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Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Here are some interesting things that I'm snipping from this article:

In 1972, 87 percent of children who lived within a mile of school walked or biked daily; today, just 13 percent of children get to school under their own power, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In a significant parallel, before 1980, only 5 percent of children were obese; today that figure has tripled, says the CDC.

Although statistics show that rates of child abduction and sexual abuse have marched steadily downward since the early 1990s, fear of these crimes is at an all-time high. Even the panic-inducing Megan's Law Web site says stranger abduction is rare and that 90 percent of child sexual-abuse cases are committed by someone known to the child. Yet we still suffer a crucial disconnect between perception of crime and its statistical reality. A child is almost as likely to be struck by lightning as kidnapped by a stranger, but it's not fear of lightning strikes that parents cite as the reason for keeping children indoors watching television instead of out on the sidewalk skipping rope.

Seriously, the media has made a Frankenstein out of this. Are there sick fucks in the world? Undoubtedly. Tell you children not to accept candy from a stranger. Hmmm, come to think of it, I wonder which statistic is higher: kids accidentally being killed while participating in organized athletics (baseball, football, soccer, etc.), or kids being intentionally killed by a stranger?

I hear weekly on the news of attempted abductions. The media wasn't as prevalent back in the day, if it was, we'd probably be under the same hysteria there is today.
 

Blueychan

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Blueychan
LOL @ AMERCA!!! At age 8, I walking home from school everday. In Vietnam, it's normal for kids as yound as 6 walking miles to/from school. 11 years old in America treated like baby. Pussy States of America.
sounds like you'd be happier in the mother land. go back?

No I love to live among the pussies.
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: Blueychan
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Blueychan
LOL @ AMERCA!!! At age 8, I walking home from school everday. In Vietnam, it's normal for kids as yound as 6 walking miles to/from school. 11 years old in America treated like baby. Pussy States of America.
sounds like you'd be happier in the mother land. go back?

No I love to live among the pussies.

how old are you? im curious because when i was younger i did all sorts of walking by myself and all that

hell after 7th grade if you took the later bus home it didnt stop everywhere the normal bus did, it droped me off 4 miles from my house @ ~430-445 i walked that more the once, often in the winter. its dark at 430 in maine in the winter, it was normal to do this

its only in the past 5 years this BS has gotten outta hand
 

Fingolfin269

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Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I used to roll all over town by myself at 11. WTF.

At your own will, but were you ever forcefully left behind somewhere by your parents at that age when you didn't want to be left behind?

Not that I recall but it wouldn't shock me to call up my mom or dad and find out they did in fact drop me off one day for being an idiot.
 

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
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timeout, lol. That's what is wrong with these kids nowadays. It's all about the medicating them with prozac and ritalin and the lack of a disciplinary figure that is making them grow up out of control.

I got sent to 0 timeouts as a child, but was on the receiving end of 2 spankings. It only took 2 to learn to either behave or at least don't get caught misbehaving.

I'll tell my child that if they ever call CPS on me for giving them a spanking, I'll send them to a boarding school or one of those schools for troubled kids that are led by marines. My sister has a son that is so out of control that he probably needs at least 2-3 spankings a day, yet he gets sent to timeout all the time and gets his ritalin dosage upped when he starts to get bad. I'm not sure if he has ever been spanked by his parents.

I respectfully disagree. I didn't "medicate" my children with anything, nor did I duck
out of the job of disciplining anybody. You acted out over candy or a toy, you didn't
get that item, I had no problem either with taking badly behaved children out of
the store and taking them home. I set age appropriate standards for behavior
and consequences for non-compliance and followed thru with those consequences.

Btw, parent's also need to TEACH appropriate behaviors and be clear about expectations, I remember that before big social occasions my mother would gather the troops and give us the "now hear this" talk, we knew going in what behaviors were expected of us, we also were told why those behaviors were expected.

 

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Blueychan
LOL @ AMERCA!!! At age 8, I walking home from school everday. In Vietnam, it's normal for kids as yound as 6 walking miles to/from school. 11 years old in America treated like baby. Pussy States of America.
sounds like you'd be happier in the mother land. go back?

You must be really dumb if you read into what he said that he was happy with all that walking.
 

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Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I used to roll all over town by myself at 11. WTF.

At your own will, but were you ever forcefully left behind somewhere by your parents at that age when you didn't want to be left behind?

11 fucking years old.

I bet you I had a bigger pair of balls at 11 than you'll have at 30.

Pussies
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: tfcmasta97
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I used to roll all over town by myself at 11. WTF.

At your own will, but were you ever forcefully left behind somewhere by your parents at that age when you didn't want to be left behind?

11 fucking years old.

I bet you I had a bigger pair of balls at 11 than you'll have at 30.

Pussies

The point is that there is not point to this course of action when other more reasonable courses of action can be taken. Stop thinking like a draconian.
 

Farang

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What the hell I was walking around town doing whatever I pleased by at least 10.. this kid has to walk home once and they arrest the father?
 

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Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: Geekbabe
When I was small my mother had what my siblings and I refered to as "The look"
when mom leveled her eye on you in that special way when out in public you knew that
you were to immediately cease whatever it was that you were doing/saying or there
would be hell to pay when she got you home. She never raised her voice or her hand
to us in public, there were no ugly situations in front of others.

I reared my own 3 the same way, there would be no ugly situations in stores
or restaurants or in other people's homes. Children quickly learn that though they
can chose to ignore you in public that they will in the end need to return home
and that their objectionable behaviors will be dealt with each and every time.

I find it very hard to beleive when people say there was no "ugly situations in public"

ims ure there was. but then you learned that was NOT a good idea. Same with your kids now. im sure there was but they learned that was not a good idea.

I can tell you RIGHT NOW, with my Dad, there were NO "ugly situations in public", at least from the time I was 5, which is all that I can remember. This was not backed-up with physical violence, either. My Dad only ever formally spanked me once in my life, and then never again.

We're pack animals, like dogs. Part of the problem today is that parents simply do not lay the groundwork early on that cements that hierarchy. It's common child psych teaching that kids need and want strict boundaries, and despite their protestations, actually thrive within them.

That kid in the OP thought he had the right to behave like an ass in McDonals because his Dad was . . . taking too long to eat! :shocked:

As a child, it would never have occured to me that I had any say in that matter at all!

My Dad never raised his voice all that much. He never needed to. The other kids in the neighborhood were all afraid of him anyway. My Dad had a presence to him that simply said, "The shennanigans stop here."

And they did.

The parenting failure in the OP happened loooong before that parking lot incident.

The idea of my Dad (or my Mom) acting like a little baby and driving away in such a situation makes me LOL.

 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: MrChad
Originally posted by: Perknose
While I certainly don't think this is a matter for the criminal justice system, I'm sorry folks, that Dad behaved very, very poorly.

Keeping your car in motion in a McDonalds parking lot with your 11 year old still clutching the door handle is NOT proper parenting, no matter what anyone says. :roll:
Agreed 100 percent. I'm all for disciplining kids, but I'm shocked at the number of people on this forum justifying the father's actions in this situation.
What!? When I was growing up, I got the crap beaten out of me everyday by both my parents. They finally stopped when I was big enough to fight back. I'm still alive so what's the big deal?

Previous Post: I would have beaten the shit out of the kid, broke his legs, and then made him walk [crawl] home.

God damn pussies!

The big deal is that you'll breed and perpetuate your white trash, "violence as a first resort" approach to child rearing. The anger has literally been beaten into you. Do us all a favor and get an immediate vasectomy.

 

RKS

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Originally posted by: RyanSengara
Originally posted by: Canai
While that may not be felony material, that guy is unfit to have kids. Leave an 11-year old at a fucking McDonalds?!? Almost back over the kid? WTF was that guy thinking?

When I was 12 I pissed off my mom at the local home depot, she left me there.

Not only did it tell me that my mom was pissed, and that there were reprecussions.. it also made me be ingenious, I called a cab and cabbed home and paid for it out of my own pocket.

Pussification. I swear.

and if you had a phone and money at 12 YO I bet it came from your mommy.
Irony/Exaggeration. I swear.
 

RKS

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When I was 3 I was sent to the mountains to fend for myself. I fought a mean looking mountain lion and came back with his hide draped across my back. When I returned I still had to fight the other kids in the hood to prove my worthiness to my parents. Only after a few ass-beating and my afore mentioned sabbatical was I accepted into our familial unit.
 

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Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Here are some interesting things that I'm snipping from this article:

In 1972, 87 percent of children who lived within a mile of school walked or biked daily; today, just 13 percent of children get to school under their own power, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. In a significant parallel, before 1980, only 5 percent of children were obese; today that figure has tripled, says the CDC.

Although statistics show that rates of child abduction and sexual abuse have marched steadily downward since the early 1990s, fear of these crimes is at an all-time high. Even the panic-inducing Megan's Law Web site says stranger abduction is rare and that 90 percent of child sexual-abuse cases are committed by someone known to the child. Yet we still suffer a crucial disconnect between perception of crime and its statistical reality. A child is almost as likely to be struck by lightning as kidnapped by a stranger, but it's not fear of lightning strikes that parents cite as the reason for keeping children indoors watching television instead of out on the sidewalk skipping rope.

Seriously, the media has made a Frankenstein out of this. Are there sick fucks in the world? Undoubtedly. Tell you children not to accept candy from a stranger. Hmmm, come to think of it, I wonder which statistic is higher: kids accidentally being killed while participating in organized athletics (baseball, football, soccer, etc.), or kids being intentionally killed by a stranger?

I hear weekly on the news of attempted abductions. The media wasn't as prevalent back in the day, if it was, we'd probably be under the same hysteria there is today.

And, I hear weekly about "attempted abductions" too; they're constantly in my inbox as precautionary. I'd imagine most of them start like this: "Excuse me little girl, can you tell me where..." "Stranger!!!" <10 minutes later> "Mommy, a stranger tried to talk to me." "Tell me, what did he look like, what color was his car..." <3 minutes later> "Hello, Police, yes, someone just tried to abduct my daughter."

Did you ever notice how there are a lot of "attempted abductions" but virtually zero arrests in such cases? Universally, the police are so incompetent that they can never catch these guys & universally, the kids never get a license plate number? Could it possibly be that when there *is* a license plate number, the police follow through with their investigation only to learn, "yet another over-reacting mother who watches too many television shows. The guy stopped to ask her if she could give directions to the school. Hell, he even had his wife and kids in the car with him." And, in other cases, sure, it may be a pervert or something staring at kids, but there's really no evidence of "attempted abduction" - it's just blown out of proportion. Here's one:
Investigators have impounded the vehicle driven by the man who the girl said tried to kidnap her twice as she walked to school. The latest attempted kidnapping is one of 7 reports since the first of the year. But detectives are not sure if they are all related. The vehicle that has been impounded is a late model Nissan Sentra with a front bumper vanity plate that reads, ?Fear This?. It perfectly matched the description given by the 11-year-old student at Healthy Start Academy who reported being followed twice. Principal Dietrich Danner said school staff quickly reacted to make sure the student was safe. ?Yes it?s scary, student safety is our first priority,? Principal Danner said. One resident of the Landon and Hardee neighborhood who frequently rides the city bus said the nearby stop is often teaming with children.He said he's not surprised to hear of the attempted abductions.

Yes, it's good to be alert & proactive. But people are counting all the false alarms when they try to come up with statistics. And, the only place I was able to find a statistic mentioned 450 attempts over a 3 year period; but even that place pointed out their stats shouldn't be taken too seriously because their sources weren't completely verifiable.

Look at the way that article was written: "latest attempted kidnapping is one of 7 reports..." It's designed to attract interest to the story as if there's something more interesting to read than there really is. Think about it; don't just let logic escape your reasoning. Child abductors went 0 for 7? As far as all of the crimes that can possibly be committed, child abducting must attract the most incompetent of all criminals. Are the sick disgusting perverts of the world really that incompetent? Again, there are some out there, and for that reason it's important to stay alert. But the number out there is blown way out of proportion & is not a reasonable reason to overly shelter children.

Just a quick google search will reveal just how poor individuals are (and the nation as a whole is) at realistic risk assessment. The media doesn't help - the media needs sensationalism to continue its existence (or at least the existence of the reporters writing those stories.) There are examples in all walks of life of how the majority of American's are incapable of comparing risks and logically making decisions.

edit: in support of some child abductors are pretty much idiots: here
 

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Ya, everyone is going on about how tough they were at 11 and how their mommy or daddy beat them, left them at a store... Well, times have changed, for better or for worse, they've changed. Kids are bigger pussies than they were then, and other parents/cops are more vigilant/pussified about "abuse". Without even considering whether the dad was right or wrong, that was a retarded thing to do in a world where you can sue over a 'grounding' and win.

On that note, my parents threatened to leave me at the mall a bunch of times when I was less than 10.
 

Blueychan

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: Blueychan
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Blueychan
LOL @ AMERCA!!! At age 8, I walking home from school everday. In Vietnam, it's normal for kids as yound as 6 walking miles to/from school. 11 years old in America treated like baby. Pussy States of America.
sounds like you'd be happier in the mother land. go back?

No I love to live among the pussies.

how old are you? im curious because when i was younger i did all sorts of walking by myself and all that

hell after 7th grade if you took the later bus home it didnt stop everywhere the normal bus did, it droped me off 4 miles from my house @ ~430-445 i walked that more the once, often in the winter. its dark at 430 in maine in the winter, it was normal to do this

its only in the past 5 years this BS has gotten outta hand

I am 25 atm. My family moved to America in 1990. I was eight year old and attended 3rd grade. Everyday I had to walk about 1.5 miles from our apartment to school and then back.
It felt normal for me, because in Vietnam, I had to walk 2miles to school from 1st grade to 2nd grade.

I also remember that when I was 6-7, i can make my own toys like kite(from newspaper and chopticks), motor boat (from cans and old motors), rubber band guns, water guns(from bamboo), etc. Kids in America don't know how to do crap. Most 11, 12, 13 years old are treated like they are baby. I pretty sure a couple generations ago, America wasn't this bad.
 

fstime

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Yup, def a sign of pussification there.

What a shame.

It's def not like this in all other countries (yet!).



USA is becoming pussified and a NANNY state.
 

PepePeru

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my mom did that to me once when i was 12 or 13.
i readily admit i was acting like a shit when she dropped me off at a band function.
she was not there to pick me up and said my ass is walking home when i was able to call her.
so, there i was in my dorky band outfit, shitty shoes walking about 2 miles carrying my baritone case.
that was certainly a humbling experience and i thank her for it.
 

Googer

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Originally posted by: tenshodo13
The pussification of America continues. 8 year olds in Korea regularly walk miles back and forth from school and other places. From the morning to late at night. I was one of them.

:thumbsup:
 

Googer

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Originally posted by: TehMac
Originally posted by: Baked
Seriously. When did America become the home of pussies? I learned to get home by myself taking the bus when I was six. What the hell's wrong w/ people now a days.

When the liberals and "progressive thinking" were welcomed with open arms.

It's almost fascism.
 

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Originally posted by: Perknose
While I certainly don't think this is a matter for the criminal justice system, I'm sorry folks, that Dad behaved very, very poorly.

Keeping your car in motion in a McDonalds parking lot with your 11 year old still clutching the door handle is NOT proper parenting, no matter what anyone says. :roll:

I agree. When I misbehaved as a child, my father would beat my ass and lock me in the trunk for the ride home. He would NEVER abandon me :shocked:
 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: Googer
Originally posted by: TehMac
Originally posted by: Baked
Seriously. When did America become the home of pussies? I learned to get home by myself taking the bus when I was six. What the hell's wrong w/ people now a days.

When the liberals and "progressive thinking" were welcomed with open arms.

It's almost fascism.

LOL, you don't have the FIRST CLUE what true facism is, probably because you're a spoiled little pussy. ;)