fatties, you can stop blaming your genes for your weight problem

[sjwaste]

Yeah...it's not that bad. People need to learn how to regulate themselves. Personally, I would rather make sacrifices on the amount of food rather than what I like. If I go to McD's (pretty unusual, but I went Saturday and didn't feel guilty since I puked my guts out all morning/afternoon...haha), I'll get a crispy chicken sandwich, a small fry, and a water. I know crispy isn't as good for you, but if you don't waste 300 calories on an enormous coke it's really not an awful dinner.

Of course, you'd have to go healthier (grilled) if you were doing that 3 meals a day, but that just doesn't sound appetizing anyways.

Well, that's the other thing. "Unhealthy" doesn't equate to "Should never eat!" It means do it sparingly. But life sucks if you can't enjoy the guilty pleasures every once in a while. Damn right I'm going to get myself some fried chicken (Popeyes!) every once in a while.

Eating it every day? That could be a very bad choice. And as you said, even if you're eating something "bad for you" you can still cut out some empty calories by not getting a coke or whatever. Luckily, I've never had that problem - I mostly drink water, sometimes coffee, rarely soda, and never the non-diet variety. Just a habit I've been in for a long time, probably since I was a kid.

 

[Ns1]

Meh, not to side with the fatties, but it IS about genes... I dont do any exercise whatsoever and I dont go out of my way to eat healthily either, yet Ive always been super skinny,,, My sister on the other hand has to be on constant diets to keep her weight at an acceptable level, how is this not genes?

because she's able to keep some/all of the weight off due to exercise/diet

if she's not, then well we'd need to pick apart her diet/exercise habits.

 

[lxskllr]

Don't you smoke cigarettes? You're hardly in a position to be criticizing anyone.

I don't smoke much anymore, and as NS1 pointed out, it's all on me. Big tobacco didn't make me smoke, society didn't make me smoke, and sure as hell, genes didn't make me smoke. It was 100% on me.

Edit:
On the metabolism issue... You can't create something from nothing. People don't just "get fat". If you consume more calories than are needed, they get stored for future use. They don't get stored at the expense of immediate need. If you're storing fat, you're eating too much, or exercising too little. Physics doesn't take a break in the human body. It isn't magic, and it isn't a mystery.

 

[Mike Gayner]

Posting in a BBYT fatty thread.

 

[Saint Nick]

Pretty much.

I've seen a few of my fattie friends go from uber fat and lazy, to determined and ripped.

 

[SlitheryDee]

What about skinny people that don't exercise and eat shitty food? Shouldn't they be fat then?

I know quite a few people that fall into this category. I guess they are just magical.

It's not magic. They're eating shitty food in quantities that don't exceed their caloric maintenance level. Most of them will think they eat like horses too, just like many overweight people think they don't eat that much.

When I'm dieting I'll always hit my calorie ceiling long before I'm ready to, even when eating nothing but unprocessed, low calorie foods and setting my limit at a manageable 2500-3000 calories per day. In the end I'm still left thinking "that's all I get to eat today...it's just not fair...". If one of these skinny people ate the same amount, they'd be waddling around complaining about how "stuffed" they are all day. There is a definite difference in hunger response if nothing else.

 

[MJinZ]

It's not magic. They're eating shitty food in quantities that don't exceed their caloric maintenance level. Most of them will think they eat like horses too, just like many overweight people think they don't eat that much.

When I'm dieting I'll always hit my calorie ceiling long before I'm ready to, even when eating nothing but unprocessed, low calorie foods and setting my limit at a manageable 2500-3000 calories per day. In the end I'm still left thinking "that's all I get to eat today...it's just not fair...". If one of these skinny people ate the same amount, they'd be waddling around complaining about how "stuffed" they are all day. There is a definite difference in hunger response if nothing else.

LOL you can eat however much you want... peg your heart rate to 175+ for 10 minutes and stay in cardio mode for a total of at least 30 minutes and your body will be trying to recover the whole day.

Just lay off the useless food. That means no ice-cream - greek yogurt or cottage cheese instead. No potato products. Etc

 

[Wyndru]

It's not magic. They're eating shitty food in quantities that don't exceed their caloric maintenance level. Most of them will think they eat like horses too, just like many overweight people think they don't eat that much.

When I'm dieting I'll always hit my calorie ceiling long before I'm ready to, even when eating nothing but unprocessed, low calorie foods and setting my limit at a manageable 2500-3000 calories per day. In the end I'm still left thinking "that's all I get to eat today...it's just not fair...". If one of these skinny people ate the same amount, they'd be waddling around complaining about how "stuffed" they are all day. There is a definite difference in hunger response if nothing else.

Yeah, my co-worker who eats mcdonalds and burger king 1-2 times a day seems to break this idea. He eats a regular breakfast, at lunch he always gets a double quarter pounder with cheese, large size (so large coke, large fries) and then he said he eats a normal dinner, but some times he gets burger king, and usually snacks at night. He is a desk jockey, and he plays WoW all night every night and brags about 16 hour video game sessions on the weekend, so I know he isn't exercising. He is ~150 lbs. and about 5.5 feet tall.

He is on medication because his cholesterol is high, but he is definitely skinny. I think he might just actually metabolize food differently than others.

 

[sjwaste]

Posting in a BBYT fatty thread.

If you put him on your ignore list, it allows you to actually find some decent discussion. It's weird, he's a complete troll, but if you specifically ignore him, others appear to make up for it.

 

[rcpratt]

Meh, not to side with the fatties, but it IS about genes... I dont do any exercise whatsoever and I dont go out of my way to eat healthily either, yet Ive always been super skinny,,, My sister on the other hand has to be on constant diets to keep her weight at an acceptable level, how is this not genes?

Because she apparently consumes more calories than you (relative to her bodyweight and BMR).

Losing weight is really not complicated at all...
-Stop drinking calories (read: soda/pop/juice/etc.) for no reason
-Stop eating JUNK (chips/candy/etc.)
-Make your own meals. You don't even really have to go out of your way to make them super healthy...if you make it yourself, it will be ten times better for you than processed junk.
-Go to the gym 3 times a week

Wow, super hard. You can spend 3 hours at the gym, waste less money on junk food, be healthier, and look better. Your sister doesn't understand how to eat less calorie dense foods that fill her up.

 

[Ksyder]

I can't back this up with any studies, but I've heard of a phenomenon where skinny folks' metabolism will actually increase on the fly to burn off the excess calories that they consumed, thus maintaining their weight despite increased caloric intake.

Also, I've heard that the lectins and such in grains destroy leptin sensitivity, which controls hunger. If this is the case, then cutting out grains and refined carbs is part of the solution.

Check this out- http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/04/leptin-and-lectins.html
There are 3 parts, this is the first one.

 

[MJinZ]

Because she apparently consumes more calories than you (relative to her bodyweight and BMR).

Losing weight is really not complicated at all...
-Stop drinking calories (read: soda/pop/juice/etc.) for no reason
-Stop eating JUNK (chips/candy/etc.)
-Make your own meals. You don't even really have to go out of your way to make them super healthy...if you make it yourself, it will be ten times better for you than processed junk.
-Go to the gym 3 times a week

Wow, super hard. You can spend 3 hours at the gym, waste less money on junk food, be healthier, and look better. Your sister doesn't understand how to eat less calorie dense foods that fill her up.

No, he is right... it is hugely genetic. People metabolize differently and/or have thyroid or whatever disorders.

This is why "Gainers" exist, loaded with like 4000 calories. Some people must eat themselves sick and still have trouble gaining weight.

 

[ss284]

No, he is right... it is hugely genetic. People metabolize differently and/or have thyroid or whatever disorders.

This is why "Gainers" exist, loaded with like 4000 calories. Some people must eat themselves sick and still have trouble gaining weight.

No one denies that there is a genetic component. This article was posted was because it specifically mentions how genetics only account for a fraction of obesity problems.

 

[Wyndru]

No one denies that there is a genetic component. This article was posted was because it specifically mentions how genetics only account for a fraction of obesity problems.

This.

The title of the thread needs to be changed to "most fatties".

 

[MJinZ]

No one denies that there is a genetic component. This article was posted was because it specifically mentions how genetics only account for a fraction of obesity problems.

That makes sense, because genetic or no, look at thinness and obesity as survival traits:

Thin people who need tons of food will not survive in low food environments.
Fat people who don't will survive in food shortage or low food environmnets.

Most people back in the day were active, so the genetic proponent for obesity was probably a huge advantage for being bigger and stronger.

The thin ones today are actually the "weak" genetic samples because they have trouble becoming physically stronger.

 

[techs]

Here's a thought. Instead of the US government subsidizing grains like corn and wheat which are being used to create artificially cheap corn syrup and flour, we take the money and use it to support fruits and veggies?

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Meh, not to side with the fatties, but it IS about genes... I dont do any exercise whatsoever and I dont go out of my way to eat healthily either, yet Ive always been super skinny,,, My sister on the other hand has to be on constant diets to keep her weight at an acceptable level, how is this not genes?

do you track the amount of food she eats to the exact calorie?
fat people eat a lot more than you (or they) realize.

 

[PimpJuice]

You're more than likely obese, and these threads are a a front for how much you loathe yourself and your kind.

Hungry? Grab a Snickers. Fucker.

BlahBlahYouToo is definitely obese. He hates himself even more than everyone else does.

 

[MrX8503]

I was obese at 200lbs, so I dieted and exercised. Got down to 130lbs, then I ate 3000-4000 calories and gained 30lbs muscle. Then I cut my calories way down (1500) to tone up. Now I'm in excellent shape at 145lbs.

Some of my stats are, 210lb bench, 20+ pullups, 100 pushups nonstop, 7min/mi run.

How long did this take? 6 long damn years, lol. There are a lot of lazy fat people out there, but there are also skinny people out there too who has never spent a day in the gym in their life.

 

[Blackjack200]

I don't smoke much anymore, and as NS1 pointed out, it's all on me. Big tobacco didn't make me smoke, society didn't make me smoke, and sure as hell, genes didn't make me smoke. It was 100% on me.

so you think that chemical dependance, social factors, stress, etc. had/have no role in you decisions at all?

Edit:
On the metabolism issue... You can't create something from nothing. People don't just "get fat". If you consume more calories than are needed, they get stored for future use. They don't get stored at the expense of immediate need. If you're storing fat, you're eating too much, or exercising too little. Physics doesn't take a break in the human body. It isn't magic, and it isn't a mystery.

And it isn't that simple either. There are very complex mechanisms that trigger hunger and influence metabolism. Just to conceptualize, imagine a fat person's hunger being activated at inappropriate times, and the food that is consumed as a result is more likely to be stored.

Meanwhile, think of a thin person who eats even when he is not hungry, but his body simply raises its temperature a couple of degrees and burns through the excess calories easily.

A fat person diets and his metabolism will immediatly plunge, forcing him to eat fewer and fewer calories for any kind of gains to be made. I was once able to lose 45 pounds by eating about 1500 calories a day, I bottomed out at 195 pounds but didn't go further than that as the diet was already having severe effects on me (such as lying awake for hours, unable to sleep because of hunger).

Do you lie awake for 3 or 4 hours a night thinking about food? Do you consistently lose focus at work because your mind keeps jumping to food? Do you lose coordination and the ability to do things that you used to do very well? If not, then you staying thin is very different from me staying thin, and either way, your comment about not drinking soda and taking the stairs at work makes little sense. FWIW I've played adult league ice hockey for 5 years and am consistently one of the fastest and best conditioned players...

...except for when I diet, then I'm weak, slow and pretty ineffective.

 

[Ns1]

FWIW I've played adult league ice hockey for 5 years and am consistently one of the fastest and best conditioned players...

...except for when I diet, then I'm weak, slow and pretty ineffective.

I never met an obese person who exercised. Definitely not one that plays adult league ice hockey and is considered one of the fastest and best conditioned players.

We're talking about lazy obese people, not you.

 

[Wyndru]

I never met an obese person who exercised. Definitely not one that plays adult league ice hockey and is considered one of the fastest and best conditioned players.

We're talking about lazy obese people, not you.

Here are some obese athletes, although some of these I don't know if you consider some of them athletes (i.e. Tony Stewart from Nascar is in there).
http://sportsmanagementdegree.org/2010/top-10-obese-athletes-who-dominated-their-sport/

There are plenty of obese people who exercise on a regular basis. They probably still take in more calories than they burn off though, but there is definitely many reasons why people are fat. Exercise and diet are just 2 of them.

 

[bfdd]

Since we're on this subject, is it just me or is BMI seriously the biggest load of shit you've ever seen? 180 lbs at 6'1" is considered overweight, if I weighed 180 lbs I would be a stick figure. My brother is 5'11" 210 lbs and in phenomenal shape, he's a college running back, and he would be considered obese by BMI.

 

[rcpratt]

Since we're on this subject, is it just me or is BMI seriously the biggest load of shit you've ever seen? 180 lbs at 6'1" is considered overweight, if I weighed 180 lbs I would be a stick figure. My brother is 5'11" 210 lbs and in phenomenal shape, he's a college running back, and he would be considered obese by BMI.

Yes, obviously it is. However, 6'1" 180lb is in the normal weight range for BMI. Barely, though.

 

[Ns1]

Here are some obese athletes, although some of these I don't know if you consider some of them athletes (i.e. Tony Stewart from Nascar is in there).
http://sportsmanagementdegree.org/2010/top-10-obese-athletes-who-dominated-their-sport/

fair enough, although undoubtedly they are outliers.