father makes 11yr old walk home. gets arrested for it.

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Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: MrChad
Originally posted by: Perknose
While I certainly don't think this is a matter for the criminal justice system, I'm sorry folks, that Dad behaved very, very poorly.

Keeping your car in motion in a McDonalds parking lot with your 11 year old still clutching the door handle is NOT proper parenting, no matter what anyone says. :roll:
Agreed 100 percent. I'm all for disciplining kids, but I'm shocked at the number of people on this forum justifying the father's actions in this situation.
What!? When I was growing up, I got the crap beaten out of me everyday by both my parents. They finally stopped when I was big enough to fight back. I'm still alive so what's the big deal?

The father wasn't trying to discipline his kid. He was running from a situation and didn't care if his son got hurt in the process.
 

waggy

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Dec 14, 2000
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Originally posted by: moshquerade
when i was a kid we had to walk home uphill

both ways.

and people hit us with their vehicles... all the time. (sometimes it was our parents)

oh yeah!? when i was was a kid we had to walk 5 miles to then from school uphill in 5ft of snow both ways! even in the summer!

we didnt get hit with vehicles just snow plowes! one year i spent 4 months in a ditch covered in snow!
 

Nitemare

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Feb 8, 2001
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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Nitemaretimeout, lol. That's what is wrong with these kids nowadays. It's all about the medicating them with prozac and ritalin and the lack of a disciplinary figure that is making them grow up out of control.

I got sent to 0 timeouts as a child, but was on the receiving end of 2 spankings. It only took 2 to learn to either behave or at least don't get caught misbehaving.

I'll tell my child that if they ever call CPS on me for giving them a spanking, I'll send them to a boarding school or one of those schools for troubled kids that are led by marines. My sister has a son that is so out of control that he probably needs at least 2-3 spankings a day, yet he gets sent to timeout all the time and gets his ritalin dosage upped when he starts to get bad. I'm not sure if he has ever been spanked by his parents.

a good parent has diffrent punishments for diffrent offences.

my daughter acts up i tell her to stop. she refuses she gets a timeout. most of the time that works. IF it does not i excalate teh punishment.

if she gets up while in timeout she gets a swat on the ass and sat back down. she does it twice she gets 2 swats (rarely had to do this) and sent to her room for the rest of the day.

she acts like a little brat in the store she gets taken out and sat in the van. depending on what she did she may get a swat but no matter what she spends rest of the day in her room.

timouts are not bad. only time they are if that is the ONLY punishment used.

the only bad thing about that is kids nowadays have so much junk in their room, sending them to it is an award rather than a punishment. Send them to your room as punishment instead.
 

moshquerade

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Nov 1, 2001
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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: moshquerade
when i was a kid we had to walk home uphill

both ways.

and people hit us with their vehicles... all the time. (sometimes it was our parents)

oh yeah!? when i was was a kid we had to walk 5 miles to then from school uphill in 5ft of snow both ways! even in the summer!

we didnt get hit with vehicles just snow plowes! one year i spent 4 months in a ditch covered in snow!
oh yeah?!

ok, i concede. :Q :laugh:
 

waggy

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Dec 14, 2000
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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Nitemaretimeout, lol. That's what is wrong with these kids nowadays. It's all about the medicating them with prozac and ritalin and the lack of a disciplinary figure that is making them grow up out of control.

I got sent to 0 timeouts as a child, but was on the receiving end of 2 spankings. It only took 2 to learn to either behave or at least don't get caught misbehaving.

I'll tell my child that if they ever call CPS on me for giving them a spanking, I'll send them to a boarding school or one of those schools for troubled kids that are led by marines. My sister has a son that is so out of control that he probably needs at least 2-3 spankings a day, yet he gets sent to timeout all the time and gets his ritalin dosage upped when he starts to get bad. I'm not sure if he has ever been spanked by his parents.

a good parent has diffrent punishments for diffrent offences.

my daughter acts up i tell her to stop. she refuses she gets a timeout. most of the time that works. IF it does not i excalate teh punishment.

if she gets up while in timeout she gets a swat on the ass and sat back down. she does it twice she gets 2 swats (rarely had to do this) and sent to her room for the rest of the day.

she acts like a little brat in the store she gets taken out and sat in the van. depending on what she did she may get a swat but no matter what she spends rest of the day in her room.

timouts are not bad. only time they are if that is the ONLY punishment used.

the only bad thing about that is kids nowadays have so much junk in their room, sending them to it is an award rather than a punishment. Send them to your room as punishment instead.

heh yeha. my daughter has a TV in he room with a DVD player. BUT here is the funny part the TV does not work.

though she has a ton of books and a desk in her room. she is happy to sit and read/draw.


though she prefers to be out rideing her bike or somethin. her and the kids in town will ride down to the cow pasture and look at the cows and feed them.


 

ZetaEpyon

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Jun 13, 2000
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Two felony warrants were issued this week accusing Mr. Lieber of child endangering and child abandonment with intent to return.

"We asked if he had been punched or if the vehicle hit him," Chief Benjamin said. The child said "he was fine, but we contacted CPS to put them on the case. He was not struck [punched], and he was not endangered."

Um, what the hell?
 

SirStev0

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Nov 13, 2003
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I remember I was about 10 or 11 and My brother and I were in the back seat of my dad's truck acting lick dicks. I think we were hitting each other and arguing and such. About 2 miles away my Dad rips into us. Flips out. My brother says something really smartass (don't remember what). My dad opens the passenger door and tells us to get out. Drives away.

After that 2 mile walk home I got the point.
 

Regs

Lifer
Aug 9, 2002
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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Might as well just let the cops adopt the kid since they want to play parent so much.

Guess the red in red, white and blue stands for vagina

The cop is just doing his job. When people call in a complaint, cops can't ignore it. The DA is more than likely the dick whos going to play parent, but only because the community are a bunch of no-life's who play parent.

However, what was this guys intent? When the child comes chasing after the car, any child, you f'ing stop, I'm sorry. I stop for any kid running at my car, let alone my own. So this guys temper went red, and he likely didn't give a crap (at that time) if his kid got injured.

When I was young, I think even my father would of stopped. If im chasing after the car, then obviously I learned my lesson (or learned to bite my tongue).
 

Xavier434

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Oct 14, 2002
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It is stupid to leave you child behind like that. I am not saying I agree with the penalty but some punishment should be in place for it.

Last I checked, it is illegal in FL to leave a kid under the age of 12 alone without adult supervision. I don't really agree with that either because I think kids can be left in safety of their homes without the parents at a much younger age than that and be just fine, but that's the law.
 

DrPizza

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Seriously, are crime statistics higher now than they were 30 years ago? Out of every 100,000 children, are more of them likely to be abducted now than they were 30 years ago? (and with the pussification of society, where parents put harnesses on their children when walking through the mall...)

I think the only thing that's higher is our access to these news stories; they're always sensationalized - sensationalism sells more newspapers. 9 times out of 10, (probably more than that even), the person abducting the child is a relative, not some stranger.

 

DrPizza

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Here are some interesting things that I'm snipping from this article:

In 1972, 87 percent of children who lived within a mile of school walked or biked daily; today, just 13 percent of children get to school under their own power, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In a significant parallel, before 1980, only 5 percent of children were obese; today that figure has tripled, says the CDC.

Although statistics show that rates of child abduction and sexual abuse have marched steadily downward since the early 1990s, fear of these crimes is at an all-time high. Even the panic-inducing Megan's Law Web site says stranger abduction is rare and that 90 percent of child sexual-abuse cases are committed by someone known to the child. Yet we still suffer a crucial disconnect between perception of crime and its statistical reality. A child is almost as likely to be struck by lightning as kidnapped by a stranger, but it's not fear of lightning strikes that parents cite as the reason for keeping children indoors watching television instead of out on the sidewalk skipping rope.

Seriously, the media has made a Frankenstein out of this. Are there sick fucks in the world? Undoubtedly. Tell you children not to accept candy from a stranger. Hmmm, come to think of it, I wonder which statistic is higher: kids accidentally being killed while participating in organized athletics (baseball, football, soccer, etc.), or kids being intentionally killed by a stranger?
 

rh71

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People here who don't have kids need to realize it's never a matter of right and wrong, letter of the law, and all that. Sometimes you just lose it, need a few minutes to yourself. Hell, even recommendations for handling crying newborns include letting them ball while you take 3 minutes to yourself in another room to regain composure if you can't get them to stop. (See shaken baby syndrome).
 

Blueychan

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LOL @ AMERCA!!! At age 8, I walking home from school everday. In Vietnam, it's normal for kids as yound as 6 walking miles to/from school. 11 years old in America treated like baby. Pussy States of America.
 

dmcowen674

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Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: tenshodo13
The pussification of America continues.

It's a bit more than just simple "pussification".

It's controlling over the citizenry.

ATOTers of all should be used to this by now as they support this.

Telling people who they can't sleep with.

Telling people they must have babies.

Telling people they must support Military actions abroad.

Telling people they must be Religious.
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I used to roll all over town by myself at 11. WTF.

At your own will, but were you ever forcefully left behind somewhere by your parents at that age when you didn't want to be left behind?
 

SirStev0

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Nov 13, 2003
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Originally posted by: Xavier434
It is stupid to leave you child behind like that. I am not saying I agree with the penalty but some punishment should be in place for it.

Last I checked, it is illegal in FL to leave a kid under the age of 12 alone without adult supervision. I don't really agree with that either because I think kids can be left in safety of their homes without the parents at a much younger age than that and be just fine, but that's the law.

Holy Nanny State.
 

SirStev0

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Nov 13, 2003
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Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I used to roll all over town by myself at 11. WTF.

At your own will, but were you ever forcefully left behind somewhere by your parents at that age when you didn't want to be left behind?

Yes. It taught me to appreciate the fact that they were driving my ass around.
 

Xavier434

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Oct 14, 2002
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Originally posted by: SirStev0
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I used to roll all over town by myself at 11. WTF.

At your own will, but were you ever forcefully left behind somewhere by your parents at that age when you didn't want to be left behind?

Yes. It taught me to appreciate the fact that they were driving my ass around.

There are other very effective ways to teach such a thing that doesn't involve such extremes. My parents didn't have to do that to teach me. I am not having any problems teaching this kind of stuff to my son either.
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: Blueychan
LOL @ AMERCA!!! At age 8, I walking home from school everday. In Vietnam, it's normal for kids as yound as 6 walking miles to/from school. 11 years old in America treated like baby. Pussy States of America.
sounds like you'd be happier in the mother land. go back?
 

Anubis

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Aug 31, 2001
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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Here are some interesting things that I'm snipping from this article:

In 1972, 87 percent of children who lived within a mile of school walked or biked daily; today, just 13 percent of children get to school under their own power, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In a significant parallel, before 1980, only 5 percent of children were obese; today that figure has tripled, says the CDC.

Although statistics show that rates of child abduction and sexual abuse have marched steadily downward since the early 1990s, fear of these crimes is at an all-time high. Even the panic-inducing Megan's Law Web site says stranger abduction is rare and that 90 percent of child sexual-abuse cases are committed by someone known to the child. Yet we still suffer a crucial disconnect between perception of crime and its statistical reality. A child is almost as likely to be struck by lightning as kidnapped by a stranger, but it's not fear of lightning strikes that parents cite as the reason for keeping children indoors watching television instead of out on the sidewalk skipping rope.

Seriously, the media has made a Frankenstein out of this. Are there sick fucks in the world? Undoubtedly. Tell you children not to accept candy from a stranger. Hmmm, come to think of it, I wonder which statistic is higher: kids accidentally being killed while participating in organized athletics (baseball, football, soccer, etc.), or kids being intentionally killed by a stranger?


im gonna go with organized athletics for 200 Alex