Far right wins big in France after attacks, same here?

[shady28]

This here. I don't think someone who has only lived in America can understand the differences in political left/right leaning in other countries. In Canada our right wing party, the Conservatives, are less right leaning than the Democrats in America.

The right wing of the US is not representative of right wing parties in most other first world nations. They are often aligned with racism, proliferation of every firearm known to man, homophobia, denial of scientific truths, Christian dogma etc. Those are unacceptable qualities to the point that they would guarantee the party never getting elected in a lot of countries.

A matter of perspective I guess.

For example, PEGIDA is considered a far-right group in Germany that wants to alter its immigration legislation to be more similar to....

Canada's immigration laws...

Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamisation of the Occident[note 1] (German: Patriotische Europäer gegen die Islamisierung des Abendlandes), abbreviated PEGIDA or Pegida, is a German anti-Islamic[1][2][3] political movement founded in Dresden in October 2014. It organized weekly demonstrations from October 2014 to February 2015 against what it considers the Islamisation of the Western world, calling for more restrictive immigration rules, particularly for Muslims. It seeks to alter German immigration legislation so that it becomes similar to Australian immigration programs and Canadian immigration categories.

Source

 

[bradly1101]

I bet French far right supports keeping the universal single payer health system they have.

Once you have that, no one wants to give it up. I wonder why.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Incredible truth

Not at all. Right-wing parties elsewhere are always blasted as racist; see the BNP or UKIP, for example.

 

[bradly1101]

Because the constant beating on the war drums makes it sound like they're doing something. It's great for a feel good feeling that action is being taken, even if it isn't actually accomplishing anything. Most don't realize that ISIS and all the others aren't the type of organization that will be bombed into submission. All that will do is drive them in deeper while simultaneously souring the non terrorists opinions of America.

For all practical purposes, Anonymous has been more successful in waging a war on terror than our government has. Our government basically waddles into the middle east, hands out weapons and vehicles and training like candy and then when the terrorists are armed up and suited up with American bought equipment we then spend even more on war machines to fight them.

One wonders if the better way to fight terror is to simply stop arming the Osama's and Saddam's and Contra's of the world and use our NSA and CIA to completely cripple and undermine their message and propaganda like Anonymous does. For all the lives and weapons and dollars expended in the middle east, I just don't see an acceptable return.

I agree wholeheartedly. We arm different sides and wonder why the rifts widen. By causing an end to Sunni power in Iraq, we sparked a Shia/Sunni war for the ages. We may have a lot of responsibility, but IMO it shouldn't be our fight. The lessons of Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan tell us that we are not very successful against certain foes, and that we are far from being honest and infallible.

 

[Knowing]

Please. Europe's economy is not doing so hot after years of the banksters in charge.

It's austerity, good for the soul & for the people at the top.

So France's socialist government was powerless? Shame that pesky EU government was overriding their will to deficit spend even harder. Why did they give up self government? Also, banksters have had it so hard over here.

 

[bradly1101]

We haven't just weaponized this country, we've helped spread them around the world. And those on the other side will arm their fighters too. We've ended up in this world saturated with weapons. If a man has a gun, he wants to shoot it. Heck we give out weapons and supply reasons to use them.

My brother's girlfriend would justifiably roll her eyes and say, "Boys and their toys..." and trail off in resigned frustration.

There are just so many weapons now along with people willing to use them that purging them is about as likely as us men giving up the true power.

There are female candidates running, but they both seem a bit hawkish. Hmmm. In France the hawk on the right is female. The Front put out this poster:

 

[Indus]

Not at all. Right-wing parties elsewhere are always blasted as racist; see the BNP or UKIP, for example.

Yes but how many % of votes do they get? 2%?

 

[trenchfoot]

Per the OP's thread title, "Far Right wins big in France after attacks, same here?"

This is exactly the kind of reaction our own far right is fervently hoping for, and is precisely the reason why our far right has been characterized as being pro-war, and regrettably, also the ones that are, in knee-jerk fashion, handed control of the government once the shooting war commences.

Our far right knows this well, and is always ready to do another song and dance that the Bush/Cheney cabal successfully pulled off with the hugely profitable outcomes for the select few and the disastrous results that the vast majority of the nation had to suffer from.

The neocon/far right formula is the same as it ever will be: Convince the people that there is an existential threat to the nation and the nation will reflexively vote for those that are promoting and sustaining the fear mongering.

As we all know, many of our conservative leaders have branded themselves and perpetuated the notion that they are the ones to rely on in times of strife and turmoil, as obviously, it gives them the gift of grasping the reins of power and holding on to it until the nation refuses to put up with the inevitable over-reaching heinous shenanigans they perpetrate on the nation while in power.

Our far right is on the very edge of their tolerance for how the nation is being held back from engaging in another war so as to bless them with another chance at controlling the Oval Office.

I hope we all learned and pay heed to the lessons that Bush and Cheney taught us.

 

[Jaskalas]

Isis and their ilk want to draw us out into the desert where they think they can win. I'm guessing that our best military minds who are well aware of our recent failures are understandably reluctant to meet them in the field like that. Yet conservatives want to ramp up the war.

A field? We'd decimate them 100,000 to 1.
It's playing police on city streets that causes our heavy losses.

 

[Brian Stirling]

The huge waves of immigrants coupled with periodic terrorist attacks have given the anti-immigrant and anti-Muslim right wing lots of ammunition and they're using it.

I expect most of Europe to move to the right and where ever the issue of immigration and terror is highest the move will be even farther right.

Although the Republicans appear to have little chance in 2016 I'd argue that:

1. If a significant terrorist attack happens in the USA between June and late October the Republicans gain 2%-5% net.

2. If the economy turns south the Republicans gain 2%-5% net.

3. If any of the Syrian refuges are involved in any significant crime the Republicans will gain 1%-3% net.


If all these things happen the Republicans will have the biggest landslide in history!

If none of these things happen Hillary will win big!

If any two happen the next president will be an R and it wouldn't matter if that R was an unpolished turd!

If either of the first two happens then it will be a toss-up.

If just the last one happens Hillary would still win but the odds go from 65-35 to 51-49.


Brian

 

[Jhhnn]

Since the start of time the ring wing has loved to use fear mongering to get votes, in fact you can say even ISIS is part of the ring wing, and it too uses fear mongering to get supporters, it is just points its fears at the west.

Islamic Jihad is a very conservative ideology, no doubt, considerably more popular worldwide than similar Christian ideologies like Kony's Army of God.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

 

[Jhhnn]

So France's socialist government was powerless? Shame that pesky EU government was overriding their will to deficit spend even harder. Why did they give up self government? Also, banksters have had it so hard over here.

The French govt wasn't socialist from 1995 until 2012. Reference Chirac & Sarkozy. The French were seduced by the right wing rhetoric of the international bankster community much as we were, the same as much of Europe. They also operate under the fiscal & monetary constraints of the Euro.

Conservative politicians are traditionally the enablers of that financial elite, everywhere. Their rhetoric wrt other issues is mere deception.

 

[Knowing]

The French govt wasn't socialist from 1995 until 2012. Reference Chirac & Sarkozy. The French were seduced by the right wing rhetoric of the international bankster community much as we were, the same as much of Europe. They also operate under the fiscal & monetary constraints of the Euro.

Conservative politicians are traditionally the enablers of that financial elite, everywhere. Their rhetoric wrt other issues is mere deception.

Your ability to excuse anyone on the left for anything, for any reason is unparalleled.

 

[werepossum]

For all of that, the root problem isn't addressed.

I find it truly amazing that he recognizes the issues and then proceeds directly to making it worse.

 

[bradly1101]

A field? We'd decimate them 100,000 to 1.
It's playing police on city streets that causes our heavy losses.

Sorry when I said "in the field" I meant "on their turf where they think they can win. Numbers matter little if they're replaced with more.

 

[WelshBloke]

I agree with the people here pointing out that "right" in EU politics and American politics are totally different.

http://www.france24.com/en/20140528-france-national-front-policy-eu

Thats some of the FNs policies.

American right seems more corporatism and the European right is more nationalistic.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Here in New Zealand the democrats would be considered right wing (maybe even far right) and the Republications would be considered a hate group and lumped together with the rest of the weirdo fringe parties.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

The far right in France is like a moderate to moderate right in the US political spectrum. They would basically be in the democrat party, no question.

 

[WelshBloke]

The far right in France is like a moderate to moderate right in the US political spectrum. They would basically be in the democrat party, no question.

The far right in France are pretty racist and anti semitic.

 

[mysticjbyrd]

The far right in France are pretty racist and anti semitic.

You can be against the immigration of muslims without being a racist. How are they anti-Semitic?

 

[WelshBloke]

You can be against the immigration of muslims without being a racist. How are they anti-Semitic?

They really dont like Jews?

The founder of the Front national in France is a Holocaust denier for a start. We can go on from there if you want?

 

[mysticjbyrd]

They really dont like Jews?

The founder of the Front national in France is a Holocaust denier for a start. We can go on from there if you want?

Okay, list something that didn't happen a century ago.

 

[WelshBloke]

Okay, list something that didn't happen a century ago.

He was only kicked out of the party in 2015 after suing them.

The Front National has only been around since the 70s.

 

[shady28]

Yes but how many % of votes do they get? 2%?

You keep lumping "Right" with "Far Right".

The Far Left in France stands for communism, anti-capitalism, Trotskyism (form of communism), and ultra-nationalism. They don't get many votes either.

The Far Right stands for libertarianism, anti-EU, anti-immigration, and ultra-nationalism.

What is being called a far-right group is actually more center right with their main "far-right" policy being anti-immigration, but w/e I guess you want to keep spinning it.

It looks to me like the "Right" in general is getting ~60% of the vote. But there are multiple parties on the right (and left).


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Le-Pen-springboard-2017-presidential-bid.html

France's far-right National Front topped the country's regional election vote on Sunday in a breakthrough that shakes up the country's political landscape.
The anti-immigration party received at least 29.4 per cent of the votes as the country continues its state of emergency following the Paris terror attacks.
It won six out of 13 regions in the election's first round, which 44 million people were eligible to vote for.

 

[WelshBloke]

...The Far Right stands for libertarianism...

As far as I remember the FN is into trade protectionism, I dont think they are into freedom (socially or economically wise).