Father beats molester to a pulp after he sees him molesting son

[Demoralized]

Obviously not. Anyone ever touches one of my daughters in that way, they die. Simple as that. Call it what you want, but that's the reality of it. The justice system doesn't always work.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Obviously not. Anyone ever touches one of my daughters in that way, they die. Simple as that. Call it what you want, but that's the reality of it. The justice system doesn't always work.

^^ How is shit like this any different than gun advocates saying they can shoot anyone?

Ridiculous. I'm just playing devil's advocate here when I ask this: You the adult walks into the room in a situation similar to OP's story. The 18 year immediately STOPS his crime of touching the minor. Thus the crime is stopped. What in anyway means "Punch the living shit out of kid in order to stop the crime"?

 

[waggy]

IF i walked in and found anyone molesting my kids i am not sure what i would do. The thought makes me furious just talking about it. I would hope i have the self control the guy in the article did to just beat the shit out of them.

Though i can't falt parents who go get a gun and kill them either..

 

[highland145]

disappoint, kids or no kids?

 

[waggy]

Sick, twisted, disgusting blood lust. If you have homicidal tendencies against those who wronged you just come right out and say so. It's clear you are after revenge and taking out your anger by killing people and not after justice.

Justice is done when the child molester is behind bars and cannot harm another person in a free society.

Would you like to take all of the child molesters that are behind bars out right now, tie them down and torture them to death so you can express your anger and feel better about yourself? You can even wear a superhero outfit complete with a cape if you'd like.

shit dude. that's easy to say. but in reality what you would do if you seen some guy molesting your kids is different. I would hope I would have the self discipline to not kill the fucker...but in all honesty i can't say.

I can't blame a guy for it.

 

[disappoint]

disappoint, kids or no kids?

Try making your case without that information.

Justification for your actions should not depend on who my family consists of.

 

[Paladin3]

Society fails when we go easy on evil in an effort to convince ourselves that we are civilized. Child molesters and others who cross the line don't deserve to exist.

I served on a jury in a child molestation trial where the suspect was very much slam dunk guilty. There was tons of evidence, including the 10-year-old's testimony about what happened to him. Several jurors were hesitant to convict because they felt bad about taking away the defendants freedom. They were psychologically unwilling to accept that human beings can sometimes be nothing more than animals who need to be put down.

So, keep talking about how this guy didn't deserve the beating, or that wanting him dead so he can't hurt more kids makes us the animals, but you've got that backwards. Good folks who are willing to stand up against evil, even if it requires violence in some situation, are necessary for any peaceful society to exist.

 

[disappoint]

Obviously not. Anyone ever touches one of my daughters in that way, they die. Simple as that. Call it what you want, but that's the reality of it. The justice system doesn't always work.

Well what if they do something else to you? Like property damage or theft? Still want to kill them, or dole out your own version of justice just in case the justice system doesn't do it's job?

 

[disappoint]

IF i walked in and found anyone molesting my kids i am not sure what i would do. The thought makes me furious just talking about it. I would hope i have the self control the guy in the article did to just beat the shit out of them.

Though i can't falt parents who go get a gun and kill them either..

shit dude. that's easy to say. but in reality what you would do if you seen some guy molesting your kids is different. I would hope I would have the self discipline to not kill the fucker...but in all honesty i can't say.

I can't blame a guy for it.

You bring up some good points. And I understand where you're coming from. I understand anger can cause people to do things they wouldn't ordinarily do.

But you are advocating doling out a form of justice not agreed upon by society for that crime. Would you prefer the death penalty for that crime instead of the current penalty for it?

If so, the next question I have is would you feel better if you could get your hands around the criminal's neck and end his life yourself than you would if the criminal justice system handled it through capital punishment?

 

[Paladin3]

Well what if they do something else to you? Like property damage or theft? Still want to kill them, or dole out your own version of justice just in case the justice system doesn't do it's job?

You seem to labor under the delusion that all human life is sacred. It is not. Human life starts out sacred, but the actions of the individual can quickly change that.

We have a lot of folks who do no more than steal and take advantage of others, and the world would be better off without them. If someone acts so as to put themselves in this class of worthless individuals, then I don't want to hear anyone complaining about what happens to them, assuming society gave them ample chance to play nice and they still insisted on doing the opposite.

I know you are frothing at the mouth to hear someone say "yup, he cut in front of me at the check out so I shot him with my .44!" so you can pretend you are morally superior to someone who would take out a child molester they caught attacking their child. You never fail to disappoint.

 

[disappoint]

You seem to labor under the delusion that all human life is sacred. It is not. Human life starts out sacred, but the actions of the individual can quickly change that.

We have a lot of folks who do no more than steal and take advantage of others, and the world would be better off without them. If someone acts so as to put themselves in this class of worthless individuals, then I don't want to hear anyone complaining about what happens to them, assuming society gave them ample chance to play nice and they still insisted on doing the opposite.

I know you are frothing at the mouth to hear someone say "yup, he cut in front of me at the check out so I shot him with my .44!" so you can pretend you are morally superior to someone who would take out a child molester they caught attacking their child. You never fail to disappoint.

Quite the imagination you have there but I didn't do any frothing. It never occurred to me someone would shoot another for cutting in line either. I also don't pretend to be morally superior to anyone. Oh for three, how bad can that be? Still sure of what you know?

While we are on the subject of things I didn't do, here's another: I didn't project my own thoughts and pass them off as someone else's. What I have been doing, is trying to understand the human condition.

 

[Paladin3]

Quite the imagination you have there but I didn't do any frothing. It never occurred to me someone would shoot another for cutting in line either. I also don't pretend to be morally superior to anyone. Oh for three, how bad can that be? Still sure of what you know?

While we are on the subject of things I didn't do, here's another: I didn't project my own thoughts and pass them off as someone else's. What I have been doing, is trying to understand the human condition.

Yeah, I was having a bit of fun when I wrote the last paragraph. I knew it would get a response. Funny, you never respond to the actual points I make in threads like this, only the bits, like that last paragraph, where you can find me wrong on a silly technicality like me projecting or being "oh for three".

If you really want to debate a topic like this then please feel free to continue. I'll stand by my thesis that human life isn't sacred and if someone acts badly enough the world would be better off without them. And I'll lose no sleep over a father smacking the fvck out of a predator he catches molesting his kid. Nor will I in any world think that father did something wrong.

 

[Rakehellion]

^^ How is shit like this any different than gun advocates saying they can shoot anyone?

Ridiculous. I'm just playing devil's advocate here when I ask this: You the adult walks into the room in a situation similar to OP's story. The 18 year immediately STOPS his crime of touching the minor. Thus the crime is stopped. What in anyway means "Punch the living shit out of kid in order to stop the crime"?

You punch the living shit out of him to stop the crime. What if he tries to run? What if he pulls a knife? He's lost any benefit of the doubt in that situation.

 

[Demoralized]

Well what if they do something else to you? Like property damage or theft? Still want to kill them, or dole out your own version of justice just in case the justice system doesn't do it's job?

Not at all. My shit can be replaced, damage repaired. My family is all that matters. Time has proven that anyone can get out of jail with good behavior, the right deal, etc. I would make sure that anyone who does that would never have the chance to do it again. Period. No chance of parole, early parole for good behavior, none of that shit.

 

[1sikbITCH]

No, I meant civil court. Where did you get the idea I meant file criminal charges somehow?

"Your honor, while I was busy raping a child, his dad was violating my civil rights! I demand justice!"

 

[NetWareHead]

Sick, twisted, disgusting blood lust. If you have homicidal tendencies against those who wronged you just come right out and say so. It's clear you are after revenge and taking out your anger by killing people and not after justice.

Ok, I have homicidal tendencies against those who wronged me. Note that this is not something petty like cutting in line or some minor injury/insult. This situation is about a father catching a molester in the act of abusing his son. The father was defending his son. We also do not know if the molester fought back. By the look of his injuries, it looks like the father delivered multiple strikes to the molester's face and the fight continued for some time before the knockout blow that laid him out.

Justice is done when the child molester is behind bars and cannot harm another person in a free society.

I can also mete out my own form of justice and in a circumstance like this, you would be very hard pressed to find a court that would prosecute me. In this circumstance, I would not lose a wink of sleep whether the molester was collected by the police with severe injuries or bagged up by a coroner.

Would you like to take all of the child molesters that are behind bars out right now, tie them down and torture them to death so you can express your anger and feel better about yourself? You can even wear a superhero outfit complete with a cape if you'd like.

Not really. They were arrested and tried in a court of law and are serving their sentence. They didnt molest my children, family etc... so my urge for bloodlust is not there. That being said, if they were to meet some horrible accident in prison or suffer every day of their incarceration, I would not lose sleep over it either.

Somebody posted a youtube link of a father who got off a clean headshot on a convicted molester walking through the airport; supposedly the molester had abused his son. I would say that I could, in this situation, still understand the father's continued urge for revenge (even long after the crime had occurred) and would possibly acquit if I were on a jury where the father had to answer for the killing.

You seem to labor under the delusion that all human life is sacred. It is not. Human life starts out sacred, but the actions of the individual can quickly change that.

This x 100 Respect gets and deserves respect.

 

[highland145]

Try making your case without that information.

Justification for your actions should not depend on who my family consists of.

Before, stories like this would piss me off and I wouldn't give a rats ass what was done to the perp. Having a child of my own has made me fiercely protective of him. Sure, it's an emotional response and I don't care. Logic/reason would go out the window.


I think I might like a blue cape.

 

[highland145]

Somebody posted a youtube link of a father who got off a clean headshot on a convicted molester walking through the airport; supposedly the molester had abused his son. I would say that I could, in this situation, still understand the father's continued urge for revenge (even long after the crime had occurred) and would possibly acquit if I were on a jury where the father had to answer for the killing.

IIRC, the father claimed temporary insanity even though it had been some time difference. He was acquitted.

 

[Sho'Nuff]

^^ How is shit like this any different than gun advocates saying they can shoot anyone?

Ridiculous. I'm just playing devil's advocate here when I ask this: You the adult walks into the room in a situation similar to OP's story. The 18 year immediately STOPS his crime of touching the minor. Thus the crime is stopped. What in anyway means "Punch the living shit out of kid in order to stop the crime"?

You are assuming that any father in that situation would be able to act (or react) rationally. I am a generally calm, rational person. But f*ck man. I think I would completely lose control if I walked in on someone molesting my son or daughter and I bet most dads would feel the same way.

Will it give your kid their innocence back? No. Will it undo the wrong that was done to them? No. But some actions just deserve an ass kicking. Moreover in this case the father could likely assert that he was coming to the defense of another (i.e., his son), which is a defense similar to an argument of self defense. Given the situation it would be hard for a judge or jury not to agree, particularly as the dad walked in on the molester and may have only hit him a few times.

FWIW - if the father had killed the molester I think that would be a different story. He would likely have been convicted of manslaughter. The state would have a difficult time proving he had the mental state for murder, as the father would likely raise extreme emotional distress as a defense.

 

[NetWareHead]

IIRC, the father claimed temporary insanity even though it had been some time difference. He was acquitted.

Golf clap for the father's lawyer. Lying in wait indicates clear premeditation and would bring a first degree murder charge; a capital offense in some states. The fact he was able to defend against this AND get acquitted indicates serious lawyering skills as well as a synpathetic judge/jury.

 

[NetWareHead]

^^ How is shit like this any different than gun advocates saying they can shoot anyone?

Ridiculous. I'm just playing devil's advocate here when I ask this: You the adult walks into the room in a situation similar to OP's story. The 18 year immediately STOPS his crime of touching the minor. Thus the crime is stopped. What in anyway means "Punch the living shit out of kid in order to stop the crime"?

What makes you think the assault/molestation stopped the moment the father walked in the room? Lets assume the molester was caught red handed; as in the carnal act of sexual assault. The molester's dick was out and IMO the assault is not ended. The father was justified in assuming the danger to his son was not over.

FWIW - if the father had killed the molester I think that would be a different story. He would likely have been convicted of manslaughter. The state would have a difficult time proving he had the mental state for murder, as the father would likely raise extreme emotional distress as a defense.

You may have a point there but I fall back to the Latin saying of "testis unis testis nullis" (one witness is no witness). If the father was enraged enough to murder the molester on the spot; the father's account of the incident will be the only one the cops can make note of. The father can claim the molester continued the assault, tried to attack the father or something else believable. The son will surely corroborate the father's story and prosecution may not have a case.

 

[PliotronX]

He doesn't have a case. No lawyer would defend him.

Never say never; just when you think it's against all odds, here comes:

 

[waggy]

Before, stories like this would piss me off and I wouldn't give a rats ass what was done to the perp. Having a child of my own has made me fiercely protective of him. Sure, it's an emotional response and I don't care. Logic/reason would go out the window.


I think I might like a blue cape.

NO CAPES!

 

[highland145]

NO CAPES!

That actually went through my mind. So you have a kid that's early/middle teen too?

 

[Krazy4Real]

Craig, I like having some dialogue with you but any and all child molesters should be killed on the spot.

Touch my child and the perp will die if I can get to them.

Just like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3Hyxuf5AE&feature=player_detailpage#t=38

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