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Fallujah II -- The Destrucion of al Qaim

BBond

Diamond Member
Fallujah is still mostly uninhabitable six months after the U.S. military destroyed it looking for Zarqawi. Now they're looking for Zarqawi again and the unfortunate residents of al Qaim are suffering the same fate as the residents of Fallujah.

It has happened throughout Iraq time and time again since Bush illegally invaded and still, unbelievably, there are people who insist it isn't happening.

But it is.

"Things have been far worse than we have been told, our administration more bloody and inefficient than the public knows."

Human Tragedy Unfolds in Iraq?s Al-Qaim

AL-QAIM, Iraq, May 13, 2005 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies)

Hundreds of Iraqi families have fled the western Iraqi town of Al-Qaim to escape the ongoing US attacks there, with the Red Crescent warning that the US offensive has turned the city into a ?big disaster?, as local inhabitants complained about the stench of dead bodies laid on the streets or beneath the rubble of houses as a result of the fierce US offensive.

Firdous Al-Abadi, a spokesman for the Iraqi Red Crescent Society (IRCS), said more than 100 Iraqi families have fled Al-Qaim in the Al-Anbar province near the Syrian borders to the town of A?ana, some 75 km from Al-Qaim.

She added that unknown numbers of Iraqi families also fled to Rawa and Haditha, some 70 km to the northeast.

?More people are desperately trying to leave the town and according to our information US troops have closed all exit points,? Abadi told the Integrated Regional Information Networks (IRIN) Thursday, May 12.

The ongoing clashes in the city barred many medical convoys from reaching the city to bury corpses of the Iraqis killed in the fighting, whose bodies are laid on the streets and beneath the rubble of the houses.

?The situation is very tragic and could turn into a disaster because of the dead bodies which are left in the streets,? doctor Walid Al-Obeidi told Al-Quds Press Friday.

He urged both US occupation forces and Iraqi resistance fighters to halt the clashes to allow the medical convoys to bury the dead.

More than 1,000 US Marines have been launching a sweeping offensive on the city of Al-Qaim since May 7, on claims of searching for followers of Al-Qaeda-linked Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi, the most wanted man in Iraq.

No Choice

Iraqi children pay the price.

Iraqi families, who have fled the town, said many innocent people were caught in the middle of the clashes between the US occupation forces and the Iraqi resistance and had no choice but to leave their homes.

?I couldn?t take anything with me as we ran to escape clashes. We have been helped by a Sheikh in this mosque,? Abu Omar told IRIN, as he and his four-member family took refuge in a mosque in Al-Qaim.

Um Mazin, another Iraqi woman fleeing the town, said she left the area with her family to escape the American bombings, according to the Associated Press (AP).

?The Americans do not hit the gunmen; they hit the houses of civilians.?

But as they hurried to escape their lives, they failed to bring enough supplies they needed to survive.

?We did not take enough food, water, medicine or clothes...and we are tired of the sandstorms,? Um Mazin said wearily.

?No one can go back now, and we do not know what happened to our husbands.?

On Thursday, the Iraqi Red Crescent Society has sent a convoy of supplies to the area, carrying food and medical items, potable water, tents and ambulances.

?A team of 15 people with three trucks packed with tents, blankets, kitchen utensils, water, medicine and food arrived today in Akashat,? Mazen Abdallah told Agence France Presse (AFP) Friday.

Lack of Supplies

As they left the western Iraqi town, fleeing families have taken refuge in two abandoned schools and a mosque between Al-Qaim and Rawa as well as in the local sports stadium to escape the clashes.

Helping them to survive, local religious leaders from the area were supplying the families with food and water.

However, there are high fears of a humanitarian crisis in the area as a result of the continuing clashes which prevented the relief convoys from reaching afflicted people.

?Our contacts inside Al-Qaim, told us by phone, that there is no power, no telephones and a 24-hour curfew has been imposed,? Al-Abadi said.

?Iraq cannot accept another humanitarian disaster like Fallujah again. Innocent people are in the middle of the battle. It?s an injustice against the Iraqi people, especially the children,? she added.

10,000 US marines and army forces, alongside some 2,000 Iraqi national guard soldiers unleashed a long anticipated expected onslaught on the city on Monday, November 8.

The onslaught has paralyzed the city of 300,000-people. There has been no water or electricity for days and food shops have been closed.

Many buildings in Fallujah have been completely destroyed, with TV footage showing some districts all but leveled during the offensive.
 
This is what happens when militants hide within the general innocent population. Innocents will die in order to weed out the militants. This has occurred in one way or another for as long as there has been warfare.

If you allow a cease-fire to let the Red Crescent in, the militants will take the opportunity to either flee or to strengthen their position. The only option you have is to either leave the militants, which will harm you in the long run, or you make the assault and hope you get it done as quickly as possible.
 
Originally posted by: ToeJam13
This is what happens when militants hide within the general innocent population. Innocents will die in order to weed out the militants. This has occurred in one way or another for as long as there has been warfare.

If you allow a cease-fire to let the Red Crescent in, the militants will take the opportunity to either flee or to strengthen their position. The only option you have is to either leave the militants, which will harm you in the long run, or you make the assault and hope you get it done as quickly as possible.

No, this is what happens when the most powerful military on Earth is used to enforce Bush's lies.
 
And what is your solution to the problem.

Hindsight is not an excuse. What should be done now.
 
The people of the United States of America should demand accountability from the entire Bush administration for the atrocity their lies begat. This will serve two purposes. First, as an example to the world that, in a nation which bills itself as the leader of the free world, no leader -- no matter how powerful -- can do what Bush has done in Iraq without suffering the consequences of his actions. Secondly, it will remove the criminally incompetent war profiteers from leadership roles in the rebuilding of the destruction their lies have caused in Iraq.

I've said the rest before. It's costing the U.S. taxpayer over $4 billion per month to maintain this illegal occupation. Little is being done to repair the damage we have done because we're spending most of the money allocated to reconstruction on security in the face of an ever increasing resistance. Stop fueling the resistance. End the occupation but provide the amount we're providing now for Bush's mistake only this time let the Iraqis do the work. Let them rebuild their nation. Until Iraqis take on the task of fixing what Bush broke themselves we'll never get out of Iraq.

Until such time as the Iraqis can enforce their own security keep peace keeping troops in Iraq. Not a U.S. dominated force but a force that is recognizable as a neutral transitional peace keeping force, not an occupation force. But as I said, unfortunately, since Bush broke it we bought it. So we have to pay for it.

It will take years either way. But the way we're doing it now will never reach resolution and will only build more resentment toward an illegal occupation. I think my way will bring resolution faster as well as give Iraqis a better chance to come out of this trauma and develop into a secure, stable state. Because it will defuse the resistance while providing money that will actually be used to rebuild Iraq, with the work being done by Iraqis, rather than being thrown away on non-existent security to maintain a never ending occupation.
 
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Do you have any satellite photos and a satellite imaging education?

Do you have anything to add or are you here just to be the embodiment of your avatar?
 
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Do you have any satellite photos and a satellite imaging education?

Do you have anything to add or are you here just to be the embodiment of your avatar?

I'm just wondering if there are any satellite images and a satellite imaging expert around. Last time we found out where one could get such an education so maybe someone will step up.
 
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Do you have any satellite photos and a satellite imaging education?

Do you have anything to add or are you here just to be the embodiment of your avatar?

I'm just wondering if there are any satellite images and a satellite imaging expert around. Last time we found out where one could get such an education so maybe someone will step up.

It's now well accepted fact that seventy percent of Fallujah was destroyed by the U.S. attack. If you still don't believe it ask yourself why only thirty percent of Fallujah's residents have returned to their city. And why don't we ever see any film, photos, anything from the city. Why does the U.S. military still refuse to allow journalists into Fallujah?

It's been over six months. What are they hiding?
 
PS And now we're doing it all over again. And we'll continue to do so because there is no desire from the Bush administration for peace in Iraq or they wouldn't have lied to attack her in the first place.
 
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Do you have any satellite photos and a satellite imaging education?

Do you have anything to add or are you here just to be the embodiment of your avatar?

I'm just wondering if there are any satellite images and a satellite imaging expert around. Last time we found out where one could get such an education so maybe someone will step up.

It's now well accepted fact that seventy percent of Fallujah was destroyed by the U.S. attack. If you still don't believe it ask yourself why only thirty percent of Fallujah's residents have returned to their city. And why don't we ever see any film, photos, anything from the city. Why does the U.S. military still refuse to allow journalists into Fallujah?

It's been over six months. What are they hiding?

You have not proven your previous claims of destruction so you are being a more than a bit disingenuous to trot it out again and call it "fact" - let alone a "well accepted fact".

As to your whining about the US removing the terrorists from Al Qaim - :cookie:
I suppose you think we should just leave the enemy alone...:roll:

CsG
 
Islam online? Is that like Judaism online or Christianity online?

Or like terrorism online? Or even suicide bombers online? POSs online? Suck my wang online?

Read the crappy article and you'll get a sense how biased this website is.

You people get all crazy and jump up and down whenever someone links to a Christian or Jewish website, but I guess with Islam, the standard doesn't apply.

Go ahead, give up more links from Suicide bombers online etc etc.

Or even better, disect a satellite image for me, you expert satellite image reader you.

Heck, even some of the blogs are even more fair than Islam online or terrorists online or whatever BS these websites spew.

Not our fault these brave Islamic "warriors" hide behind women and children. But again, they are dieing a hero's death. 72 virgins await them!! 😀

American forces are the best behaved soldiers in the world. If you want to cry, cry for the Chechyans. Russia has been commiting a genocide there for the last few decades. Where is the outcry over that? Although, I must admit that if I were a Russian and these people were blowing up cities, I'd want revenge as well. Killing a few scum here and there wouldn't hurt. But committing mass murders against the male population specifically is not acceptable. Thats why you see so many female Chechyan homicide bombers (the ones that kidnap little children and blow up schools).

Stop trying to Islamisize us, Bbond.

I want you to go by the same standard you want others to go by. If you people don't like Christian websites, don't give us this BS, to put it mildly.
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Do you have any satellite photos and a satellite imaging education?

Do you have anything to add or are you here just to be the embodiment of your avatar?

I'm just wondering if there are any satellite images and a satellite imaging expert around. Last time we found out where one could get such an education so maybe someone will step up.

It's now well accepted fact that seventy percent of Fallujah was destroyed by the U.S. attack. If you still don't believe it ask yourself why only thirty percent of Fallujah's residents have returned to their city. And why don't we ever see any film, photos, anything from the city. Why does the U.S. military still refuse to allow journalists into Fallujah?

It's been over six months. What are they hiding?

You have not proven your previous claims of destruction so you are being a more than a bit disingenuous to trot it out again and call it "fact" - let alone a "well accepted fact".

As to your whining about the US removing the terrorists from Al Qaim - :cookie:
I suppose you think we should just leave the enemy alone...:roll:

CsG

Read the Fallujah thead. All the proof you'll ever need is right there in black and white if you'll only give up your fantasies and accept reality.

As for leaving the "enemy" alone, we should have done that on March 19, 2003 before Iraq was "the enemy". Bush created the resistance. It wasn't there in Iraq the same as the WMD.

If some superior power attacked the USA on such fake evidence you'd be taking up arms against them too.
 
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Do you have any satellite photos and a satellite imaging education?

Do you have anything to add or are you here just to be the embodiment of your avatar?

I'm just wondering if there are any satellite images and a satellite imaging expert around. Last time we found out where one could get such an education so maybe someone will step up.

It's now well accepted fact that seventy percent of Fallujah was destroyed by the U.S. attack. If you still don't believe it ask yourself why only thirty percent of Fallujah's residents have returned to their city. And why don't we ever see any film, photos, anything from the city. Why does the U.S. military still refuse to allow journalists into Fallujah?

It's been over six months. What are they hiding?

Did you learn that from the satellite images?
 

"Two shells"? Mortar shells? I wonder from which side. Seems to me that it's the terrorists that are targeting the civilian population and firing indiscriminately - not our soldiers. But hey, you can lap up whatever you wish to aid our enemy...uh...I mean try to get us to leave iraq before the job is done.

CsG
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Did you learn that from the satellite images?
Read up on Dahr Jamail. He's been there to report on what the U.S. media isn't allowed to.

He's a political activist according to Znet. *shrug*

I read his diatribe on Fallujah - needless to say I'm not impressed with his "journalism".
I mean every "journalist" would use this sort of description - no?
Meanwhile the snipers continue to harass the city, the collective punishment continues...
...
No one among the occupiers seems to have considered the obvious alternative to siege, instigation and aggression: maybe the U.S. military, as part of the negotiations, should leave the residents of Falluja alone. Why shouldn?t the U.S. lay down their own ?heavy weapons?? Or cease the home raids, detentions of innocents, military patrols of neighborhood streets. Or cease allowing mercenaries to drive through the city? Or maybe U.S. soldiers should offer themselves up to be searched by the mujahedeen before entering Falluja, as the residents of Falluja are now searched, complete with being forced to show identification?
:roll:
The guy is a joke.

CsG
 
1. US Military evil: Check
2. Buch Lies: Check
3. Link to biased website:Check
4. Unsubstantiated crap: Check
5. Uncredible OP: Check

This just passed the liberal whine litmus test.

Continue with your crying and conspiracy theories.
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Did you learn that from the satellite images?
Read up on Dahr Jamail. He's been there to report on what the U.S. media isn't allowed to.

He's a political activist according to Znet. *shrug*

I read his diatribe on Fallujah - needless to say I'm not impressed with his "journalism".
I mean every "journalist" would use this sort of description - no?
Meanwhile the snipers continue to harass the city, the collective punishment continues...
...
No one among the occupiers seems to have considered the obvious alternative to siege, instigation and aggression: maybe the U.S. military, as part of the negotiations, should leave the residents of Falluja alone. Why shouldn?t the U.S. lay down their own ?heavy weapons?? Or cease the home raids, detentions of innocents, military patrols of neighborhood streets. Or cease allowing mercenaries to drive through the city? Or maybe U.S. soldiers should offer themselves up to be searched by the mujahedeen before entering Falluja, as the residents of Falluja are now searched, complete with being forced to show identification?
:roll:
The guy is a joke.

CsG

Maybe I should read this at the DU forums instead? :laugh:
 
No use trying to enlighten the residents of animal house. Those here or in the White House.

If you can't accept reality the least you could do is stop acting like juveniles. Or are you emulating your leader?
 
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