Explosion in central Oslo, Norwegian Primeminister's Office was hit.

[Nebor]

Cool categorical statement on all Norwegians. Got any basis for this? Any at all?

Here in Finland, even police can't carry a gun when off duty. (Dunno if it's the same in Norway.) I have heard from more than one policeman that they would want to have the opportunity. Furthermore, in my shooting clubs and organizations, I know plenty of people would carry. Just to give an example of a recurring situation where the status quo makes no sense: transporting a gun to the shooting range. Since I obey the law, I carry it stowed away in a bag. If someone mugs me, the gun and ammo fall in the hands of a violent criminal. If I could legally carry the gun secured on my person instead of the bag, it would be much less likely to be taken from me. If I could carry it loaded, that would be better still.

Just two weeks ago I chatted with a Norwegian taking part in the same shooting competition I did. And you know what? He would have liked a right to carry.

Just be happy that you don't live in a culture awash with guns.

How did the killer get his weapon? What type of weapon was it?

 

[ProfJohn]

I take it that the rural American South now includes California?

Duh!!!

Talk about self ownage.

 

[Infohawk]

What about you? You made that pathetic thread patting the backs of the norwegian rigthwing anti-immigration/anti-muslim political party for condemning the attacks. Are you fucking crazy? It's almost like they were being self serving and wanted to protect themselves from criticism/preserve their political power. Do they really deserve a cookie for that?

I recognized that all ideologies can have their terrorists (while concluding that certain ideologies are more deadly than others at the moment.) You're an ultra-partisan hack on the other hand. I don't really have an interest in debating every issue with you because you're butthurt with me that I point that out.

 

[Pia]

Just be happy that you don't live in a culture awash with guns.

I don't care about "awash with guns" any more than I care about "awash with fire extinguishers". I care about avoiding violence, and being allowed carry a gun would help me with that.

How did the killer get his weapon? What type of weapon was it?

Saw a rumor somewhere that his primary weapon was a Ruger Mini-14. I would guess it was bought legally with a sporting purpose.

 

[ProfJohn]

Oh look.... a retired forensic clinical psychologist says:
"But I think he is very intelligent who knew what he was doing but is clearly a psychopath."

So the guy is crazy.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ing-Breiviks-planning-appears-meticulous.html

 

[Broheim]

Cool categorical statement on all Norwegians. Got any basis for this? Any at all?

Here in Finland, even police can't carry a gun when off duty. (Dunno if it's the same in Norway.) I have heard from more than one policeman that they would want to have the opportunity. Furthermore, in my shooting clubs and organizations, I know plenty of people would carry. Just to give an example of a recurring situation where the status quo makes no sense: transporting a gun to the shooting range. Since I obey the law, I carry it stowed away in a bag. If someone mugs me, the gun and ammo fall in the hands of a violent criminal. If I could legally carry the gun secured on my person instead of the bag, it would be much less likely to be taken from me. If I could carry it loaded, that would be better still.

Just two weeks ago I chatted with a Norwegian taking part in the same shooting competition I did. And you know what? He would have liked a right to carry.

I'm a member of a shooting club, I'm an army vet and I'm a hunter... I'd consider myself proficient with a firearm and a gun nut.

BUT, I'm a minority and thank god for that, I like that I'll only see a gun down at the range, americans generally equate gun ownership with freedom but imo it's a greater freedom not being forced to own a gun for selfdefense.

You have a different gun culture in finland than we do in the rest of Scandinavia (and in my experience you generally have a different culture allround) , some studies estimates there is upwards of 56 firearms per 100 citizens in Finland[link].
also your local gun club isn't really going to give you an unbiased view on firearms.

there isn't a strong movement for legalizing firearms for selfdefense in Norway, Sweden or Denmark, you cannot argue that.

 

[theeedude]

Oh look.... a retired forensic clinical psychologist says:
"But I think he is very intelligent who knew what he was doing but is clearly a psychopath."

So the guy is crazy.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ing-Breiviks-planning-appears-meticulous.html

He dismisses concepts such as political correctness, feminism and major religions and philosophies including Islam and Marxism and defends his views by quoting people he views as authoritative.

Yeah, that is crazy. Republican crazy.

 

[Phokus]

I recognized that all ideologies can have their terrorists (while concluding that certain ideologies are more deadly than others at the moment.) You're an ultra-partisan hack on the other hand. I don't really have an interest in debating every issue with you because you're butthurt with me that I point that out.

You don't want to debate me because you look stupid with our moral equivalent 'everyone is equally bad!' stance.

Keep carrying the water for the racist/xenophobic right though.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Yeah, that is crazy. Republican crazy.

The far right just tends to be more violent.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Oh look.... a retired forensic clinical psychologist says:
"But I think he is very intelligent who knew what he was doing but is clearly a psychopath."

So the guy is crazy.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ing-Breiviks-planning-appears-meticulous.html

martyrdom operation

He was captured and will likely die of old age in a prison with good living conditions, martyrdom failure. He should have saved society the trouble and killed himself.

He wants to concert the world back to society where men are dominant while purify races across Europe.
...
But this is a guy who also dismisses Hitler as having failed to develop the racial purism properly.

He does not like people with political views that are left of centre. He is several miles further right of Hitler in terms of political philosophies.

His writings make Hitler's writings / speeches look liberal, what are we dealing with here?

He saw all the left wing leaders such as Tony Blair as supporting Islam.

Tony Blair helped lead Britain into Iraq and Afghanistan and was basically Bush's sidekick, how can he possibly spin him as pro-Islam?

 

[WelshBloke]

The far right just tends to be more violent.

Theres plenty of far left activists that would be happy to smash up your shop or beat the crap out of you if you're wearing a suit at the wrong time in the wrong place as well.

 

[Broheim]

Theres plenty of far left activists that would be happy to smash up your shop or beat the crap out of you if you're wearing a suit at the wrong time in the wrong place as well.

we actually have more of those here in Europe than we do far right activists.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Theres plenty of far left activists that would be happy to smash up your shop or beat the crap out of you if you're wearing a suit at the wrong time in the wrong place as well.

I agree, but that's why I said that the far right tends to be MORE violent.

 

[RabidMongoose]

we actually have more of those here in Europe than we do far right activists.

That's because many Europeans see far right violent racists as being moderates or leftists. It's a different scale.

In the US/Canada, what is far right in terms of minorities would be far left in Europe. European 'moderates' would be more like KKK members in the US.

 

[CanOWorms]

He wants to concert the world back to society where men are dominant while purify races across Europe.

I wonder if he's a member of the P&N White Supremacist Brigade.

 

[ProfJohn]

I agree, but that's why I said that the far right tends to be MORE violent.

Not in Europe.

Anarchist and union violence is much greater over there than right wing skin heads.

Just look at Greece or France and you will see it with your own eyes.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/aug/29/bossnapping-creative-nonviolence
"The latest in a series of violent threats by French workers came last week, when 50 truck and transport drivers threatened to dump 8,000 litres of toxic fuel into the Seine if bosses didn't increase their severance pay. One of the workers explained the destructive action on French radio as "the only means we have of getting what we want"."

 

[WelshBloke]

That's because many Europeans see far right violent racists as being moderates or leftists. It's a different scale.

In the US/Canada, what is far right in terms of minorities would be far left in Europe. European 'moderates' would be more like KKK members in the US.

Lol, you're such a 'tard.

 

[CanOWorms]

That's because many Europeans see far right violent racists as being moderates or leftists. It's a different scale.

In the US/Canada, what is far right in terms of minorities would be far left in Europe. European 'moderates' would be more like KKK members in the US.

A good example of this is when the French socialist candidate for prime minister said that she wanted to send minorities to military boot camps as punishment.

 

[ProfJohn]

I wonder if he's a member of the P&N White Supremacist Brigade.

As if you have room to talk about bigotry...


And most of the bigotry on this forum is aimed Jews or Christians. There is some racial bigotry, but not a lot since the mods banish anyone who comes to close to the line.

 

[Infohawk]

Lol, you're such a 'tard.

This thread looks like it's getting terminal. You know that's happening when Rabid / Cow start reeling people in with their outlandish troll comments.

 

[CanOWorms]

As if you have room to talk about bigotry...

Of course I can. After all, I am the primary opponent here against the white supremacists and have had bigoted statements said against me all the time.

And most of the bigotry on this forum is aimed Jews or Christians.

lol

There is some racial bigotry, but not a lot since the mods banish anyone who comes to close to the line.

There's a lot of racial bigotry here.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Lol, you're such a 'tard.

It's the truth. Scales of racial acceptance between the US/Canada and Europe are very very different. What's considered normal or mainstream in Europe would be considered to be the equivalent of the KKK in the US. A lot of European posters here have a hard time realizing this and then they tend to side with American white supremacists like InfoHawk/Baasha.

This is also why Norway is freaking out over a minority population of 3-4%. That's pathetic.

 

[CanOWorms]

Not in Europe.

Anarchist and union violence is much greater over there than right wing skin heads.

Are you restricting yourself to only looking at the violence among 3 different groups?

What about the governments themselves? They have a lot of far-right policies that have led to the deaths of billions of people.

 

[SandEagle]

media tried to blame AQ:
http://www.examiner.com/civil-right...pro-israeli-extremists-conducted-oslo-attacks

 

[WelshBloke]

This thread looks like it's getting terminal. You know that's happening when Rabid / Cow start reeling people in with their outlandish troll comments.

The only thing that I'm curious about is what's his primary forum account name. There's no way someone would register on a tech forum and just troll euro threads.