Faster nVIDIA nForces coming

[bluemax]

Well, SiS's own site showed 3Dmark2000/2001 performance of its integrated solution vs. GF2MX-200. It was about 40% faster than an MX-200... Not toooo shabby, and not as bad as you're making it out to be.

 

[Athlon4all]

Care to give a link? In any case, I wouldn't trust their benchmarks.

 

[bluemax]

On this page, go to the SiS650 presentation. It's a few slides in, but it's easy to find. Just look for "3D performance".
Other than SiS315 video cards, that's about all the benchmarks I've found.

 

[Athlon4all]

Hmmm. Interesting. I think I need to look into it more. I think something to keep in mind that it is a MX200. A MX 200 has barely half the memory bandwidth of a MX400, and 420-D still will provide at least 60% more bandwidth. I guess only an actual comparision will tell, but I think that it's safe to say that the difference between the 420-D and the SiS 740 will prolly be somewhere around the difference between 220-D and 420-D (220-D is usually between 25-40% slower than 420-D) considering that the 220-D and SiS 740 both have the same amount of theoretical bandwidth you know?

 

[RanDum72]

<< This is not a hardcore overclockers board. >>

I now have the Asus A7N266-E and this thing has a fixed AGP/PCI clock no matter how high you set the FSB. This alone qualifies it as a hardcore OC board. No need to look for the mystical 1/5 PCI divider, this thing is even better. The only things that will hold you back is the memory and how high the CPU can OC. Right now my Crucial PC2100 is maxing out between 150-161 FSB, with 152 being absoultely stable. I will order some Mushkin PC2700 ( otherwise known as DDR333) maybe around next week and see what happens.

As for performance, testing both my Asus A7N266-E and Epox 8KHA+ under Sandra 2001te memory benchmarks, the epox hovers around 890-910, the Asus is around 990-1090 ( CPU is Athlon XP 1600+@1.4ghz stock, memory is Crucial PC2100 256mb x2).

 

[BalAtWork]

Yes,


The only reason I would say Non hardcore overclockers board is due to the fact the integrated video might be a very strong reason why some boards do not overclock well.

Right now my Crucial PC2100 is maxing out between 150-161 FSB, with 152 being absoultely stable. I will order some Mushkin PC2700 ( otherwise known as DDR333) maybe around next week and see what happens.

That would mean your onboard video would be doing MUCH better then the stock 420-D video. Any benches comparing the stock vs the overclock for the video? It might justify that extra asus cost right there for my friend. He still has a GeForce DDR.

 

[Athlon4all]

<< Any benches comparing the stock vs the overclock for the video? It might justify that extra asus cost right there for my friend. He still has a GeForce DDR. >>

Well if you do the math, running the Memory at 152MHz would give the GPU a minimum of 2.43GB/ps of bandwidth, but more like 2.762GB/ps because the CPU can't use the extra bandwidth, so, prolly a nForce running at 152MHz will perform exactly like a GF2MX, but it would still lag behind a GF256 DDR. If you were using DDR333 and the memory bus running at 166MHz, then the GPU would have as much as 3.3GB/ps which would definately put some distance between it and a MX. I dunno though how it would do compared to a GF256 DDR

 

[Gstanfor]

I could be wrong here, since I don't have the p/review in front of me, but, a site out there did take a look at SiS's new standalone cards. Yes, they were somewhere between MX200 & MX400 in performance, (I would argue any new new card needs at least that much power - if you can't manage to get that much performance forget about producing video chipsets) BUT, the way they acheive that speed is to downsample and blur textures to hell and back again (less bandwidth required per frame rendered).

Hardly an acceptable roadway to performance IMHO, though YMMV.

Greg

 

[Athlon4all]

<< BUT, the way they acheive that speed is to downsample and blur textures to hell and back again (less bandwidth required per frame rendered). >>

Hmmm, yet another development. That's even worse than what ATi did in Q3A with the R8500 if it's true. I dunno. I still will be getting a nForce in any case

 

[thorin]

"<< Don't you mean "if its price was comparable or lower then the price of a VIA or SiS board plus a video card" ????? >>


>> Nope, the price of an nForce w/o video compared to VIA or SiS. "

Now I can see where you're coming from.

Thorin

 

[kgraeme]

I just noticed this from the article:

"nVIDIA's current nForce 415-D chipset without on-board graphics costs $30."

Can somebody please, please, please tell me where I can get a 415-D board for $30?!?

 

[CraigJay]

$30 is the OEM cost of the chipset from nVidia. Not the cost of an entire motherboard from a manufacturer.

 

[thorin]

kgraeme
"'nVIDIA's current nForce 415-D chipset without on-board graphics costs $30.'

Can somebody please, please, please tell me where I can get a 415-D board for $30?!? "

Heh this reminds me of Gr 10 reading comp.

The quote you're talking about doesn't say anything about boards. It says chipset. (And BTW that's $30 when purchasing in 1000s).

Thorin

EDIT: 'Scuse me I'm in a bad mood today...it isn't you.

 

[Strafe]

I found a thread at the nvnews forums with info from someone who claims to be from a 'well-known gaming PC manufacturer'. Says he has been testing the 415-D and that 'The 415 is the most stable, well-rounded chipset I've seen for AMD in a while'. However, there are major problems with the audio when connected to an analog speaker system. Supposedly, NVIDIA has a fix and 'I haven't gotten any samples yet, but trust me. I flew to San Fran for the GF4 launch, and while there, I was invited to NVIDIA in Santa Clara. They took me into the labs to show me something that should be rearing its head very shortly, and Creative is NOT going to like it - digital OR analog. =)'.

So take that for what it's worth. Could be a cleverly written hoax, or it could also explain why we're seeing all these WOA boards. BTW, the post is here.

 

[kgraeme]

<<
The quote you're talking about doesn't say anything about boards. It says chipset. (And BTW that's $30 when purchasing in 1000s).

Thorin

EDIT: 'Scuse me I'm in a bad mood today...it isn't you. >>



Hehe. Sorry to tweak you on a bad day. I knew exactly what they were talking about. I figured the overdone plea would tip me off. Hope your night goes better than your day. I hear that something called booze helps.

 

[bluemax]

Naw, alcohol is a depressant. You'd be better off to go laugh at a Future Shop salesman.

 

[thorin]

" Hehe. Sorry to tweak you on a bad day. I knew exactly what they were talking about. I figured the overdone plea would tip me off. Hope your night goes better than your day. I hear that something called booze helps. "

Geez man I'm sorry I didn't even notice the "please please please" part. Anyway it's all good and yes my night turned out better.

Someday MBs'll be down to $30 and it'll be easy and cheap to play hacking around with OCing crap and breaking things by pushing them way way way too far.

"Naw, alcohol is a depressant. You'd be better off to go laugh at a Future Shop salesman. "

Heh I like to go in there and just talk to them (they never keep up on the tech industry), they get confused so easily

Thorin