Farcry 2 results: GF100 Vs. GTX285

[Schmide]

That would put the gtx 380 faster then the 5970 and equal to 2 gtx 285's.
Not bad.

If they can maintain the clocks. As I've said before, performance usually follows power with some bonus for fabrication process.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Oh oops I was looking at the GTX285 numbers... Sounds real then, going by that benchmark above, about the performance difference you would expect from generation to the next

The performance gain from 4870 to 5870 is about the same actually, except it came out months ago

I remember alot of people were disappointed (including me), so how come now everyone thinks this is awesome? And for a card that should have arrived last year? Hmmm...

 

[PingviN]

I hope this is true so we can have a price war again, but I can wait 'till Sunday to know for sure.

And I can bet my cup of coffe on that being a GTX380.

 

[Kuzi]

Nice performance numbers if true

 

[tviceman]

IF that's a gtx 360 score and IF they're getting 20% yields on their highest end (512sp) fermi part, then I think nvidia will have overcame a large number of obstacles and will have produced a great product.

What is even better is that with a die shrink and a few adjustments to the desktop chip (trim the fat off the steak, so to speak) the next iteration of fermi that will come out around christmas time *should* be what the 8800 GT was to the 8800 series cards.

That's all still a big IF though.

 

[at80eighty]

If we have more leaks like this maybe the buying frenzy for the ATI 5 series would subside

 

[Shilohen]

I remember alot of people were disappointed (including me), so how come now everyone thinks this is awesome? And for a card that should have arrived last year? Hmmm...

I think simply because the expectations were now very low and people started fearing to not see any price war. If those number are correct, and the 18% bonus applies to the 360 and not the 380, and the pricing is right, then we may see very nice prices soon instead of overinflated ones.

 

[Shilohen]

lol, I'm gonna save that gif for later I think.

 

[tviceman]

I think simply because the expectations were now very low and people started fearing to not see any price war. If those number are correct, and the 18% bonus applies to the 360 and not the 380, and the pricing is right, then we may see very nice prices soon instead of overinflated ones.

If these are the GTX360 results, then my guess:

GTX 360 ~ $425-450 initial MSRP
GTX 380 ~ $550-600 initial MSRP

If these are the GTX380 results, then my guess:

GTX 360 ~ $399
GTX 380 ~ $499-549

 

[T2k]

Nice performance numbers if true

Dunno, even if it's true I'm not particularly blown away by this - remember, Crysis and Far Cry 2 are the archetype of TWIMTBP games, always performed much better on Nvidia cards than other games when compared to their ATI counterparts.

Show me Clear Sky or Pripyat benchmarks, DiRT2, Bioshock 2 benches etc. If those do not show at least 20% advantage over 5870 then Fermi is a complete dud for me - like an old, crappy prostitute: big, hot and bothered and overpriced.

 

[toyota]

If these are the GTX360 results, then my guess:

GTX 360 ~ $425-450 initial MSRP
GTX 380 ~ $550-600 initial MSRP

If these are the GTX380 results, then my guess:

GTX 360 ~ $399
GTX 380 ~ $499-549

$600 is not very likely for the single gpu gtx380. so what do you think the gtx390 will cost because gtx380 is not even their top card?

as for as specs I would think the gtx380 would be 448-512sp and the gtx360 would be 384-416sp. the gtx390 would likely just be two gtx360s.

 

[nitromullet]

Dunno, even if it's true I'm not particularly blown away by this - remember, Crysis and Far Cry 2 are the archetype of TWIMTBP games, always performed much better on Nvidia cards than other games when compared to their ATI counterparts.

Show me Clear Sky or Pripyat benchmarks, DiRT2, Bioshock 2 benches etc. If those do not show at least 20% advantage over 5870 then Fermi is a complete dud for me - like an old, crappy prostitute: big, hot and bothered and overpriced.

It's not as if you'd buy an NVIDIA card anyway.

IMO, these results are probably about what most people were expecting given most of the rumors we've heard so far. Personally, I'm not shocked, surprised, blown away, or disappointed.

 

[T2k]

If these are the GTX360 results, then my guess:

GTX 360 ~ $425-450 initial MSRP
GTX 380 ~ $550-600 initial MSRP

If these are the GTX380 results, then my guess:

GTX 360 ~ $399
GTX 380 ~ $499-549

Keep on dreaming - these prices would be devastating for NV because all ATI had to do is lower the 5870 and maintain a comfortable lead...

PS: of course, they will try to recoup their sky-high R&D costs but I don't think initial prices will hold too long.

 

[T2k]

It's not as if you'd buy an NVIDIA card anyway.

Ehh? As I wrote in many topics already I had several Nvidia cards - last time an OCZ mfr-OC'd 8800GTX@Ultra lasted over 18 months, up until my 4870/4850X2 2GB arrived...

IMO, these results are probably about what most people were expecting given most of the rumors we've heard so far. Personally, I'm not shocked, surprised, blown away, or disappointed.

THat's what I said too but I added I find suspicious that coincidentally this is one of the most NV-optimized games that always do way better on NV than other games......

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

I hope this is true so we can have a price war again.

this!

 

[Obsoleet]

very cool - cant wait for the slugfest to begin

It already happened, NV got knocked out by AMD and Intel. No chipset sales, lackluster video cards from 2006 designs. That company is becoming a joke (Intel's insides?)

Same hoopla and puffs of smoke that the company that's behind in tech has done time and time again. There's nothing new here, propaganda to convince people to WAIT(!!!!) and stem the flood.. and when it finally does arrive in 6 more months we'll have a very hard-to-find, very expensive, loud, hot piece of hardware. Not to mention all new drivers and we know that is not Nvidia's forte any longer.

Now, here's to hoping for competition in the market, but ATI has proven they will provide fast cards that are based on 2010 technology, for reasonable prices even with no competition (reason I jumped on a 5870).

 

[toyota]

It already happened, NV got knocked out by AMD and Intel. No chipset sales, lackluster video cards from 2006 designs. That company is becoming a joke (Intel's insides?)

Same hoopla and puffs of smoke that the company that's behind in tech has done time and time again. There's nothing new here, propaganda to convince people to WAIT(!!!!) and stem the flood.. and when it finally does arrive in 6 more months we'll have a very hard-to-find, very expensive, loud, hot piece of hardware. Not to mention all new drivers and we know that is not Nvidia's forte any longer.

Now, here's to hoping for competition in the market, but ATI has proven they will provide fast cards that are based on 2010 technology, for reasonable prices even with no competition (reason I jumped on a 5870).

lol. okay. I want to see your reaction in less than 3 months when most of your claims turn out to be nonsense.

 

[happy medium]

Dunno, even if it's true I'm not particularly blown away by this - remember, Crysis and Far Cry 2 are the archetype of TWIMTBP games, always performed much better on Nvidia cards than other games when compared to their ATI counterparts.

Show me Clear Sky or Pripyat benchmarks, DiRT2, Bioshock 2 benches etc. If those do not show at least 20% advantage over 5870 then Fermi is a complete dud for me - like an old, crappy prostitute: big, hot and bothered and overpriced.

http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage/Alleged-GeForce-GTX-360-and-380-benchmarks-Surface-4.jpg/

 

[Obsoleet]

lol. okay. I want to see your reaction in less than 3 months when most of your claims turn out to be nonsense.

It's all educated guesswork from my contacts in China and Taiwan. But, if I'm wrong, I might buy the FergiFX.. or I will simply buy ATI's waiting-in-the-wings 5000 series refresh. The 5870 (at least mine) is a monster overclocker. Price and yields/availability is the real kicker here, and they're competing/bidding on space at TSMC with AMD to begin with.

Hate to be the one to spoil the party, but AMD has this on lock boys. Can't wait for the Cypress refresh, and I look forward to YOUR reactions when it's released a month after FermiFX.

 

[Silverforce11]

Something that will be interesting is how well GF100 overclocks. From rumors, it appears to run hot and drain ~250W already for a single chip.

This is a big factor as well as features imo. For instance, if the 360 don't OC so well, a 5870 can easily OC to 950 or 1ghz and catch up in performance. Similarly, the 5970 is a monster OCer, becoming even faster than 2x 5870 CF.

The price and OC headroom is going to make things very interesting. I hope NV can pull it off to force a good competition and price wars.

 

[happy medium]

It's all educated guesswork from my contacts in China and Taiwan. But, if I'm wrong, I might buy the FergiFX.. or I will simply buy ATI's waiting-in-the-wings 5000 series refresh. The 5870 (at least mine) is a monster overclocker. Price and yields/availability is the real kicker here, and they're competing/bidding on space at TSMC with AMD to begin with.

Hate to be the one to spoil the party, but AMD has this on lock boys. Can't wait for the Cypress refresh, and I look forward to YOUR reactions when it's released a month after FermiFX.

If Amd has it's refresh 1 month after Fermi releases, I'd be very surprized.
A refresh will not make up for a 30% loss anyway.

Card to make a wager troll?
Have a paypal account?

 

[happy medium]

Something that will be interesting is how well GF100 overclocks. From rumors, it appears to run hot and drain ~250W already for a single chip.

This is a big factor as well as features imo. For instance, if the 360 don't OC so well, a 5870 can easily OC to 950 or 1ghz and catch up in performance. Similarly, the 5970 is a monster OCer, becoming even faster than 2x 5870 CF.

The price and OC headroom is going to make things very interesting. I hope NV can pull it off to force a good competition and price wars.

What makes you think a gtx 360 won't overclock well?
So what you are saying is a overclocked 5870 will match the performance of a gtx 360? Thats good news for Nvidia.

 

[nitromullet]

Ehh? As I wrote in many topics already I had several Nvidia cards - last time an OCZ mfr-OC'd 8800GTX@Ultra lasted over 18 months, up until my 4870/4850X2 2GB arrived...

I stand corrected.

THat's what I said too but I added I find suspicious that coincidentally this is one of the most NV-optimized games that always do way better on NV than other games......

Actually, what you said was:

Show me Clear Sky or Pripyat benchmarks, DiRT2, Bioshock 2 benches etc. If those do not show at least 20% advantage over 5870 then Fermi is a complete dud for me - like an old, crappy prostitute: big, hot and bothered and overpriced.

I won't debate the old, crappy prostitute part because I obviously can't match your knowledge in that area.

 

[Silverforce11]

What makes you think a gtx 360 won't overclock well?
So what you are saying is a overclocked 5870 will match the performance of a gtx 360? Thats good news for Nvidia.

From all the news recently, fermi has problem with achieving high clocks. It has heat problems and drains a lot of power. Add it up and i dont think it can OC well.

Regardless, i just noticed something from that bench. Its Ranch Small, not the typical level most review site use to benchmark cards. Found this one, interesting results..

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=820&type=expert&pid=6

This has the same level. The 5870 scores 83 fps at the same res and quality. Also note the big increase in 5970 fps when OCed.

Here you can see another review with that level:
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=21179&page=9

Very similar results.

I thought it was a bit good to be true, if the 360 indeed is that good nV would have been boasting everywhere. Here, a bench on FC2 using best case scenario map.. showing very similar results to the 5870.

Fermi is DOA if its price won't be similar.

 

[Obsoleet]

If Amd has it's refresh 1 month after Fermi releases, I'd be very surprized.
A refresh will not make up for a 30% loss anyway.

Card to make a wager troll?
Have a paypal account?

Well, I'd prefer to have my dad beat up your dad.

But sure, I'd card to make a wager with you. You did question the right person for a bet as I'm game.

I will be upfront about one thing- it's not completely fair because I do have contacts in the industry (in manufacturing across Asia, no direct contacts at NV or AMD), but if you need to do this to sleep at night, PM me with details and we can get this ball rolling. I want your top bet amount you're willing to gamble, and the exact details. Don't contact me with some a scrappy bet, if I'm going to be spending time researching, bothering my family in China and Taiwan, I want a $10,000USD+ profit out of this. I might consider a $5,000 wager. Shoot me a line.