FBI investigating if Trump is a Russian agent

[fskimospy]

What I am saying is that Trump has been under investigation with respect to Russia for years. There is nothing new about this. This was just a continuing of the ongoing investigation(s) of Trump and Russian ties.

Trump himself was not under investigation for being a Russian agent until this. Totally new info.

I know that it was a newly opened investigation after Comey was fired it says that plainly in the article. That doesn't make it new.

Maybe take a step back and read what you just wrote again. ‘I know this was new but that doesn’t make it new.’

If they do in fact have evidence that Trump is acting for Russia they need to impeach him and prosecute to the fullest extent possible. If found guilty he should get the maximum penalty possible. If they have the evidence now and do nothing but allow him to continue then they are also guilty.

The fluffing continues... I personally will wait for Mueller and not flail about over every biased media breaking news headline.

You are continuing to make allegations of bias without evidence. Stop being so defensive. The NYT is a great source.

 

[pcgeek11]

Also Paige was not fired.

You are correct. If she hadn't resigned she would have been IMO.

 

[pcgeek11]

So you are claiming that there was a conspiracy between the currently serving Deputy Attorney general and the director of the FBI to conceal a counterintelligence investigation from the President?

This is some impressive tinfoil hat conspiracy theorizing.

I didn't say there was a conspiracy. They could have been independently lying.

I do feel like they were lying to Trump about whether he was being investigated or not.

 

[hal2kilo]

Trump has spent the morning attacking Comey again saying he was a crooked cop and let Hillary get away...which directly contradicts the official justification he gave for Comey's firing.

It would be difficult to view Trump's actions at the time as anything but really deeply suspicious.

Notice no response by him or the WH actually deny anything, just attacking the opposition players.

 

[hal2kilo]

Why do you think either of these passages are relevant? It is just saying that the status of the investigation is unknown at this time. As for former agents saying things they clearly don’t know the evidence it was based on.

Are you not INCREDIBLY disturbed by the fact that the FBI felt it necessary to determine if the president is acting as the agent of a hostile foreign power?

It's all the Deep State's fault.

 

[pcgeek11]

Trump himself was not under investigation for being a Russian agent until this. Totally new info.

Trump was under investigation for collusion with Russia and Russian ties. If you are colluding with and cooperating with Russia on their wishes then you are acting an an agent of Russia.

Maybe take a step back and read what you just wrote again. ‘I know this was new but that doesn’t make it new.’

Yes I agree that didn't come out as intended. Let me rephrase that:

What I meant to say was just because that it is a new investigation into the Russian Connections with Trump doesn't make the subject or intent of the investigation any different. The attempt to tie Trump together with Russia has been going on for years. There is nothing new about it.

You are continuing to make allegations of bias without evidence. Stop being so defensive. The NYT is a great source.

I'm not being defensive at all. Just because you are blind to the bias doesn't mean that there is none.

I've voiced my opinion on this "revelation". I'll still wait for Mueller to finish.

 

[fskimospy]

I didn't say they was a conspiracy. They could have been independently lying.

So Rod Rosenstein And James Comey independently came up with the idea to lie to the president about an investigation into him, knowing full well that the other could and likely would discuss that investigation with the president at any time, leading to their immediate firing?

Wut.

I do feel like they were lying to Trump about whether he was being investigated or not.[/QUOTE]

What is your basis for this?

Also, if you as a random internet person was able to figure out that the deputy AG was plotting against the president why is he still the deputy AG? After all you said if there was sufficient evidence Trump was a Russian agent he would be impeached and removed and that was common sense. Why didn’t common sense prevail here?

 

[mikeymikec]

pcgeek, I'm wondering how you can logically toe the line between supporting Trump and waiting for the Mueller investigation's result. On one hand, you've got Trump telling you that it's all BS, and on the other hand you have a sitting president being investigated on multiple counts.

Logically, if you put any stock in the investigation then you'd find it highly suspicious just how Trump spends his average week disparaging the investigation, or you don't put any stock in the investigation because Trump tells you it's all BS.

 

[hal2kilo]

Trump was under investigation for collusion with Russia and Russian ties. If you are colluding with and cooperating with Russia on their wishes then you are acting an an agent of Russia.




Yes I agree that didn't come out as intended. Let me rephrase that:

What I meant to say was just because that it is a new investigation into the Russian Connections with Trump doesn't make the subject or intent of the investigation any different. The attempt to tie Trump together with Russia has been going on for years. There is nothing new about it.




I'm not being defensive at all. Just because you are blind to the bias doesn't mean that there is none.

Trump tied himself to Russia, self deluding idiot baby.

 

[fskimospy]

Trump was under investigation for collusion with Russia and Russian ties. If you are colluding with and cooperating with Russia on their wishes then you are acting an an agent of Russia.

Yes I agree that didn't come out as intended. Let me rephrase that:

What I meant to say was just because that it is a new investigation into the Russian Connections with Trump doesn't make the subject or intent of the investigation any different. The attempt to tie Trump together with Russia has been going on for years. There is nothing new about it.

This is incorrect. The FBI was conducting an investigation into Russian meddling generally. After this Trump became a target.

This is just the facts. It was new and there’s no arguing it.

I'm not being defensive at all. Just because you are blind to the bias doesn't mean that there is none.

Nope, I just don’t consider bias to be things I don’t want to hear. There’s a reason why the NYT is one of the most highly regarded journalistic organizations on the planet and a big part of it is the scrupulous character of their reporting.

 

[pcgeek11]

So Rod Rosenstein And James Comey independently came up with the idea to lie to the president about an investigation into him, knowing full well that the other could and likely would discuss that investigation with the president at any time, leading to their immediate firing?

Wut.

I do feel like they were lying to Trump about whether he was being investigated or not.

What is your basis for this?

Also, if you as a random internet person was able to figure out that the deputy AG was plotting against the president why is he still the deputy AG? After all you said if there was sufficient evidence Trump was a Russian agent he would be impeached and removed and that was common sense. Why didn’t common sense prevail here?

I didn't say that they did or not independently lie. I don't know. You said I claimed a conspiracy ( which I did not ) I only gave an alternative.

They lied because they did not want him to know he was under investigation.

The Deputy AG was not fired due to the President not wanting to suffer with the backlash from the left and the illusion of it effecting the Mueller investigation.

 

[pcgeek11]

pcgeek, I'm wondering how you can logically toe the line between supporting Trump and waiting for the Mueller investigation's result. On one hand, you've got Trump telling you that it's all BS, and on the other hand you have a sitting president being investigated on multiple counts.

Logically, if you put any stock in the investigation then you'd find it highly suspicious just how Trump spends his average week disparaging the investigation, or you don't put any stock in the investigation because Trump tells you it's all BS.

I'm not ready to hang anyone before the Mueller investigation is done. Quite different than all of those that are ready to hang on rumors and hearsay.

The only thing I said that is being misconstrued is that this "New revelation" of an investigation is not news. They have been beating the Russian thing for years.

I don't put much stock into it because it is not complete yet. There has so far been nothing directly tied to Trump. Now I will say he has some very seedy associates...

As I said earlier which many seem to have been ignored:

If they do in fact have evidence that Trump is acting for Russia they need to impeach him and prosecute to the fullest extent possible. If found guilty he should get the maximum penalty possible. If they have the evidence now and do nothing but allow him to continue then they are also guilty.

The fluffing continues... I personally will wait for Mueller and not flail about over every biased media breaking news headline.

 

[zinfamous]

This is OLD News and nothing new at all.

I'll wait for Mueller's final report rather than overreact to sensational headlines by an obviously biased media channel.

I think that there were many at the FBI that were obviously biased in the extreme and would do nearly anything to throw Trump out of office Comey, Peter Strzok and Lisa Page. They have since been fired thank god.

I think if they had anything that remotely indicated Trump was acting along with Russia there would have been some action to remove him from office by now.

This is completely ridiculous. It can't possibly be obvious that they are/were biased because it is observably true that they were not. You believe lies, without question, and perpetuate them. This is exactly all your post is.

When the truth comes out, you still won't accept it. We know it, and you know it. Stop pretending.

 

[pcgeek11]

Trump tied himself to Russia, self deluding idiot baby.

Fuck you.

 

[fskimospy]

So now your argument is that Trump willingly allowed a deputy attorney general he knew to be lying to him about circumstances of dire importance to both him and the country to

1) continue to serve for nearly two years and
2) Trump took no action to notify other government officials or the public of the fact that the Deputy AG was betraying his boss and the country.

And why did Trump allow this immense breach of national security and law enforcement to continue? Because liberals are mean.

This is beyond tinfoil hat, this is ancient aliens level of conspiracy theorizing.

 

[zinfamous]

The fluffing continues... I personally will wait for Mueller and not flail about over every biased media breaking news headline.

You won't wait for Mueller. Everyone knows these are just empty words. Dozens have been indicted, two of Trump's closest allies have been convicted and are in jail. One of them testified that Trump committed multiple felonies to gain the presidency. It's official testimony. It's evidence--it is, exactly, a fact of the case. Yet, despite this, you still claim "nothing has happened yet."

The observable truth is that metric shit-tons of things have happened, they are all completely terrible for Trump, and you just don't give a shit. Of course were it the black man instead of Trump, you would have been running for the noose a year ago. And you know it. We know it.

 

[fskimospy]

Honestly if what pcgeek is saying is true we should ALL agree to immediate impeachment proceedings against Trump. That level of incompetence and indifference to serious national security and law enforcement matters places us all at risk.

 

[fskimospy]

You won't wait for Mueller. Everyone knows these are just empty words. Dozens have been indicted, two of Trump's closest allies have been convicted and are in jail. One of them testified that Trump committed multiple felonies to gain the presidency. It's official testimony. It's evidence--it is, exactly, a fact of the case. Yet, despite this, you still claim "nothing has happened yet."

The observable truth is that metric shit-tons of things have happened, they are all completely terrible for Trump, and you just don't give a shit. Of course were it the black man instead of Trump, you would have been running for the noose a year ago. And you know it. We know it.

With all the felonies related to Michael Cohen and Paul Manafort the message from the right was ‘where’s the collusion?!’ (As if somehow the other felonies don’t count)

After this week of evidence directly showing collusion their answer is ‘I still don’t care’. It’s just one excuse after another because they honestly don’t care. I fully expect Mueller’s report to be damning and for most conservatives to dismiss it anyway.

 

[pcgeek11]

So now your argument is that Trump willingly allowed a deputy attorney general he knew to be lying to him about circumstances of dire importance to both him and the country to

1) continue to serve for nearly two years and
2) Trump took no action to notify other government officials or the public of the fact that the Deputy AG was betraying his boss and the country.

And why did Trump allow this immense breach of national security and law enforcement to continue? Because liberals are mean.

This is beyond tinfoil hat, this is ancient aliens level of conspiracy theorizing.

I told you why I think he didn't fire the Deputy AG.

And why aren't the Mueller team pushing to have the Russian Agent impeached and tried for treason?

 

[hal2kilo]

I told you why I think he didn't fire the Deputy AG.

And why aren't the Mueller team pushing to have the Russian Agent impeached and tried for treason?

Ever heard of "getting all your ducks in a row" . Because of people like you, it has to be ironclad.

 

[brycejones]

Fuck you.

Petulant man baby uses his best words

 

[fskimospy]

I told you why I think he didn't fire the Deputy AG.

Right and that reasoning is preposterous. If anything it independently makes a case for impeachment.

And why aren't the Mueller team pushing to have the Russian Agent impeached and tried for treason?

If Mueller believes this to be true he has exactly one chance to defend the country against the largest threat to it since the civil war. His target is the most powerful person on the planet. He will do everything he needs to in order to make that case as absolutely bulletproof as possible and counterintelligence investigations can take years.

If you come at the king you best not miss.

 

[pcgeek11]

You won't wait for Mueller. Everyone knows these are just empty words. Dozens have been indicted, two of Trump's closest allies have been convicted and are in jail. One of them testified that Trump committed multiple felonies to gain the presidency. It's official testimony. It's evidence--it is, exactly, a fact of the case. Yet, despite this, you still claim "nothing has happened yet."

The observable truth is that metric shit-tons of things have happened, they are all completely terrible for Trump, and you just don't give a shit. Of course were it the black man instead of Trump, you would have been running for the noose a year ago. And you know it. We know it.

Lots of seedy people have been indicted over shit that has nothing to do with Russia. You know the subject of this thread.

I will wait as I have been for the Mueller Investigation to complete. You are one of the people ready to hang anyone before the investigation is finished.

Oh, I guess I should state that they did indict some Russians...

WTF has this have to do with a Black Man for gods sake. Are you just required to throw in the race card because you have nothing else besides insults and BS?

 

[pcgeek11]

Honestly if what pcgeek is saying is true we should ALL agree to immediate impeachment proceedings against Trump. That level of incompetence and indifference to serious national security and law enforcement matters places us all at risk.

LOL. You are funny.

 

[pcgeek11]

Petulant man baby uses his best words

It was the best response for his insult and yours...