy vs. Tea Party is a perfect example. A smelly fart in the wind vs shit we can't scrape off our shoe. And it's glossing over any legitimate basis or lack there of of those fears. Such as the fear of inadequate healthcare access vs. OMG death panelz!!!1

 

[klinc]

Firearms control laws do not and CANNOT take unregistered firearms out of the hands of violent criminals, and anyone believing otherwise is either ideologically blinded or deceived by ignorant, hysterical superstition.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Firearms control laws do not and CANNOT take unregistered firearms out of the hands of violent criminals, and anyone believing otherwise is either ideologically blinded or deceived by ignorant, hysterical superstition.

If laws don't work on criminals why bother having any at all?

 

[nehalem256]

That's not the point. Of course everyone is afraid of something. It's how it drives us that matters. Occupy vs. Tea Party is a perfect example

Seems to me that the only real difference is that the Tea Party is better organized and more competent than Occupy.

 

[nehalem256]

/facepalm

Clearly the correct answer is to continue to do nothing at all. My bad.

Well it is obviously better than doing something stupid. It is rather sad that it is even necessary to point this out.

 

[Zebo]

As far as the "fear" argument goes, the scorecard seems pretty even to me:

Left -vs.- Right
guns - totalitarian gov't
MMGW - media conspiracy
unchecked corp power - unchecked gov't power
unchecked church power - punishments for secular society/gov't
exploitation by the rich - mobilization and revolution of the poor
cultural exclusion - cultural inclusion

For just about every "scary" topic on either side you can find a contradicting scary topic on the other.

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[Gonad the Barbarian]

Seems to me that the only real difference is that the Tea Party is better organized and more competent than Occupy.

Better organized? Absolutely, which goes to my point. More competent? The Tea Party is the political embarrassment that just keeps on giving.

 

[werepossum]

Well it is obviously better than doing something stupid. It is rather sad that it is even necessary to point this out.

Agreed. Not to mention that ofttimes the best option for government IS to do nothing. Not every problem has a government solution, and by far not every government solution is less of a problem than the problem it was intended to fix.

 

[Xonim]

Well it is obviously better than doing something stupid. It is rather sad that it is even necessary to point this out.

None of the proposals at the federal level are what I would classify as stupid. Ineffective, probably, but not necessarily stupid. I'm pro gun, I grew up around them, and I'll own one as soon as I can convince the wife, but i gotta say the proposals thus far have been relatively reasonable. Considering the lack of any apparent caring from the republican side, they sure could have been a lot more restrictive.

They're obviously not going to solve the problem, but they sure aren't going to hurt anything.

/shrug