Fanatics at their best!

[HombrePequeno]

<< WTF, I am leaving this thread before I get myself banned. The absolute retards who support whatever they read and bash the hell out of what they niehter read nor want to understand astounds me.

And no, I'm NOT talking about the Creationists. >>



Are you talking aboot yourself? Instead of calling people absolute retards (and making yourself look like a fool in the process), you could try to help us understand. I doubt it will work but it will probably help more than calling people retards.

 

[mplogic]

<<<<<This was caused by a lack of science not by science. The church said the Earth was the center of the universe not science. Any scientist caught disagreeing with the church was severely punished and essentially gagged.

Again your thoughts and conclusions prove my statement is 100% correct:>>>>> -Iron Woode

Actually that is a completely untrue statement. The modern scientific community of the time generally followed Aristotle?s observations of physics and cosmology. Yes, they happened to be supported by the Catholic Church, however these were considered fact by the majority of the scientific community, which is why the Church adopted such a standing. Galileo supported Copernican theory, which was not supported by the scientific community. There were a lot more politics involved than you might think.

There is an interesting discussion of these events here. One interesting point from it:

"In addition, rather than setting his ideas forth in a manner allowing people to digest them in their own time, Galileo tended to push them onto people. He continued this practice even when advised against it by such friends as Monsignor Giovanni Ciampoli, Piero Dini (the archbishop of Fermo), and Prince Federico Cesi, founder of the Accademia die Lincei, Europe?s first "scientific society" (de Santillana, 43)."

What got Galileo labeled a Heretic was his own actions combined with the politics of the time. The Church was actually in fact supporting the current scientific community!

<<As soon as one group starts saying its only a theory, I stop listening to them as they are just ignorant of facts and just want to shove their twisted views on me.>> -Iron Woode

Isn't this EXACTLY what Galileo was doing in his time? I suppose this is a very easy way to never have to question anything. Hopefully, as you go on in life, you will realize that there aren't simple black and white answers to everything. Perhaps if you read the rest of my comment, you would realize that I actually supported your statement. I only ask that everyone actually use their own reasoning ability instead of being led.

It's my theory, that as time and Science progresses, it will continue to support Biblical history. If Science can acknowledge that there at least might be a god or higher power of some sort at work in the universe, it will be able to grasp it's own limitations, and only then true scientific advancement will be possible. Again, I site Einstein. He understood such things and his insignificance in the universe, and yet is known as making some of the most revolutionary scientific discoveries in man's history.

 

[exp]

Bwahahaha!! I can't believe some people in this thread are actually supporting this website (or at least the anti-evolution part of it).

I'm reminded of a special that PBS did a few months ago, "The Creationist Controversy". They interviewed this so-called "creation science" advocate (a southern good 'ol boy type) and asked him why he was so passionate about opposing the Theory of Evolution. You know what that fool said? He explained, with 100% sincerity, that he believed the teaching of evolution in high schools to be the root of ALL of society's problems, including (and he named specifically) crime, drugs, and AIDS. Yep, this f**king dumbass actually blamed the AIDS epidemic on our acceptance of evolution as a real phenomenon.

It is truly frightening to think that there are people that ignorant out there.

 

[StinkyMeat]

I thought it was entertaining...not going to comment any more than that...

 

[Iron Woode]

<<What got Galileo labeled a Heretic was his own actions combined with the politics of the time. The Church was actually in fact supporting the current scientific community!>>


Wrong! He was labelled a heretic for proving (using his telescope) that the accepted church teachings that God made the universe a specific way, was in fact wrong. The so-called perfect creation in which everything revolved around earth (how egotistical of man!) was put into serious doubt and contradicted what was taught. The status quo existed because the church dictated it to the masses. Remember there were no public schools then. Instead of backing down and keeping his mouth shut, he continued to tell everyone about what he obvserved. This lack of submission to the church and the fact that doubt was creeping into people's minds about the truth comming from the church was what got him into trouble. He was imprisoned and lost his sight and his dignity because he choose to think for himself instead of letting the church do it for him.

Now that your history lesson is over, please stop pushing your obviously twisted version of history and facts on me and everyone else?
Go away and say 12 hail mary's and pray for everyone's souls.

 

Thoes comics are hilarious.

I read them while smoking a huge joint and drinking a pint of boddingtons.

 

[montanafan]

I do not feel obliged to believe that the
same God who has endowed us with sense, reason
and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
?Galileo

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."
__Einstein

Most of the world's accomplished scientists either believed in God, or did not dismiss His existence as easily as many in this thread have. Science and religion are not incompatible.

 

[BoberFett]

<< Go away and say 12 hail mary's and pray for everyone's souls. >>

Iron Woode is the atheistic counterpart to the very website he's attacking.

I suppose you won't be happy until all Christian's are burned at the stake or fed to the lions, eh Iron Woode? Talk about fanatics, you're the definition of one. Religious? No. Fanatic. Yes. Too bad you're so blinded by your ego to see the truth, that you're just as bad as the people you hate.

 

[Texmaster]

Its always funny to see Christianity who out of the three major religions of the world is the most liberal gets the most abuse from the Liberal Atheists and the simple angry people of the forum.

Many messages are important. Some mey not be. But dismissing the enitre thing is in itself ignorance.


I'd love to see how many Liberals would dump on a Muslim web site promoting violence.

 

[Nefrodite]

lets just tweak texmasters rants a bit to show their basic structure and similarity to others that lack critical thought.



Its always funny to see Christianity who out of the three major religions of the world is the most infidels gets the most abuse from the Infidel Atheists and the simple angry people of the forum.

Many messages are important. Some mey not be. But dismissing the enitre thing is in itself ignorance.


I'd love to see how many Infidels would dump on a Muslim web site promoting violence.



stop listening to hate radio, your rants are as bad as any nutbags. gotta create a fictional enemy.

 

[Texmaster]

<< stop listening to hate radio, your rants are as bad as any nutbags. gotta create a fictional enemy. >>



LOL There goes Nef again, instead of adressing the point I made he runs away and hides behind an obsolete stance.

Typical Nef

And there is nothing fictional about Christian bashing Nef

 

[Martin]

<< Its always funny to see Christianity who out of the three major religions of the world is the most liberal gets the most abuse from the Liberal Atheists and the simple angry people of the forum. >>



Christianity is what most people here (be they atheist or agnostic or deitist) are familiar with, so it'll get bashed the most. If it makes you feel any better, know that I despise all religioins equally.



<< Many messages are important. Some mey not be. But dismissing the enitre thing is in itself ignorance.
I'd love to see how many Liberals would dump on a Muslim web site promoting violence. >>




Most people (like me) don't dismiss religion based solely upon a cartoon made by some extremists.

And I don't know about any liberals, but I wouldn't treat a muslim site any differently. F*ck PC.

 

[oLLie]

Christian bashing is wrong, or any religion bashing actually... but to defend that website is worse!
*edit* or at least just as bad!

 

[Sir Fredrick]

<< from lord mauls initial post i think it blew his mind that the site wasn't absolutely true guess the brain washing he's getting from home schooling is working fight the doubt lord maul! your parents aren't feeding you bs! its all true! god is lord! >>



Nefrodite, I do not agree with LordMaul or this stupid website, but I take slight offense to your home schooling comment, as I am a former homeschooler.
I also feel that the term brainwashed is tossed around too lightly.
The parents of a good friend of mine recently got divorced, and to be completely honest, her father is an ass, and a bit out of his head (judging by what I've seen of him anyway). Well, the kids don't particularly like him either as he is verbally abusive, and has hit them on occasion (only two incidences that I know of). Anyway, he and his extended family are accusing her mom of brainwashing the kids so that they wouldn't like their father.
Absolute trash.

 

[geek167]

If you want some good cartoons to mock, go here. They're actually pretty funny.

 

[BDawg]

As for evolution, I'm not saying it's a fact, but here's what I know about science and religion.

Every single truth discovered by science from the earth revolving around the sun has been ridiculed and declared sinful by religion. Those who concur with these facts have been ridiculed, tortured, and killed in the name of God. I'm siding with group who's actually been right.

 

[BoberFett]

<< As for evolution, I'm not saying it's a fact, but here's what I know about science and religion.

Every single truth discovered by science from the earth revolving around the sun has been ridiculed and declared sinful by religion. Those who concur with these facts have been ridiculed, tortured, and killed in the name of God. I'm siding with group who's actually been right. >>

Wow, I don't even have to do research to call you a fool for saying that. Quit making sh!t up.

 

[BDawg]

<< Wow, I don't even have to do research to call you a fool for saying that. Quit making sh!t up. >>



That is a common response from someone who is ignorantly blinded.

Things the church has said are wrong:

The earth being flat
The earth bieing the center of the universe
The motion of the stars
That moonlight is produced by the moon

Copernicus was afraid to publish his findings until his deathbed.
Galileo was described above.
How about Giordano Bruno?

Admittedly, science has been wrong, but at least they admit they're wrong. When religion is wrong, they try to convence their members it's everyone else who's wrong. I mean the Bible can't be wrong, right?

Perhaps you should should do some research.

 

[BoberFett]

Nice strawman. But you should really leave it out in the fields where it belongs.

Show me the church edicts declaring that everything ever posited by scientists was sinful. Is there one stating that atoms don't exist? Or maybe the one that condemns electricity.

You're a fcking fool. Way to lay a blanket statement to support your pathetic position.