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So buying a house at 32 means your family didn't have rough times when you were a kid? Oh Breitbart.com. Glad you can keep the crazy going after Andrews passing. He'd be proud.

Guess them black folk are just supposed to stay poor.
 
"Fact check" from Breitbart.com? 🙄

Such dishonest sleaze!



There is no such thing as a magnet school for anyone's upper class. Magnet schools are generally based on merit. Whitney M. Young certainly is.

Michelle Obama got into Whitney M. Young on her academic acheivements alone. http://www.wyoung.org/admissions_process.jsp

You only tell part of the story (odds are good you did not bother to actually do much research, since wikipedia is the first stop most people make - or that you say it and ignored it, but I am leaning towards the lazier option). You can be let into the school simply because the Principal wants you in, regardless of your academic abilities:

Investigations Into Admissions
Whitney Young principal Joyce Kenner[14] and Chicago Board of Education President Michael Scott were subpoenaed to testify before a federal grand jury investigating how students were chosen for admission to the elite public schools. School officials released copies of a July 21, 2009 subpoena demanding the names of every student who applied to be among a select group of students hand-picked by principals of the elite high schools. The subpoena also sought e-mails and other correspondence with "public officials" about applicants.[15] Kenner testified before the federal grand jury in early September 2009.[16]
In 2011, the Chicago Public Schools Inspector General recommended that selective enrollment schools reevaluate their use of "principal picks". It was reported that several political figures had used their influence to secure their children's admission into schools like Young.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitney_M._Young_Magnet_High_School
 
You only tell part of the story (odds are good you did not bother to actually do much research, since wikipedia is the first stop most people make - or that you say it and ignored it, but I am leaning towards the lazier option). You can be let into the school simply because the Principal wants you in, regardless of your academic abilities:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitney_M._Young_Magnet_High_School

She graduated Salutatorian of that very school yet you are claiming she didn't deserve to attend based on her merits?
 
anybody every wonder how a pothead mediocre student was able to get into Harvard? much less find the money to go to a Ivy league school? his dad was a goat herder and his mom was poor. so wtf??

I would say. Harvard Law School is a graduate school. That looking at the entrance requirements, you would see that they just don't hand out diplomas to anyone. I would also mention that he was the editor of the Harvard Law Review which is like being the MVP of the superbowl but for overly competitive, anal retentive law students. Having said that, I would point out that proeprly meant he had some intelligence.

I would also point out that I think you might have missed the part Where Michelle Obama mentions the mountains of debt they accrued.

But, you already have your mind made up on the narrative, so I won't let any reasonable facts get in the way.
 
You only tell part of the story (odds are good you did not bother to actually do much research, since wikipedia is the first stop most people make - or that you say it and ignored it, but I am leaning towards the lazier option). You can be let into the school simply because the Principal wants you in, regardless of your academic abilities:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitney_M._Young_Magnet_High_School

You might have missed this part. But, your answer willl probably be the principal arranged for all that to happen so one day she could meet Barak and one day give the DNC convention speech.

She was on the honor roll for four years, took advanced placement classes, a member of the National Honor Society and served as student council treasurer.[4] Michelle graduated in 1981 as the salutatorian of her class.[20]
 
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I would also mention that he was the editor of the Harvard Law Review which is like being the MVP of the superbowl but for overly competitive, anal retentive law students. Having said that, I would point out that proeprly meant he had some intelligence.

Hmmm.

Harvard Law Review Membership Selection Policies

Membership in the Harvard Law Review is limited to second- and third-year law students who are selected on the basis of their performance on an annual writing competition. Harvard Law School students who are interested in joining the Review must write the competition at the end of their 1L year, even if they plan to take time off during law school or are pursuing a joint degree and plan to spend a year at another Harvard graduate school.

In recent years, the number of students completing the competition has ranged from 215 to 265. 44 students are invited to join the Review each year.

Fourteen editors (two from each 1L section) are selected based on a combination of their first-year grades and their competition scores. Twenty editors are selected based solely on their competition scores. The remaining editors are selected on a discretionary basis. Some of these discretionary slots may be used to implement the Review's affirmative action policy.
 
The level of intellectual dishonesty on display here is sadly familiar.

The forum should be demolished. Too many posters are allowed to get away with posting nothing but incidents of the bolded.

If the forum stays open, it should be renamed to the bolded.
 
She graduated Salutatorian of that very school yet you are claiming she didn't deserve to attend based on her merits?

Nope, I am saying that entrace is not just based on merit. Perknose said it was, but that is not correct. I am simply showing that entrance to the school is both based on merit for some and the whims of the principal for others.

We will never know who Michelle got into the school, I suspect. I am even having trouble finding sources of the 2009 investigation. They appear to have vanished from many sites. I did find this:

On August 24, 2009 Chicago Alderman Anthony Beale (9th) became the second alderman to concede his daughter was admitted (in 2004) to Whitney Young after he called principal Joyce Kenner.[12]
http://www.enotes.com/topic/Whitney_M._Young_Magnet_High_School#Investigations_Into_Admissions

Though I cannot find the results of the admissions subpeona, which would show if Michelle was admitted by her academics or by the whim of the prinicipal.

EDIT: It appears the Chicago Sun Times wants you to pay for their older articles from their database. I did find this:

Despite a federal investigation of alleged clout admissions at Chicago Public Schools, Mayor Daley on Wednesday defended the controversial process that has allowed principals at nine elite public high schools to handpick 5 percent of their students.
http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=CSTB&p_theme=cstb&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&s_dispstring=(clout)%20AND%20date(7/1/2009%20to%2010/1/2009)&p_field_date-0=YMD_date&p_params_date-0=date:B,E&p_text_date-0=7/1/2009%20to%2010/1/2009)&p_field_advanced-0=&p_text_advanced-0=("clout")&xcal_numdocs=20&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date🙂&xcal_useweights=no

EDIT: Stupid smileyface...if you want the link, it is a : and a ) next to each other.
 
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He wasn't just an editor he was President of the Harvard Law Review. I think make a case for affirmative action for being selected as an editor but I don't think being selected president of the Harvard Law Review is something people would stand for if he was just there to meet AA requirements.

late 1988, Obama entered Harvard Law School. He was selected as an editor of the Harvard Law Review at the end of his first year,[39] and president of the journal in his second year.
 
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Nope, I am saying that entrace is not just based on merit. Perknose said it was, but that is not correct. I am simply showing that entrance to the school is both based on merit for some and the whims of the principal for others.

We will never know who Michelle got into the school, I suspect. I am even having trouble finding sources of the 2009 investigation. They appear to have vanished from many sites. I did find this:


http://www.enotes.com/topic/Whitney_M._Young_Magnet_High_School#Investigations_Into_Admissions

Though I cannot find the results of the admissions subpeona, which would show if Michelle was admitted by her academics or by the whim of the prinicipal.

EDIT: It appears the Chicago Sun Times wants you to pay for their older articles from their database. I did find this:


http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=CSTB&p_theme=cstb&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&s_dispstring=(clout)%20AND%20date(7/1/2009%20to%2010/1/2009)&p_field_date-0=YMD_date&p_params_date-0=date:B,E&p_text_date-0=7/1/2009%20to%2010/1/2009)&p_field_advanced-0=&p_text_advanced-0=("clout")&xcal_numdocs=20&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date🙂&xcal_useweights=no

That's fine. Whether she was hand picked or not I think it would be hard to argue she did not deserve to be there based on her academic record.
 
You might have missed this part. But, your answer willl probably be the principal arranged for all that to happen so one day she could meet Barak and one day give the DNC convention speech.

How does that show how she got in? No one said she did not do well once in.
 
Yes, I'm sure the water plant employees have that kind of pull. 🙁


Who knows. I am just a network engineer, but I talk to state senators and representatives from both parties now and again, since I manage their various networks. Solve a major headache and they are very happy - happy enough to put in a good word for you (or write a nice letter to your boss a few weeks before a review time, on official stationary).

It is well known that Chicago runs on graft.
 
That's fine. Whether she was hand picked or not I think it would be hard to argue she did not deserve to be there based on her academic record.


She did do well once there. However, if she got in over someone else who was more deserving, then she did not deserve to be there, regardless of how well she did once in.

All in all, it is a non-issue. I cannot imagine anyone really cares how she got into the special high school, other than maybe those who did not get accepted the same year she did.
 
He wasn't just an editor he was President of the Harvard Law Review. I think make a case for affirmative action for being selected as an editor but I don't think being selected president of the Harvard Law Review is something people would stand for if he was just there to meet AA requirements.

Hmmm.

The president of the Harvard Law Review is elected by the other editors.[12][9]

On his goals in his new post, Mr. Obama said: ''I personally am interested in pushing a strong minority perspective. I'm fairly opinionated about this. But as president of the law review, I have a limited role as only first among equals.''
 
You only tell part of the story (odds are good you did not bother to actually do much research, since wikipedia is the first stop most people make - or that you say it and ignored it, but I am leaning towards the lazier option). You can be let into the school simply because the Principal wants you in, regardless of your academic abilities:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitney_M._Young_Magnet_High_School

Are you reading comprehension challenged? I went to the source, the school's web site itself. My link is right in my post. I did not "lazily" use wikipedia, YOU did!

And, of course, more selective dishonesty from you. You ended your lazy wikipedia quote right before the truth of the "principal picks", because THE FACTS give the LIE to your version of the story.

Michelle Obama wasn't ever the beneficiary of a principal pick. Her parents were NOT highly placed politicians. Therefore, AGAIN, she got in solely on her academic merit.

The last wikipedia part you quoted, with the key fact you deliberately left out in bold:

In 2011, the Chicago Public Schools Inspector General recommended that selective enrollment schools reevaluate their use of "principal picks". It was reported that several political figures had used their influence to secure their children's admission into schools like Young. Kenner responded that she had used her principal picks on a wide range of students, and that only one of those students in 16 years had failed to graduate.[17]
 
Can you prove your statement that she was not a principal pick? Of course the school's site would not list their giving students preference based on illegal actions, duh. Now would it list the "5% of students are picked at the whim of the principal"...that would be stupid to list too. They are both true, nonetheless.

I left out irrelevant parts. Who cares if the students passed or failed? I did include the part you underlined, though. EDIT: I even bolded the part you claimed I did not include, yet you claim I am "reading comprehension challenged"? You really need to be more careful when you throw out your insults, since you did exactly what you incorrectly claimed I did.

I do have a question. Are you ever able to respond to a post I make without flying off the handle? Your monitor will end up damaged by the spittle flying out of your enraged mouth as you cry in anger and hate while you type. I recommend getting a hobby to calm you down. Belly button link and toe jam collecting is the current rage.
 
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So you are saying you would elect the token black guy you didn't think deserved to be there in the first place to be your president.

I am not saying it is conclusive I am just saying how I would think and how I believe most people in that situation would behave.

I don't see what you are implying with that quote.
 
She has no idea what it's like to be dirt poor and truly struggle.

By the same token neither does Governor Romney or his wife..

Now that we've established that neither of the candidates or their families truly struggled in abject poverty.

Maybe we can focus on issues instead of hit piece articles on candidates wives.
 
Can you prove your statement that she was not a principal pick?

I left out irrelevant parts. Who cares if the students passed or failed? I did include the part you underlined, though.

I do have a question. Are you ever able to respond to a post I make without flying off the handle? Your monitor will end up damaged by the spittle flying out of your enraged mouth as you cry in anger and hate while you type. I recommend getting a hobby to calm you down. Belly button link and toe jam collecting is the current rage.

Nice fallacy. In latin it's called argumentum ad ignorantiam or in my translation and argument by an ignoramus.
 
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