• We’re currently investigating an issue related to the forum theme and styling that is impacting page layout and visual formatting. The problem has been identified, and we are actively working on a resolution. There is no impact to user data or functionality, this is strictly a front-end display issue. We’ll post an update once the fix has been deployed. Thanks for your patience while we get this sorted.

Excellent resource to refute the Bible

Page 3 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.
how do you know that ....you can't your assuming like a bunch of idiots no offense
what proof do you have it hasn't changed

and were homer's writings originally ONLY about the trojan war or were they meant to entertain and were changed slightly as they went along from their original ficticous state
 
The oldest piece of the New Testament is a scrap dated to circa 100AD (script style dating) that contains a portion of the Gospel of John. See? This piece exists! It is something you can hold in your hand, just like the over 5000 other ancient scripts of the NT on record.
 
uh...i don't know if you want to do your own research or whatever LFBB, but all that is in various Times and Newsweek articles. yes, there are actual scientific proofs to the valdidity of the bible as to the translations aspect. i know because i have read them before. however, it has also proven that Homer's whether or not it was fictitous is that the original intended text Homer himself wrote is lost.
 
Papyri Manuscripts

Scroll down to P52.

Dated to 110AD. Kept at a library in Oxford.

edit: but don't take everything you find on websites to be the truth!! Fly over there and see it for yourself. Honestly.
 
I am not going to get into this "Oh the bible is all bs" crap, but I think it comes down to each person makes their own opinion on what the bible says. Many people read different messages from it.

Now as for whether there is a God or not. Well here's a couple questions.

Why do the athesist always bring questions down to, well what created God??

Sorry to tell you this, but time is NOT REAL. It was created by us to help us, but when it comes to the way things actually are there is no such thing as time. Thus there is no beginning, there is no end to the universe. Things inside that universe however do follow a beginning and an end, the Earth and mankind being such a thing. At some point the Earth is going to go away, the only question is when and how. Will we be the ones that destroys it or will nature runs it course and it will be destroyed by some celestial event.

Next question, what is the actual thing that runs the human body?? What makes us work at all?? Answer, energy. And from my Physics class we learned that energy does not go away, it just changes form. Well what happens to the energy that runs the human body when we die?? I mean it doesn't just vanish.

While I am a Catholic, I don't completely agree with everything my church believes in. It's my belief that parts of the bible were changed to suite the time period they were written in. I don't feel there is some evil force that drives men to commit horrid acts, I feel it's just part of our makeup since we came animals. I believe in evolution, but think at some point God gave a little push and thus no missing link has really been found. And I believe the energy that runs the human body is actually the human soul. And when you die that soul goes to another state of being and what that is depends on what you believe in.
 
ATP is the energy that runs our bodies. Adenosine-Triphosphate? (been a while, sorry). Chemical energy is stored in our cells, converted to heat, more sugar, etc... Eaten by micro-organisms. That's where our energy goes.

But yeah, the life that we all experience (I think everyone would agree) goes far beyond that. There is more, and yes, I believe that it's something special, a human soul.
 
What is that crap? It's definitely not a good website for "refuting" the Bible.

I think the one question is this, if you don't believe in the Bible and all it contains, why would you waste what little
time you are alloted on earth trying to refute it?

Talk about a loser's proposition.

I have certainly not gone out of my way to try to prosyletize anyone on this forum. I make my views known now and then but I try to be very diplomatic (except with Red 😀). I'm not sure why anyone would want to go out of their way to "change" my mind--haven't you figured out that most Christians aren't changing their minds.

What good comes of arguing and name-calling? Give me some honest discussion or do your own thing, just don't waste my time.... More importantly, don't waste your own.
 


<< how do you know that ....you can't your assuming like a bunch of idiots no offense >>




the only thing i hate about these threads is that there will always be someone very ignorant. u are free to believe what you want. I'm not going to keep scientific documents and articles upon articles from various reputable sources such as Times and Newsweek at my desk. the thing that bothers me is &quot;assuming like a bunch of idiots&quot; part. I am not assuming like a bunch of idiots. i actually looked into this and did my research on the validity of the actual manuscripts of the bible and its translations. this was all during my time that i was confused about the different versions available and why one version was supposedly &quot;better&quot; than another. i also thought that the different version were translated from one to the next i.e KJV->NIV->NAS->NKJ but they weren't. they are all translated from the manuscripts that they have dating back to the dates that they were written or as close as possible giving that these documents are close to 2000 years old. So do not say that I am assuming like an idiot.
 
Why do you try to prove a person faith wrong? A person believes what they wish to. And you openly talking bad about someones religion is unreasonable. Have you no couth, to sit here and tell what you think as if someone actually gives a damn? I haven't seen one thread about bashing Atheist or any other form of belief. So why do start up a thread that is only going to lead to flame wars? I have seen these threads before, and where do they lead? Nowhere.
 
BiggieN: It is certainly true that we as Christians have no power to convert the unbelieving. God is the only one that can do that. However, we are called to spread the &quot;good news&quot; of Jesus Christ to the world. One does not have to be a missionary or a pastor to do such a thing. Simply showing others your faith by the way you live your life is sufficient. I don't actively tell others about Jesus, although it would be nice to. I live my life by following God's law to the best of my abilities.
 
that's kinda what i was saying joshdoe. thanks for clarifying though. i must've worded it wrong because bobtist asked me about my statement as well.
 
i know a lot of people always think atheists or whatnot are attacking christians in their beliefs but i think a lot of us just don't understand this &quot;faith&quot; that some of you may have and by asking questions we are just hoping to get a better understanding. for people who don't believe...there are a lot of things that don't make sense. sometimes when i'm making my arguments it sounds like i may be attacking when in truth i'm just speaking what makes sense to me...am i making any sense here? heh
 
Gentlemen (and ladies), by even attempting to rationalize the full meaning of God fully is a futile undertaking. The metaphysical, in the highest understanding, can only come from non-rational sources. To try and reason everything (which many philisophies do) will just cause much unrest amongs us. The people who claim themselves to be atheists can not fully understand God. The people who claim to understand God also often are confused in their own beliefs and are just doing so &quot;because veryone in their family is&quot;. But for those of us that understand and realize reality and have His spirit guiding us, we can only discuss these matters if the people wish to do so. Any alternative action illustrates the need to better one's own self to be able to fight His battle on earth. The example provided here of an individual who has attempted to gather all sources to convince himself that he is correct is fully correct in the mentality of some people. But again, I stress, to argue the point into death with little theology, dogma, and philosophy is exactly &quot;neffing&quot;. It is best compared to the chattering of children, whose time has not come yet.
 
Don't you love these freedom of expressions. One can create a website to voice whatever opinion a person have.

There are books printed that discusses what the writer thinks Christ life was during the 19-29 years of age. The books were not popular because the church labeled them to be untrue. I don't recall seeing a well documented proof about the accuracy of the books.

People are given the opportunity to choose their own belief. Those who believe shall not die but have an everlasting life!
 
If any of you ignorant skeptics would actually take the time to read the Bible and try to understand what it's saying instead of taking everything literally and refuting it, and making a website out of it, you would realize that you don't know what you're talking about.
Since whoever made the website obviously has no life, spending all that time making it, he should have used that time to understand what the Bible is actually trying to say.
 
To those who beleive in the bible:

Quit whining about something that someone has decided to put against you're all holy bible and what it says. And one of you religious people said earlier that the bible shouldn't be taken literally every word by God, but shouldn't it, because the bible was supposedly written by God himself through certain men?

To those who don't beleive in god or the bible:

Don't try to quote from the bible. It only makes you look stupid. To understand any passage from the bible, you have to essentially read the whole damn thing, which is where these god followers get you everytime.


As for me, I don't care about none of that. I'm living life as it is, and if this whole god and bible thing is true, and he did love us and all that sh!t, why not tell us? I mean, damn, that's just retarded. I'll stick with my beleifs of Playstation and the internet.🙂
 
ok, ok. so Islam, judaism and christianity have somewhat the same origins (that's why its kinda funny too see these religious people fight each other so much), BUT, what about hinduism, buddism, shintoists and the hundreds of other minor religions? what if they disagree with the bible (i dont know, so I cant say if they do or do not)? Do the followers of those religions go to the christian hell because of that?



<< . I believe in evolution, but think at some point God gave a little push and thus no missing link has really been found. >>



this is a popular argument, however, look at humans as a race in the big picture. Technologically and scientifically we are only infants and we dont really know anything yet. I believe that in time science will answer all our questions...

I am sure you've hear of Type I, II and III civilizaitons. well, if we continue at the current pace, maybe, just maybe in 300-400 years we will be a Type I civilization. We are not advanced AT ALL!!!
 
Pyro, I can't say who's going to hell or not. But, just to me the fact that the world's two largest religions are related seems more than just a coincidence.
 
One thing that many religious people forget is that the major reason anyone believes in what they do is because of how they were brought up. Most children are brain washed from the age of 2 based on whatever their parents wanted them to believe.

Anyone born to a christian family is brought up christian, anyone born to a hindu family is brought up hindu.

Do you think you would have the strong religious beliefs some of you do if you had been brought up seeing all sides of the subject? Can you tell a child that some of their friends may be condemned to hell because of what church their parents belong to?

I have no problem with religion, or religious people, as long as they think long and hard about what they believe, and where those beliefs came from.

When it all comes down to it, what separates the bible (especially the old testament) from myth? Fire raining down from the sky, people turning into salt, etc.
 
you're right, its not a coincidence -- they are simply derived from one another.

but that does not answer my question. According to the bible God is the only god, there are no other gods and he created the earth and everything in it. So, if someone is brought up NOT to believe in god, or lives in isolation and does not hear about god or is from another religion, does that mean that that person will go to hell because he didnt believe in the one god?

 
Once again, I don't know who's going to hell or not. No one does. (living that is) However to my earlier point. Being that the world's two largest religions are related (53% of the population combined and growing mostly due to birth rates in islamic countries) I would say that there's a good chance there's some truth behind it instead of just mass delusion. Let me be clearer. Christianity and Islam are related, that's more to do with the origins of both. However, being that Christianity and Islam are the world's two largest religions leads me to believe that people have an innate ability to notice that there is some truth in either of the two.
 
Bottomline:
The existence of God and the validity of the bible can neither be proven nor disproven. Individuals are entitled to believe what they will, but of course we all knew that.

Opinion:
I like to think of Christianity as a behavior--and it would be to everyone's advantage to extract all the righteous preachings from the bible, put them into context, and practice them. (But the same goes for most religions) 🙂

I, for one, like to believe that if there was a God--he would have an unparalled compassion and understanding. As long as I live a good life--he would understand and forgive me for not worshipping him. I simply refuse to believe he'd be so narrow-minded--and if he was, maybe heaven wouldn't be all that it's cracked up to be.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

TRENDING THREADS

Back
Top