Faxes

[JoeKing]

Why are faxes still around? I mean seriously. I'm in the process of moving and talking with a lot of people. While most will accept a pdf of my docs, there are a few places that will only take fax.

I've now run back and forth 5x and probably spent close to $30 at the local kinkos :frown:

I would buy an all in one printer, but I've only had to send a fax, aside from work, maybe twice in the last five years, until this recent run.

/weak rant

 

[hanoverphist]

http://www.google.com/search?h...6&aq=0&oq=internet+fax


lol

 

[lizardth]

Because of people like the people I work with. The fax machine is a lot easier to use than the scanner, which they break at least once a week.

 

[JoeKing]

Originally posted by: lizardth
Because of people like the people I work with. The fax machine is a lot easier to use than the scanner, which they break at least once a week.

easier?! The fax machine at my office is a monster to work with. Not to include the long ass number stings you have to input to get it to work

ie:
ext for outside commercial line + phone number +** for pause + authorization number

ends up being a 22 long number string you have to punch in to send a fax.

 

[JoeKing]

Originally posted by: hanoverphist
http://www.google.com/search?h...6&aq=0&oq=internet+fax


lol

bah I don't trust the free service, and I don't want to pay the monthly fee for the other services.

 

[FeuerFrei]

A signed fax form is accepted by law in court, just like an original. Fax lets you conduct official business transactions at a distance. You can't sign emails. I don't know if scanning a signed document into a PDF and attaching it to an email is a legal equivalent.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: lizardth
Because of people like the people I work with. The fax machine is a lot easier to use than the scanner, which they break at least once a week.

PC load letter!! Whad the #%*@ does that mean!!!!111!!!! :|

Faxes are for incompetents or luddites. When all the old fogies retire, they can take their 1950s era technology with them.

 

[paulney]

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
A signed fax form is accepted by law in court, just like an original. Fax lets you conduct official business transactions at a distance. You can't sign emails. I don't know if scanning a signed document into a PDF and attaching it to an email is a legal equivalent.

Exactly. A signed estimate, quote, authorization to do work, etc can be sent instantly and conveniently between two parties. Converting everything to PDFs and inserting signatures is a major hassle and very time consuming if outright not impossible for a lot of people.

E-Fax solves all these problems very cost-effectively and quickly.

 

[NFS4]

I did all of my paperwork for applying for a mortgage and signing all documents with scanner+email. The only time we actually signed anything on paper in person was when we put an offer on the house and when we went to closing.

 

[JoeKing]

Originally posted by: paulney

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
A signed fax form is accepted by law in court, just like an original. Fax lets you conduct official business transactions at a distance. You can't sign emails. I don't know if scanning a signed document into a PDF and attaching it to an email is a legal equivalent.

Exactly. A signed estimate, quote, authorization to do work, etc can be sent instantly and conveniently between two parties. Converting everything to PDFs and inserting signatures is a major hassle and very time consuming if outright not impossible for a lot of people.

E-Fax solves all these problems very cost-effectively and quickly.

The thing though is many of these docs were formally PDFs signed electronically. So an approving official's signature block looks like this once I fax it in

//signed//
John Doe


I asked one of the companies (Toyota Financial) why they won't accept a pdf and their response "we don't keep an address because of spam"

eh?!

 

[lokiju]

I did everything short of the actual final signing for my home via scanning to pdf and emailing.

I hate faxes, just seems so outdated.

 

[thescreensavers]

Idk but my Laptop has a modem which I can use as a fax to fax my documents and receive shit. All you need is a dial tone. I have done it many times

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: thescreensavers
Idk but my Laptop has a modem which I can use as a fax to fax my documents and receive shit. All you need is a dial tone. I have done it many times

What's a modem?

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: thescreensavers
Idk but my Laptop has a modem which I can use as a fax to fax my documents and receive shit. All you need is a dial tone. I have done it many times

not all modems are fax capable.


here, wether faxed originals or pdf originals, users just fax straight out of word/ adobe/ whatever prog they want, its built into the printer systems.

when im at home and need to fax, ill send it over home phone line or vpn into my server and fax it from there.

i also still have customers that require signed originals, even a fax isnt satisfactory. sux when i have to have stuff signed and delivered by courier lol.

 

[Gooberlx2]

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
A signed fax form is accepted by law in court, just like an original. Fax lets you conduct official business transactions at a distance. You can't sign emails. I don't know if scanning a signed document into a PDF and attaching it to an email is a legal equivalent.

I'm pretty sure it is. For example, I was able to fill out and scan a signed exemption request for jury duty and email it to the county clerk (lived out of state at the time).

But since it's something that often has to be printed out and paper stored anyway*, faxing is easier/faster because it cuts out the middle process.

This is why so many hospitals are only slowly transitioning to paperless...if at all. It's a HUGE undertaking with all the HIPAA guidelines, FDA regs, required storage times, etc...

* for the many many places that don't have the infrastructure setup for electronic document storage.

 

[thescreensavers]

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: thescreensavers
Idk but my Laptop has a modem which I can use as a fax to fax my documents and receive shit. All you need is a dial tone. I have done it many times

not all modems are fax capable.


here, wether faxed originals or pdf originals, users just fax straight out of word/ adobe/ whatever prog they want, its built into the printer systems.

when im at home and need to fax, ill send it over home phone line or vpn into my server and fax it from there.

i also still have customers that require signed originals, even a fax isnt satisfactory. sux when i have to have stuff signed and delivered by courier lol.

Well all the recent ones do, My 9 year computer can do it. So I wonder how old of a modem you or some one might have

 

[Zim Hosein]

Originally posted by: thescreensavers

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: thescreensavers
Idk but my Laptop has a modem which I can use as a fax to fax my documents and receive shit. All you need is a dial tone. I have done it many times

not all modems are fax capable.


here, wether faxed originals or pdf originals, users just fax straight out of word/ adobe/ whatever prog they want, its built into the printer systems.

when im at home and need to fax, ill send it over home phone line or vpn into my server and fax it from there.

i also still have customers that require signed originals, even a fax isnt satisfactory. sux when i have to have stuff signed and delivered by courier lol.

Well all the recent ones do, My 9 year computer can do it. So I wonder how old of a modem you or some one might have

Recent? I didn't know they still made modems! :Q

 

[RadiclDreamer]

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: lizardth
Because of people like the people I work with. The fax machine is a lot easier to use than the scanner, which they break at least once a week.

PC load letter!! Whad the #%*@ does that mean!!!!111!!!! :|

Paper Casette, load letter sized paper. sorry to ruin it, but it wasnt engrish

 

[MegaVovaN]

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: thescreensavers
Idk but my Laptop has a modem which I can use as a fax to fax my documents and receive shit. All you need is a dial tone. I have done it many times

not all modems are fax capable.


here, wether faxed originals or pdf originals, users just fax straight out of word/ adobe/ whatever prog they want, its built into the printer systems.

when im at home and need to fax, ill send it over home phone line or vpn into my server and fax it from there.

VPN? server? modem? printer systems?

wat?

I just put in the 22 digits in this box and it sends my shit.

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Recent? I didn't know they still made modems! :Q

Yeah, they do. Many, if not most, laptops still come with modems.

And, for what it's worth, many laws specifically permit fax transmissions as the *only* method of electronic transmission of legal documents.

 

[erub]

my parents have a fax machine, all we get on it is SPAM faxes. my mom likes it though. efax is the way to go for the very few times I have to receive a fax.

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Recent? I didn't know they still made modems! :Q

*sigh*

I remember my first 56k modem. I think it's the same as the one on this page.
A very nice ISA Rockwell hardware modem, v.90 capable. That thing almost never dropped the connection. Very stable, reliable, and "fast."
Twas a sad day when I bought my first motherboard without ISA slots, and I was introduced to Winmodems.

 

[JoeKing]

Originally posted by: Jeff7

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Recent? I didn't know they still made modems! :Q

*sigh*

I remember my first 56k modem. I think it's the same as the one on this page.
A very nice ISA Rockwell hardware modem, v.90 capable. That thing almost never dropped the connection. Very stable, reliable, and "fast."
Twas a sad day when I bought my first motherboard without ISA slots, and I was introduced to Winmodems.

Suck on my Hayes 33.6kbps! I remember it costs me close to $300... but it could fax!

 

[Zim Hosein]

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Recent? I didn't know they still made modems! :Q

Yeah, they do. Many, if not most, laptops still come with modems.

And, for what it's worth, many laws specifically permit fax transmissions as the *only* method of electronic transmission of legal documents.

Maybe I just skip over the option when I configure desktops and lappys from Dell GeekDrew

As for the legal side, that I understand as I have an AIO at home on a dedicated fax line for such purposes.

 

[SlitheryDee]

I like to use it for purchase orders and confirmations. When every single company that I deal with and will likely deal with in the future is equipped to accept e-mail POs I'll change. Using 2 systems would be more complication than I want.