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alien42 said:
i don't disagree with that but has any of the dossier been proven false?
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My view is that it's all essentially false until proven otherwise. Everything in it needs corroboration from other independent evidence. So far, some elements have been corroborated. Others may be in the future.
 
I for one am shocked that Donald Trump Jr. may not have been truthful about the contents of that meeting. After all he’s been totally honest about every other aspect of it so far.
 
fskimospy said:
I saw that before. That idiot is testifying without a lawyer and yet is claiming both that he’s invoking the 5th amendment right against self incrimination and that he has no incriminating information. When asked how he could do both he couldn’t answer.

This guy needs a lawyer so, so badly.
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He's too arrogant of a little prick to obtain a lawyer. I have never wanted to reach through my screen and punch someone in the face more than his smug face whenever I saw him speak.
 
Puffnstuff said:
This just keeps on getting better.
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IMO as it currently stands though, this is "he said she said" and without corroborating evidence (preferably from a US source, or at least not Russian), it won't carry any weight. I think there has been news in the Trump era of the Russians recording meetings, but even then, a tape from a foreign power that is considered mostly hostile?

I suppose if DJT Jr was found to be pulling files around the time of that meeting on the Magnitsky Act, that would make his account of events less plausible (along with his "my father is a private citizen" BS).
 
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mikeymikec said:
IMO as it currently stands though, this is "he said she said" and without corroborating evidence (preferably from a US source, or at least not Russian), it won't carry any weight. I think there has been news in the Trump era of the Russians recording meetings, but even then, a tape from a foreign power that is considered mostly hostile?

I suppose if DJT Jr was found to be pulling files around the time of that meeting on the Magnitsky Act, that would make his account of events less plausible (along with his "my father is a private citizen" BS).
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It's been reported/mentioned that one of the other persons in the room was actual "covered" russian agent, and that he'd likely have recorded that meeting. As in, it would be standard practice for an FSB agent to do so.
 
Fanatical Meat said:
Trying to figure out if she is hot or not. Sometimes she looks great other times she looks frumpy. I just don't know for sure.
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LOL. Same here. It's like she has some 20 year old glamour shot that she sends papers for stock images to make her look more flattering. But recent images looks 20 years older and about 30 pounds heavier.
 
fskimospy said:
I saw that before. That idiot is testifying without a lawyer and yet is claiming both that he’s invoking the 5th amendment right against self incrimination and that he has no incriminating information. When asked how he could do both he couldn’t answer.

This guy needs a lawyer so, so badly.
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This guy is the perfect kind of Trump minion: Too stupid to know that there are things he simply doesn't know. Too arrogant to ever imagine that such is possible. Too lazy to bother putting in the work to learn a fucking thing.
 
Pens1566 said:
It's been reported/mentioned that one of the other persons in the room was actual "covered" russian agent, and that he'd likely have recorded that meeting. As in, it would be standard practice for an FSB agent to do so.
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This is one of the biggest risks we have and it’s not mentioned enough. While at the moment it is ‘he said she said’ and America might never know what happened in that meeting (and with other Trump/Russia interactions) it is quite likely that the Russians know exactly what went on in those meetings and have documents or recordings to prove it. This makes the entire administration highly susceptible to blackmail, just as Flynn was.

‘We can get your son sent to prison and maybe you thrown out of office’ is a pretty good bargaining chip.
 
fskimospy said:
This is one of the biggest risks we have and it’s not mentioned enough. While at the moment it is ‘he said she said’ and America might never know what happened in that meeting (and with other Trump/Russia interactions) it is quite likely that the Russians know exactly what went on in those meetings and have documents or recordings to prove it. This makes the entire administration highly susceptible to blackmail, just as Flynn was.

‘We can get your son sent to prison and maybe you thrown out of office’ is a pretty good bargaining chip.
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Given the irrational level of deference that Trump has extended to Russia it's become hard not to suspect that Putin possesses a small mountain worth of kompromat on Trump, his family, and people in the administration.
 
fskimospy said:
This is one of the biggest risks we have and it’s not mentioned enough. While at the moment it is ‘he said she said’ and America might never know what happened in that meeting (and with other Trump/Russia interactions) it is quite likely that the Russians know exactly what went on in those meetings and have documents or recordings to prove it. This makes the entire administration highly susceptible to blackmail, just as Flynn was.

‘We can get your son sent to prison and maybe you thrown out of office’ is a pretty good bargaining chip.
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You may not have noticed but conservatives went into hyper drive in the last week. They are claiming collusion between Clinton and the Russians. They are screaming for a special prosecutor to probe Clinton's Russia ties. Given that Republicans own Congress and the Presidency, it is not out of the question that one is appointed. It is brilliant piece of politics and has a great chance of working. To the average American, this is going to turn into both sides are doing the same thing.

Another older scandal of great proportions called Uranium One has resurfaced from 2009-10. It involves Bill and Hillary Clinton, President Barack Obama, Obama’s Attorney Generals Eric Holder and Loretta Lynch, Mueller, current Assistant Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, and former FBI Director James Comey. Can you believe it?

Uranium One has received virtually no press from the mainstream broadcast media.

The Uranium One scandal involves the transfer of access to 20 percent of America’s uranium in the United States to Rosatom, the Kremlin’s nuclear energy company. Why would anyone do that?

As they say, follow the money. Obama and Hillary Clinton were eager for a “Russian Reset.”Former President Bill Clinton was paid $500,000 for a speech to a Russian Bank in Moscow promoting Uranium One stock. Before, during, and after the sale of Uranium One to Rosatom, the Clinton Foundation reportedly received over $145 million in donations from nine Uranium One board members.

The Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States — a panel that included the State Department and Holder — approved the deal in 2010 even while Mueller and Justice Department lead investigator Rod Rosenstein were investigating Russians for bribes, kickbacks and money laundering with U.S. companies around the deal.

Mueller and Rosenstein never told Congress about the ongoing investigations that probably would have scuttled the deal. The DOJ under Holder and Lynch made the FBI undercover witness sign a nondisclosure agreement and threatened him with jail time if he went public with any of the information he had uncovered in the bribery and kickbacks probe. Trump’s DOJ has rescinded that nondisclosure agreement and this witness may soon testify before Congress.

I’d say something stinks. Andrew McCarthy’s article at National Review about Uranium One and the complicit Obama administration explains it all and is a must-read. Of course, Hillary Clinton calls it all “baloney.” Hopefully soon we will see whether it is baloney or steak.
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I really don't care about the "Kompromat". To me the real carrot & stick is a metric shit ton of caviar scented dollars from Russian dark funds keeping his businesses alive. Piss off Daddy Putin and he clamps the purse strings. Obviously that works into leverage/compromising info for Putin to use against him, but the pee pee tapes are just for entertaining headlines. There's a reason Donnie Two Scoops is terrified of Mueller digging into business finances.
 
bshole said:
You may not have noticed but conservatives went into hyper drive in the last week. They are claiming collusion between Clinton and the Russians. They are screaming for a special prosecutor to probe Clinton's Russia ties. Given that Republicans own Congress and the Presidency, it is not out of the question that one is appointed. It is brilliant piece of politics and has a great chance of working. To the average American, this is going to turn into both sides are doing the same thing.
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I agree that appears to be their goal, to throw out enough shit that people throw up their arms and say 'well I guess I don't know what to believe anymore'. I don't think this will be as effective as it was during the campaign though if for no other reason than Trump is the president and people care more about what the president has done than people in the pass.
 
bshole said:
You may not have noticed but conservatives went into hyper drive in the last week. They are claiming collusion between Clinton and the Russians. They are screaming for a special prosecutor to probe Clinton's Russia ties. Given that Republicans own Congress and the Presidency, it is not out of the question that one is appointed. It is brilliant piece of politics and has a great chance of working. To the average American, this is going to turn into both sides are doing the same thing.
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Yep and it was being predicted a couple weeks before. Waaaaaaanity is in full BS mode. Every night it's like he's leading some ultra important investigation. And its always about Hillary.
 
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance then baffle them with bullshit.

Some things never change.

So we have a whole lot more than from two weeks ago with Page and Papadopolous, and perhaps Manafort and Gates. Russian relationships are being outed and not Flynn and his son are likely on the hook.

Things are coming unraveled faster than I expected.
 
I'll be curious to see where it goes with Gates. As you read between the lines, it almost looks like he was a clearing house for Russian money to get into the GOP.
 
fskimospy said:
I saw that before. That idiot is testifying without a lawyer and yet is claiming both that he’s invoking the 5th amendment right against self incrimination and that he has no incriminating information. When asked how he could do both he couldn’t answer.

This guy needs a lawyer so, so badly.
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Is there a chance he doesn't want a lawyer because he knows there's no chance for him? The guy creeps me out and I don't think he's particularly bright but... Bright enough to be aware that lawyer or no, he's going down?
 
Younigue said:
Is there a chance he doesn't want a lawyer because he knows there's no chance for him? The guy creeps me out and I don't think he's particularly bright but... Bright enough to be aware that lawyer or no, he's going down?
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Knowing you're boned is the ideal time to get a lawyer, they help reduce your incarceration. Only an idiot or a madman wouldn't lawyer up if they knew they were on the hook for something.
 
vi edit said:
I'll be curious to see where it goes with Gates. As you read between the lines, it almost looks like he was a clearing house for Russian money to get into the GOP.
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Last I read was that Gates is being squeezed due to his wife actually moving some of the money around. They're using her as leverage.
 
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