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FarCry 1.2 patch - up to 33% improvement for NV40... DoH! JUST KIDDING!

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When did I say it was no big deal? A "free" speed boost is always wanted. It would be nice to know what percentage of the game is a "complex shader area". But I doubt there is any way of knowing this. Seems like the X800 Pro is faster in the "regular" part of the game (for lack of better word) and the GT is faster in heavy shader areas. Both are usually within 5fps of each other, so its a pretty moot point to me, for now anyways.

Of course ATi is going to develop a PS/SM3.0 card, they stated they didnt because they didnt feel like it would not be benifical to them this round, because it will be a while before its wide spread. Just like NV made a PS1.4 card, when ATi already had one out.
 
Originally posted by: oldfart
Where are the "ooooohhh shiny floors smack..smack..smack..." comments this time around?
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lol, and they defended that wet dream so ardently at the time.
:beer:
 
Originally posted by: fsstrike
LMAO! ATI still kicks butt even though nvidia has its SM3.0 support lol! This REALLLLLLLLLY makes me laugh!

ATI Wins:
4/4 mp_airstrip
4/4 mp_mangoriver
1/4 research
0/4 regulator
2/4 training
1/4 volcano
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ATI = 12
nVidia = 10
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Seems to me that all the sm3.0 "hype" was just a load of crap. ATI still pwns.

So where do all those extra features bring you? A higher price for one, a higher electrical bill for two, a lost PCI slot and no bragging rights.

Even though the evidence cleary shows that ATI is AHEAD of nVidia (even though nvidia has sm3.0 support and ATI DOESNT) nVidiost WILL still come in here claiming that the 6800 is the god of video cards. If you can't accept the evidence, dont post in this thread.
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Fsstrike:
I have run the SM3 vs non SM3 version of Far Cry, and have seen a significant difference in performance on my 6800NU in the research and volcano demos where the SM3 is actually supposed to show it's differences in performance.
How can this a bad thing worthy of this flame post?

BTW- are you still using the 4200? If so, what do you care so much about PS2 vs SM3 performance in Far Cry anyway? I doubt you can even play Far Cry?
 
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: fsstrike
Haha I like all the excuses these guys are making! Just face it.
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Saving face how? Its a fact. nVidia made 4 demos, and they will be in the next patch, and that is what was used. In those 4 demos, the GT won. In the two that Anand made, the Pro won. nVidia isnt stupid, Im sure they made the demos in the part of the game that showed it in the best circumstances.
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May I direct your attention here.

Keep in mind that yes, Rollo has his own ways about him, but lying is not one of them. I would trust these results no matter which way they came out, whether in favor of nvidia or not. So should you over any review site that exists out there.

If anyone else in here has a 6800xx would you please try the same testing.
 
in complex shader scenes, the gt6800 beats the x800xt even still on the revised charts, plus you seem to not realize that the 1.2 patch does not give full sm3 support and was not intended to.
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No, the GT (or the Ultra for that matter) NEVER beats the XTPE. I guess you meant the pro.

Not everyone said SM3 was of little use:
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It's not a matter of being little use, but rather a problem in that it had little effect on more typical gameplay (see anand's 2 demos where SM3 didn't help much), and that in the case of this game, it still wasn't enough to be the best card to run this particular game.
 
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: fsstrike
Haha I like all the excuses these guys are making! Just face it.
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Saving face how? Its a fact. nVidia made 4 demos, and they will be in the next patch, and that is what was used. In those 4 demos, the GT won. In the two that Anand made, the Pro won. nVidia isnt stupid, Im sure they made the demos in the part of the game that showed it in the best circumstances.
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May I direct your attention here.

Obviously Rollo didn't have Nvidia made demos. Keep in mind that yes, Rollo has his own ways about him, but lying is not one of them. I would trust these results no matter which way they came out, whether in favor of nvidia or not. So should you over any review site that exists out there.

If anyone else in here has a 6800xx would you please try the same testing.
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You are right that I don't lie, I don't have any reason to. The demos I used are in patch 1.2, others here can replicate my results when it comes out soon. Have to leave till tomorrow, happy 4th everyone!
 
Again, here is the evidence that ATI beats nVidia. The MAIN point here however, is not how little ATI won, it is that they won AT ALL! nVidia should have CRUSHED ATI in every single SM3.0 benchmark. In fact, nVidia didnt even have to CRUSH ATI. They just had to win. nVidia LOST, and it is PROVEN right here. nVidia loses 40% of the time even WITH it's SM3.0 support. Or does this sound better? ATI WINS 60% of the time WITHOUT any SM3.0 support. Look at the results, youll see for yourself.

P.S. I do NOT think SM3.0 is a BAD thing at all. In fact, it is a good thing. But JUST because the 6800xx has SM3.0 support, DOESNT mean it is better than ATI. I am simply pointing this out. ATI can WIN without all the bells and whistles. Another thing, I would be HAPPY if ATI had sm3.0 support, but I honestly do not care, because ATI still manages to be #1 without it.

ATI Wins:
4/4 mp_airstrip
4/4 mp_mangoriver
1/4 research
0/4 regulator
2/4 training
1/4 volcano
-----------------
ATI = 12
nVidia = 10
-----------------

"ATI = 12 nVidia = 10 ATI = 12 nVidia = 10 ATI = 12 nVidia = 10 ATI = 12 nVidia = 10 ATI = 12 nVidia = 10 ATI = 12 nVidia = 10 ATI = 12 nVidia = 10 ATI = 12 nVidia = 10 ATI = 12 nVidia = 10 ATI = 12 nVidia = 10 ATI = 12 nVidia = 10 ATI = 12 nVidia = 10 ATI = 12 nVidia = 10 ATI = 12 nVidia = 10 ATI = 12 nVidia = 10. Get that in your head everyone." Repeat, and repeat, and repeat.
 
Originally posted by: fsstrike
Again, here is the evidence that ATI beats nVidia. The MAIN point here however, is not how little ATI won, it is that they won AT ALL! nVidia should have CRUSHED ATI in every single SM3.0 benchmark. In fact, nVidia didnt even have to CRUSH ATI. They just had to win. nVidia LOST, and it is PROVEN right here. nVidia loses 40% of the time even WITH it's SM3.0 support. Or does this sound better? ATI WINS 60% of the time WITHOUT any SM3.0 support. Look at the results, youll see for yourself.

P.S. I do NOT think SM3.0 is a BAD thing at all. In fact, it is a good thing. But JUST because the 6800xx has SM3.0 support, DOESNT mean it is better than ATI. I am simply pointing this out. ATI can WIN without all the bells and whistles. Another thing, I would be HAPPY if ATI had sm3.0 support, but I honestly do not care, because ATI still manages to be #1 without it.

ATI Wins:
4/4 mp_airstrip
4/4 mp_mangoriver
1/4 research
0/4 regulator
2/4 training
1/4 volcano
-----------------
ATI = 12
nVidia = 10
-----------------

"ATI = 12 nVidia = 10 ATI = 12 nVidia = 10 ATI = 12 nVidia = 10 ATI = 12 nVidia = 10 ATI = 12 nVidia = 10 ATI = 12 nVidia = 10 ATI = 12 nVidia = 10 ATI = 12 nVidia = 10 ATI = 12 nVidia = 10 ATI = 12 nVidia = 10 ATI = 12 nVidia = 10 ATI = 12 nVidia = 10 ATI = 12 nVidia = 10 ATI = 12 nVidia = 10 ATI = 12 nVidia = 10. Get that in your head everyone." Repeat, and repeat, and repeat.
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This guy is even dumber than Cindy22. And thats saying something.
 
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
This guy is even dumber than Cindy22. And thats saying something.
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You must be completely retarted, can you not see that 60% is better than 40%? Are you that dumb? Are you in grade 2? Or are you just so stubborn that you cant handle to truth? Face it buddy, you dont know sh!t, and your a nobody. A nobody who thinks they know what they are talking about. So please, go ask your mommy and daddy to teach you how to count.
 
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: Ackmed

Saving face how? Its a fact. nVidia made 4 demos, and they will be in the next patch, and that is what was used. In those 4 demos, the GT won. In the two that Anand made, the Pro won. nVidia isnt stupid, Im sure they made the demos in the part of the game that showed it in the best circumstances.
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May I direct your attention here.

Keep in mind that yes, Rollo has his own ways about him, but lying is not one of them. I would trust these results no matter which way they came out, whether in favor of nvidia or not. So should you over any review site that exists out there.

If anyone else in here has a 6800xx would you please try the same testing.
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I dont see what this matters in this discussion, if anything it backs up what I was saying. NV made the demos, and it would be ignorant to think they didnt do it in the best possible place to make them look better.

Why should I trust some forum poster over credible review sites? Im not saying rollo would lie, I dont even know him. Hes obviously very pro-NV however. The increases he shows simply do not match up with other reviews, not any of them. The difference should go down, not up when lowing the res. Its becomes more CPU bound at 1024x768 vs. 1600x1200.
 
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: Ackmed

Saving face how? Its a fact. nVidia made 4 demos, and they will be in the next patch, and that is what was used. In those 4 demos, the GT won. In the two that Anand made, the Pro won. nVidia isnt stupid, Im sure they made the demos in the part of the game that showed it in the best circumstances.
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May I direct your attention here.

Keep in mind that yes, Rollo has his own ways about him, but lying is not one of them. I would trust these results no matter which way they came out, whether in favor of nvidia or not. So should you over any review site that exists out there.

If anyone else in here has a 6800xx would you please try the same testing.
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I dont see what this matters in this discussion, if anything it backs up what I was saying. NV made the demos, and it would be ignorant to think they didnt do it in the best possible place to make them look better.

Why should I trust some forum poster over credible review sites? Im not saying rollo would lie, I dont even know him. Hes obviously very pro-NV however. The increases he shows simply do not match up with other reviews, not any of them. The difference should go down, not up when lowing the res. Its becomes more CPU bound at 1024x768 vs. 1600x1200.
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Weren't you the guy with an X800Pro saying it ran at some ridiculously cool temp, thus discounting the many websites that said they ran hot as hell? If so, that's pretty lol considering you're running a _WATERCOOLED SYSTEM_ thats not putting out nearly as much heat on the card as us people with normal airflow cooling.
 
Originally posted by: fsstrike
You must be completely retarted, can you not see that 60% is better than 40%? Are you that dumb? Are you in grade 2? Or are you just so stubborn that you cant handle to truth? Face it buddy, you dont know sh!t, and your a nobody. A nobody who thinks they know what they are talking about. So please, go ask your mommy and daddy to teach you how to count.
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ATI Wins:
4/4 mp_airstrip
4/4 mp_mangoriver
1/4 research
0/4 regulator
2/4 training
1/4 volcano

4+4+1+2+1=12

conversely,

nVidia Wins:
0/4 mp_airstrip
0/4 mp_mangoriver
3/4 research
4/4 regulator
2/4 training
3/4 volcano

3+4+2+3=12

12=12...

ATi wins 50%, and nVidia wins 50%
 
Originally posted by: nitromullet
Originally posted by: fsstrike
You must be completely retarted, can you not see that 60% is better than 40%? Are you that dumb? Are you in grade 2? Or are you just so stubborn that you cant handle to truth? Face it buddy, you dont know sh!t, and your a nobody. A nobody who thinks they know what they are talking about. So please, go ask your mommy and daddy to teach you how to count.
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ATI Wins:
4/4 mp_airstrip
4/4 mp_mangoriver
1/4 research
0/4 regulator
2/4 training
1/4 volcano

4+4+1+2+1=12

conversely,

nVidia Wins:
0/4 mp_airstrip
0/4 mp_mangoriver
3/4 research
4/4 regulator
2/4 training
3/4 volcano

3+4+2+3=12

12=12...

ATi wins 50%, and nVidia wins 50%
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But thats impossible...Nvidia cannot possibly win anything by any margin even if they sold out to satan himself ! :roll:
They both are coming out pretty dead even anyway you cut it. The ONLY retard here is the one who is saying one sucks over the other with out backing it up with some credible evidence.
Besides right now the new patch only some speed it doesnt make it some blindingly fast demon from hell and if you thought it would be...you were hoping too much. Now the next patch may bring more to the table..myself Id like to see this HDR done between the 420 and 6800 since both can do it and if I remember right in theory the 6800 should be able to do it faster...Im interested then
 
Originally posted by: Apophis

Weren't you the guy with an X800Pro saying it ran at some ridiculously cool temp, thus discounting the many websites that said they ran hot as hell? If so, that's pretty lol considering you're running a _WATERCOOLED SYSTEM_ thats not putting out nearly as much heat on the card as us people with normal airflow cooling.
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You may want to actually check your facts, before looking foolish. I didnt post "ridiculously cool temp". They are average for a X800 Pro. 38c'ish idle, 66c'ish load. Also, if you had even looked at my system, only my CPU and chipset are watercooled right now.

Show me where "many websites that said they ran hot as hell", waiting on those links.
 
this wasn't about bashing sm3; rather simply a little play on a misinformed thread title which was never corrected.

as GeneralGrievous stated rather well,

It's not a matter of being little use, but rather a problem in that it had little effect on more typical gameplay (see anand's 2 demos where SM3 didn't help much), and that in the case of this game, it still wasn't enough to be the best card to run this particular game.
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sm3 has benefits, but it's nowhere near what the nv fanboys trumpeted... especially all those who said x800 owners would "cry" when far cry with sm3 came out. again, it's not a feature anyone would necessarily "miss" if they didn't have it.
 
 
Haven't you heard? Hellas has won the European Championship!!!!!! :beer: 😀

Anyway it's still too early to jump into some safe conclusions
SM 3.0 is definately beneficial and will be more in the future.
KUDOS to all the REAL gamers who want the best for our hobby!! Competition
The key for better games is the continuous straggle between both companies to present better products
:thumbsdown: to all the fanboyz (you know who you are) who don't achieve nothing else everyday than making fools of themselves!!

AGAIN GO ELLADARAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! CHAMPIONS OF EUROPE!!!
 
fsstrike's analysis was so ill-conceived that I felt compelled to sort out this madness. Analyzing the numbers with a more discerning eye (<5% = tie, only count SM3 numbers for nV, compare cards at same price point):

MAP: PLAIN [GT/P, U/XTPE]; AA+AF [GT/P, U/XTPE]
airstrip: tie, XTPE; P, PE
mango river: tie, XTPE; P, XTPE
research: GT, U; GT, XTPE
regulator: GT, U; GT, tie
training: GT, tie; tie, XTPE
volcano: GT, U; GT, tie

16x12 0x0 WINS-LOSSES-TIES:
GT: 4-0-2
P: 0-4-2
U: 3-2-1
XTPE: 2-3-1

16x12 4x8 WINS-LOSSES-TIES:
GT:3-2-1
P: 2-3-1
U: 0-4-2
XTPE: 4-0-2

So the GT looks like the clear winner at $400, and the XTPE looks like the better choice at $500 (where you'll using AA+AF more likely than not, even at 16x12). I'm ignoring the 6800UE b/c I doubt it'll ever be released as such and it'll probably be over $500 if it is (call me extremely skeptical of its mere presence, let alone its ever-increasing speeds), and the 6800 because it has no direct competition here and 128MB is really not suited for 16x12 4x8 (no doubt it'll beat a 9800XT, but a X800SE might prove tougher competition).
 
Originally posted by: Ackmed
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Originally posted by: Ackmed

Saving face how? Its a fact. nVidia made 4 demos, and they will be in the next patch, and that is what was used. In those 4 demos, the GT won. In the two that Anand made, the Pro won. nVidia isnt stupid, Im sure they made the demos in the part of the game that showed it in the best circumstances.
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May I direct your attention here.

Keep in mind that yes, Rollo has his own ways about him, but lying is not one of them. I would trust these results no matter which way they came out, whether in favor of nvidia or not. So should you over any review site that exists out there.

If anyone else in here has a 6800xx would you please try the same testing.
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I dont see what this matters in this discussion, if anything it backs up what I was saying. NV made the demos, and it would be ignorant to think they didnt do it in the best possible place to make them look better.

Why should I trust some forum poster over credible review sites? Im not saying rollo would lie, I dont even know him. Hes obviously very pro-NV however. The increases he shows simply do not match up with other reviews, not any of them. The difference should go down, not up when lowing the res. Its becomes more CPU bound at 1024x768 vs. 1600x1200.
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Because review sites are not credible Ackmed and probably never were except for maybe the very beginning. I only say this because the review sites vary so much from each others results that they aren't really any help. The only thing these reviews get accomplished is to get everyone all fired up and direct traffic to their forums and ensuring everyone sees the banner ads.
 
Originally posted by: fsstrike
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
This guy is even dumber than Cindy22. And thats saying something.
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You must be completely retarted, can you not see that 60% is better than 40%? Are you that dumb? Are you in grade 2? Or are you just so stubborn that you cant handle to truth? Face it buddy, you dont know sh!t, and your a nobody. A nobody who thinks they know what they are talking about. So please, go ask your mommy and daddy to teach you how to count.
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Ok sparky, where in this post did I say that 60% is not faster than 40%? I was referring to the way you present yourself in this forum. Quite a lot like a dumb sh!t. Nothing to do with video cards or which one is faster. Just you. Happy 4th.

P.S. Even if I was in grade 2, I'd still be 2 years ahead of your sorry a$$.
 
Originally posted by: Pete
I'm ignoring the 6800UE b/c I doubt it'll ever be released as such and it'll probably be over $500 if it is (call me extremely skeptical of its mere presence, let alone its ever-increasing speeds), and the 6800 because it has no direct competition here and 128MB is really not suited for 16x12 4x8 (no doubt it'll beat a 9800XT, but a X800SE might prove tougher competition).
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They might not be called 6800UE, but most of the 6800Us are shipped with default core speed of 425mhz or higher.
 
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