FBI fires Strzok over anti-Trump texts

[pcgeek11]

Bobby Goodlatte@rsg

I’m deeply embarrassed that Peter Strzok’s career was ruined by my father’s political grandstanding. That committee hearing was a low point for Congress.

Thank you for your service sir. You are a patriot https://apple.news/AQZVN1bw0TkmX82vvXLdpVg …

10:29 AM - Aug 13, 2018

Ouch, a Congressman's own son trashes him over Strzok firing.

Wow!

Talking about a back stabbing. No less his own son.

I could understand the disagreement, but you shouldn't stab your own father in the back in public.

 

[Sunburn74]

More long-lasting damage the Trump administration is doing to institutional norms.

Wow!

Talking about a back stabbing. No less his own son.

I could understand the disagreement, but you shouldn't stab your own father in the back in public.

Not all fathers are too be commended.

I think this guy also has publicly donated a large amount of money to the democratic nominee for his father's upcoming vacated post in Nov 2018.

 

[theeedude]

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/08/13/peter-strzok-fired-donald-trump-fbi-219355

With the firing of Peter Strzok, the president’s purge of senior FBI leadership who helped launch that investigation is now complete. For those wondering whether Trump would allow the bureau to do its job without political interference from the White House, I think we have our answer.

Yep, the FBI has been corrupted.

 

[pcgeek11]

More long-lasting damage the Trump administration is doing to institutional norms.

Not all fathers are too be commended.

I think this guy also has publicly donated a large amount of money to the democratic nominee for his father's upcoming vacated post in Nov 2018.

I didn't say he needed to commend his father. He just shouldn't stab him in the back.

 

[Moonbeam]

Because of his use of FBI devices to send these messages, they got exposed to the public and damaged their public image which threatens to undercut the findings of Mueller's probe. He shouldn't have used the FBI cell to do that.

Now, as to answering the question of whether I find his opinions problematic or whether it influenced his actual job performance, no. As to whether he did something, regardless of FBI policy, that was materially different than the actions of other FBI personnel, I have no specific information but believe the answer is also no. Those are the reasons why I don't support his firing. Likely he got caught exposing a systemic problem, and therefore it makes no sense to intervene for him specifically. Address it instead on a systemic level.

But that's not up to me. They chose to fire him. Not what I think is in their interest, but they had valid reason to choose otherwise.

The problem I have with this is that 'they' didn't fire him, as such. The assistant deputy director fired him in spite of the official recommendation that he suffer a 60 day suspension I think. In shourt, and like Comey, he imposed his personal opinion in preference to what the standard FBI system produced as a the proper policy and was overridden by a single individual's judgment, for reasons. This exposes those reasons to question by anybody and raises questions as to whether the FBI is being rum at the whim of it's most powerful individuals with who knows what motivation. I have no opinion on whether the firing was warranted or not other than the fact it was a one man decision counter to what had been promised previously. The guy opened a new can of worms, in my opinion. Maybe, like Comey, he should now be fired. Maybe that's even his intention. Purification via sacrifice.

 

[UNCjigga]

The FBI did not share your opinion as they had come to a separate agreement with him that suspended him for 60 days. The fact that this was overruled by a political appointee is likely going to come back and bite them in the ass.

I suspect we will find out!

I wonder who phoned-in that decision to overrule the agreement--Trump or Putin? 😀

 

[UNCjigga]

Wow!

Talking about a back stabbing. No less his own son.

I could understand the disagreement, but you shouldn't stab your own father in the back in public.

Oh? Is Goodlatte Sr. not "fair game" for entering the realm of politics and directly contributing to this partisan hack job? Funny, I'm pretty sure that logic was applied to school kids who were shot at in Florida, so you'd think it would naturally apply to actual elected officials too...

 

[pcgeek11]

Oh? Is Goodlatte Sr. not "fair game" for entering the realm of politics and directly contributing to this partisan hack job? Funny, I'm pretty sure that logic was applied to school kids who were shot at in Florida, so you'd think it would naturally apply to actual elected officials too...

How about backing up and explain what the hell you are talking about? What you typed makes no sense in regards to what I stated.

 

[Moonbeam]

I didn't say he needed to commend his father. He just shouldn't stab him in the back.

You need to ask yourself if the father didn't make that necessary for the son to live with his own conscience. In order to establish an independent individuality, the son must kill servitude to the father to become the father himself. Your way can lead to an endless series of bad fathers. The fear of a deviant son must not be allowed to further the existence of a deviant father.

 

[K1052]

Wow!

Talking about a back stabbing. No less his own son.

I could understand the disagreement, but you shouldn't stab your own father in the back in public.

I'm willing to bet that the son's views aren't exactly secret to his dad so really more like a front stabbing.

 

[cytg111]

Wow!

Talking about a back stabbing. No less his own son.

I could understand the disagreement, but you shouldn't stab your own father in the back in public.

To shed the shackles and be a free man, arh, give me wings!
If your dad is a SOB, of course you should stand up to the bullshit.

 

[UglyCasanova]

When you work for a private corporation, disparaging remarks against the CEO or senior management is not constitutionally protected speech.

Not so the case in government. In fact, the first amendment to the Constitution of the United States was specifically written to protect against retaliation for politically-based speech by the government. So you're not talking apples and oranges, you're talking apples and meatloaf.

That’s not how that works

 

[urvile]

What a dummy. He used a work supplied phone (I assume) to send disparaging texts about the target of an active investigation. That he was involved in. It doesn't look good. They have to sack him.

Suggesting that he was in some way involved with Russian military intelligence. Hacking the Democratic party's email accounts. Is a bit of a stretch though.

 

[kage69]

I thought he'd have been among the first to get fired, given his specialties in countering FSB and GRU efforts. Two birds, one stone? Then I thought, maybe they'll keep him on just for the excuse, just to be able to say "Trump didn't have 'everyone' fired." Nope, it really was in the mail. Kind of figures, not just because the traitor is bent on obstructing justice, but because you can't go to one of Congress' plays and then maul the actors. Too many people in DC want to exact whatever they can on the guy. Let's hope another outfit grabs him and his expertise is put back in action, as we need it.

Hats off to Bobby Goodlatte, a man who is willing to walk the talk apparently when it comes to integrity and patriotism. His dad is a sell out and a liar, and he wants no part of that. Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dipshit could take a lesson here.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz]

Ironically, Strozk can do more to combat Russian influence operations outside the FBI. He has no more paperwork and protocols to follow. No one looking over his shoulder making sure he doesn’t have any bias.

He still has to keep the secrets classified but it appears he joined Twitter today.

Welcome to the Resistance Mr. Strozk.

 

[Jhhnn]

What a dummy. He used a work supplied phone (I assume) to send disparaging texts about the target of an active investigation. That he was involved in. It doesn't look good. They have to sack him.

Suggesting that he was in some way involved with Russian military intelligence. Hacking the Democratic party's email accounts. Is a bit of a stretch though.

Don't buy in to the bullshit. The only reason it matters is because the person he disparaged was Trump. Had it been a mafia Don it wouldn't have mattered. Or Hillary. Or anybody else. Trump & his congressional friends are trying to put the fear of God in the FBI by taking vengeance on Strzok.

WTF is the reference to Russian military intelligence?

 

[Moonbeam]

Don't buy in to the bullshit. The only reason it matters is because the person he disparaged was Trump. Had it been a mafia Don it wouldn't have mattered. Or Hillary. Or anybody else. Trump & his congressional friends are trying to put the fear of God in the FBI by taking vengeance on Strzok.

WTF is the reference to Russian military intelligence?

My theory is that an electron was kicked out of its shell triggering a neuron to fire as the result of a cosmic ray passing through his gray matter.

 

[urvile]

My theory is that an electron was kicked out of its shell triggering a neuron to fire as the result of a cosmic ray passing through his gray matter.

It was actually two synapses colliding. Sometimes I find that I am a little to far ahead.

 

[Fenixgoon]

a lamb sacrificed at the altar of politics. the worst part is (as someone else pointed out), the only thing we really did was hurt ourselves and handicap the FBI by removing an extremely competent person.

 

[urvile]

Don't buy in to the bullshit. The only reason it matters is because the person he disparaged was Trump. Had it been a mafia Don it wouldn't have mattered. Or Hillary. Or anybody else. Trump & his congressional friends are trying to put the fear of God in the FBI by taking vengeance on Strzok.

WTF is the reference to Russian military intelligence?

Yes it's political but he should have been fired. You cannot make biased comments against someone you are investigating. When it is such a politically charged investigation.

Seriously what sort of a moron would make those kind of comments on monitored work issued equipment? When it is such a politically charged investigation.

I will leave the reference to the GRU for you to decipher.

 

[emperus]

I heard Strozk's attorney on CNN today. He claims that the OPR punishment wasn't a recommendation but a decision that both Strzok and the OPR signed onto it. He stated that FBI director subsequently overruled that decision and fired Strzok.

 

[Sunburn74]

a lamb sacrificed at the altar of politics. the worst part is (as someone else pointed out), the only thing we really did was hurt ourselves and handicap the FBI by removing an extremely competent person.

Don't forget the effect it has on workplace culture. When good people are forced out unfairly, it can significantly change the culture of an organization for the worse.

Yes it's political but he should have been fired. You cannot make biased comments against someone you are investigating. When it is such a politically charged investigation. Seriously what sort of a moron would make those kind of comments on monitored work issued equipment? When it is such a politically charged investigation.
I will leave the reference to the GRU for you to decipher.

Can someone found guilty in a court of law say "hey, this trial was unfair! The prosecutor and investigating police officer made biased comments against me from the very start"? Our legal system is adversarial by design from the top to the bottom. I don't think FBI agents having personal feelings about the cases they are working on is something new or something even all that bad (who gets upset because an FBI agent really wants to personally nail a suspected pedophile he's chasing or a bank robber or murderer?).

The only thing here is it's political and getting rid of this guy is a way to try and discredit the mueller investigation. No more, no less. If there was no mueller investigation, this guy probably wouldn't even get a reprimand I bet.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Yes it's political but he should have been fired. You cannot make biased comments against someone you are investigating. When it is such a politically charged investigation.

Seriously what sort of a moron would make those kind of comments on monitored work issued equipment? When it is such a politically charged investigation.

I will leave the reference to the GRU for you to decipher.

What exactly was the bias? A bit of a difference between calling a politician an idiot versus going "he's guilty, we absolutely know that he committed the crime and its because he's a stinking Republican". Why should he have been fired and not just re-assigned?

So, I take it you haven't been paying any attention to politics...ever?

So you're just making shit up then?

 

[fskimospy]

Don't forget the effect it has on workplace culture. When good people are forced out unfairly, it can significantly change the culture of an organization for the worse.

Can someone found guilty in a court of law say "hey, this trial was unfair! The prosecutor and investigating police officer made biased comments against me from the very start"? Our legal system is adversarial by design from the top to the bottom. I don't think FBI agents having personal feelings about the cases they are working on is something new or something even all that bad (who gets upset because an FBI agent really wants to personally nail a suspected pedophile he's chasing or a bank robber or murderer?).

The only thing here is it's political and getting rid of this guy is a way to try and discredit the mueller investigation. No more, no less. If there was no mueller investigation, this guy probably wouldn't even get a reprimand I bet.

Yes, it’s very confusing that people seem to think Strzok disliking Trump is particularly relevant. I suspect disliking the targets of their investigation is the rule, not the exception.

 

[Moonbeam]

It was actually two synapses colliding. Sometimes I find that I am a little to far ahead.

If by ahead you mean ahead of the known facts, I would tend to agree as I can see no logic extricable form any evidence that I have seen to make sense of what you said. I am, however, quite aware of how the mind will see patterns where no may actually exist. This is the cause of sea dragons surrounding know world maps throughout the ages.