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Excellent article on piracy, and it makes a good argument about the trade deficit

Anarchist420

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I had thought of the trade deficit issue and realized that it's strengthened by IP, but the following blog really explained it better than I ever could:

http://eatingpropaganda.blogspot.com/2011/06/internet-epitome-of-anarchy.html

If we were allowed to go free enterprise, then manufacturing would probably become a near-dead industry and our trade surplus or at least real GDP would sky rocket if nothing over the internet was prohibited.

To me, it seems like the Federal government wants to be just like china, really. The Free market is the only way to get us ahead, rather than more government intervention. Thomas Jefferson was right in his belief that it should be left up to individuals and free enterprise to move past an agrarian economy. If we had never had tariffs or any of the other Constitutional mercantilism, we'd probably be past manufacturing. Government always impedes progress.

Ending my commentary, what do you think about the article I linked? I think his point is excellent, and if you don't understand me, then read him.
 
That is a terrible article. It is poorly written, goes off on tangents, isn't well organized, and isn't well thought out.

The guy links to a Forbes article which HE says claims that Valve is worth more than Apple. "also Forbes said that VaLVE is worth more than Apple." If you read the article he links to, they said nothing of the sort. Forbes says that Gabe Newell claims that on a per employee basis, Valve is more profitable than Google and Apple. VERY different, yet believable. The author has some serious comprehension issues.
 
My post explicitly states what you are saying that i avoided.

"(also Forbes said that VaLVE is worth more than Apple. They only employ something like 250 people and are valued around 4 billion! However, that is only an estimate as they don't publish full numbers and aren't publicly traded.)"

That is why i put the link there. So viewers can see what i mean.

Sorry my post is disorganized, it was pieced together and it is not a news article as much as an opinion post.

Also, most of our trade deficit is imported oil (2/3s) so it would take A LOT more than just my utopian internet scenario to help resolve that issue. Ask the FED.

Thanks for reading either way.
 
What a preposterous argument. The internet isn't "free" and information isn't "free" unless the creator of the information wants it to be free.

1. You blame the government for controlling "information" for the benefit of those evil corporate types.

2. Then you use an evil corporate type (Valve) to justify how the internet being "Free" also means that it can make companies more profitable.

3. Then you go onto ripping on cloud systems (which is effectively what Steam is, one of those evil corporate thingies that track your usage, credit card numbers, IP...etc).

4. Finally, you roll it into a stupid "information is free" argument.

First off, nothing is free unless somebody doesn't value their time or wants it to be free. Paying people for their labors is essential in a capitalist economy, otherwise nobody would work. A utopian society would be something akin to Star Trek where money isn't even needed, but that's sci-fi, this is reality.

Basically, you remind me of a guy I once knew. He wanted to download everything because "information is free". He'd download terrabytes of movies, music, games...etc. Then, one day, his son discovered he had musical talent (and he did!). His son initially played for "Free" to get stage time and to hone his skills. However, as his son became more skilled and people offered him money for his time (instead of him being desperate for theirs), he started making money. He was a prolific song writer and his father naturally wanted to protect his son's work, so he copyrighted the songs. When I pointed how the natural conflict, he failed to understand why his actions of downloading and the actions of copyrighting were hypocritical.

This is you, you are a hypocrite. You want EVERYBODY ELSE'S fruits of labor to be free so you can just get free shit rather than working for it. You are nothing more than somebody who feels like a candy bar at Wal Mart is yours to take when you want. After all, goods should be "free" too. That's not capitalism, that's just theft.

What's even more hilarious is that your "Free" distribution network wasn't created for "Free", it was built using that evil entity, the US Government, using evil taxation. That was furthered by more evil companies with their own investments in infrastructure. So, effectively, without government intervention and regulation and evil corporate control, your whole "information is free" outlook is bullshit.

Then there's the whole idea that "Free shit" (aka, theft) can cure the trade deficit. Are you fucking joking? The TD, ex oil, isn't from CDs, it's from shit you buy at Wal Mart (clothes, toys...etc). Unless every 6 year old is going to just play with stolen computer games, your idea is ridiculous. Then you have cars (let's steal those too), dish washers (steal them), and microwave ovens (micro wave signals are free!).

Finally, to compare valve to goog or aapl is utterly ridiculous. One is a game publisher, the other two are the world's largest music distributor, software developer, and hardware maker while the other is the world's largest advertiser and search engine. That's like comparing Allen Edmonds to Nike.

OVerall, I'd peg your age at about the same as 420's, about 21-22. You probably live with your parents, like he does, and you probably went to a shitty college, like he does. Your maturity and knowledge level of the world barely exceeds that of a teenager.
 
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Well that's a mouthful. You are ignoring my concessions that i make at the very beginning of my post. i explicitly state that the data is not free to create, it is merely free to publish and distribute. That is the point.

I also explicitly state that PHYSICAL PRODUCTION IS WHERE PEOPLE WILL SPEND THE MONEY THEY SAVE FROM THE LOW PRICES ON THE INTERNET.

also my last post in this thread says that the trade deficit is not solvable by my idea, i say that it is a piece of it. Oil is the majority of it.

I think you disagree with my politics, and likely despise anti-authority or IP opinions. I happen to play music and don't buy your story. I think the kid didn't get it because you are trying to explain it from the anti-socialist point of view. Did Elvis not take someone elses songs and make them famous? He didn't write them, don't you think he took advantage of them? haha

I support valve because they are not an evil corporation, they spearheaded the move AWAY from the centralized corporate (cartelized) development mentality and gave a platform to independent game developers. They can avoid publishing and distribution costs and their games cost $15 not $60. Their cloud does not disallow you from using their content because you still hold the data on your hard drive. That is not the case for Google, apple, amazon, itunes. So your comparison parameters are not up to grade.

Also
Then there's the whole idea that "Free shit" (aka, theft) can cure the trade deficit. Are you fucking joking? The TD, ex oil, isn't from CDs, it's from shit you buy at Wal Mart (clothes, toys...etc). Unless every 6 year old is going to just play with stolen computer games, your idea is ridiculous. Then you have cars (let's steal those too), dish washers (steal them), and microwave ovens (micro wave signals are free!).

CD's, games, and dvd's are shit people buy at walmart you fucking moron. it is all IMPORTED. IMPORTED OIL IS the trade deficit. My guess is you have NO idea how the treasury markets influence the price of oil and debt repayments.

It was not me that compared Valve to Google and apple it was Forbes magazine.

I am in a graduate program for economics and politics.

Work is not an end. Work is the means and if you can take a slimmer means, then why not. I know well how capitalism works (mises.org).

You are stressing the importance of what is called the "free rider" dilemma. I do not think that is a real thing when it comes to things like information. My contention that it is free is simply an exaggeration of what is in reality a minuscule price point. The "freeness" of information is a function of its super-abundance. You can create a song in your house, then upload it to the internet and have it spread to every country in the world in an hour. That is very different than saving money and getting CD's pressed then shipping them EVERYWHERE.

Do you think it was right for Michael Jackson to own the Beatles songs? and profit from radio stations using them? Wouldn't it make sense that after the beatles are no longer alive or care to own the tracks themselves that to save the economy money and to further production in new directions that royalties diminish? The radio stations can stop giving Jackson money for songs Lennon wrote and they can buy new songs. Michael Jackson was acting literally as an economic leech from their talents. SO who is the capitalist?

Copyright laws came into existence, not to protect intellectual property, but to restrict speech. In France, there were very popular pornographic pamphlets that people used to recite lines that were embarrassing to the monarch and the queen and undermined their authority. So the queen made laws that restriced their use to that of the authors.

Thomas Jefferson argued against the moneyed restriction of information as well. Read his letters from France home during the constitutional convention. He argued that you can obtain others work (he was talking about books and copies of them), add your own value and not harm the ownership of the original.

Also, you didn't mention freeware and shareware. Have you heard of those? That is where computer software originated. In the realm of free.

Also, try and mask your anger with a spell check. Hope your panties are Ok.

let me guess, you are a dad, probly 42-45? that is unsatisfied with the wife, job, dumb/ugly kids, maybe your whole life? go hunting you fucking redneck. I'd peg you at: never read a book in his life, just stares at the grey wall at the factory blaming poor people and foreigners for all the woes in life. Cause he lacks the mental functionality to do read into economics.
 
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how will people who make content recoup their expenses in your new world order?

Well, when any entrepreneur invests in anything, he gambles on whether or not it will pay off.

So, if what you do (incurring costs) is worth more than what you put into it, people will voluntarily pay you. Shareware (pay if you want). Just like my "if you make a song in your house" scenario, those people will pay you if you ask for donations. Similar to, but not quite, charity.

It is dependent on whether or not it is worth other peoples money, time, or labor.

I cite super meat boy and valve. People could, theoretically steal everything on the internet. and given the efficient market hypothesis they all should be doing that, because it is the most economic choice. So why don't people?

They think it is worth their money.

I just think that will change when people realize the hidden costs of buying digital medai in physical form.
 
Well, when any entrepreneur invests in anything, he gambles on whether or not it will pay off.

So, if what you do (incurring costs) is worth more than what you put into it, people will voluntarily pay you. Shareware (pay if you want). Just like my "if you make a song in your house" scenario, those people will pay you if you ask for donations. Similar to, but not quite, charity.

It is dependent on whether or not it is worth other peoples money, time, or labor.

I cite super meat boy and valve. People could, theoretically steal everything on the internet. and given the efficient market hypothesis they all should be doing that, because it is the most economic choice. So why don't people?

They think it is worth their money.

I just think that will change when people realize the hidden costs of buying digital medai in physical form.

So people should spend 10 to 100 million making a movie and people can pay if they want? Seems to me there wont be any more movies in this world.
 
User made stuff. My contention is that production values will drop. Not that there will be NO MORE movies, but they will just be made for cheaper.

Look for the purchase brothers (escape from city 17.
 
So people should spend 10 to 100 million making a movie and people can pay if they want? Seems to me there wont be any more movies in this world.
No offense, but you're being an economicaly illiterate and corporatist dig bumbass right now. In an IP-free there will be just as many good movies, if not more.
 
What a preposterous argument. The internet isn't "free" and information isn't "free" unless the creator of the information wants it to be free.

1. You blame the government for controlling "information" for the benefit of those evil corporate types.

2. Then you use an evil corporate type (Valve) to justify how the internet being "Free" also means that it can make companies more profitable.

3. Then you go onto ripping on cloud systems (which is effectively what Steam is, one of those evil corporate thingies that track your usage, credit card numbers, IP...etc).

4. Finally, you roll it into a stupid "information is free" argument.

First off, nothing is free unless somebody doesn't value their time or wants it to be free. Paying people for their labors is essential in a capitalist economy, otherwise nobody would work. A utopian society would be something akin to Star Trek where money isn't even needed, but that's sci-fi, this is reality.

Basically, you remind me of a guy I once knew. He wanted to download everything because "information is free". He'd download terrabytes of movies, music, games...etc. Then, one day, his son discovered he had musical talent (and he did!). His son initially played for "Free" to get stage time and to hone his skills. However, as his son became more skilled and people offered him money for his time (instead of him being desperate for theirs), he started making money. He was a prolific song writer and his father naturally wanted to protect his son's work, so he copyrighted the songs. When I pointed how the natural conflict, he failed to understand why his actions of downloading and the actions of copyrighting were hypocritical.

This is you, you are a hypocrite. You want EVERYBODY ELSE'S fruits of labor to be free so you can just get free shit rather than working for it. You are nothing more than somebody who feels like a candy bar at Wal Mart is yours to take when you want. After all, goods should be "free" too. That's not capitalism, that's just theft.

What's even more hilarious is that your "Free" distribution network wasn't created for "Free", it was built using that evil entity, the US Government, using evil taxation. That was furthered by more evil companies with their own investments in infrastructure. So, effectively, without government intervention and regulation and evil corporate control, your whole "information is free" outlook is bullshit.

Then there's the whole idea that "Free shit" (aka, theft) can cure the trade deficit. Are you fucking joking? The TD, ex oil, isn't from CDs, it's from shit you buy at Wal Mart (clothes, toys...etc). Unless every 6 year old is going to just play with stolen computer games, your idea is ridiculous. Then you have cars (let's steal those too), dish washers (steal them), and microwave ovens (micro wave signals are free!).

Finally, to compare valve to goog or aapl is utterly ridiculous. One is a game publisher, the other two are the world's largest music distributor, software developer, and hardware maker while the other is the world's largest advertiser and search engine. That's like comparing Allen Edmonds to Nike.

OVerall, I'd peg your age at about the same as 420's, about 21-22. You probably live with your parents, like he does, and you probably went to a shitty college, like he does. Your maturity and knowledge level of the world barely exceeds that of a teenager.
No damn it, he's pretty damn smart and you're just a corporatist, like you've always been. Was he charging you for reading his blog post? Didn't he just give you the fruits of his labor at no cost to you?
 
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No damn it, he's pretty damn smart and you're just a corporatist, like you've always been. Was he charging you for reading his blog post? Didn't he just give you the fruits of his labor at no cost to you?

So you're telling me that he's going to work for free the rest of his life? Sounds great, I need a bitch at work do pull staples, do my expense reports, and spread financials.

If his ideas were worth anything I'd pay for them, obviously I think they are worthless.
 
Well that's a mouthful. You are ignoring my concessions that i make at the very beginning of my post. i explicitly state that the data is not free to create, it is merely free to publish and distribute. That is the point.

I also explicitly state that PHYSICAL PRODUCTION IS WHERE PEOPLE WILL SPEND THE MONEY THEY SAVE FROM THE LOW PRICES ON THE INTERNET.

also my last post in this thread says that the trade deficit is not solvable by my idea, i say that it is a piece of it. Oil is the majority of it.

But your contention of "free shit" and getting rid of copyrights and other IP protection, effectively says "I want free shit". Physical production is *EXACTLY* how much of the trade deficit? It is minuscule. Real stuff made in China is the bulk of the trade deficit outside of oil.
I think you disagree with my politics, and likely despise anti-authority or IP opinions. I happen to play music and don't buy your story. I think the kid didn't get it because you are trying to explain it from the anti-socialist point of view. Did Elvis not take someone elses songs and make them famous? He didn't write them, don't you think he took advantage of them? haha
I do despise your idiotic anti-authority and IP opinions, merely because they are nonsensical. You just want "Free shit" and to enjoy the fruits of other's labors, talents, and ideas, without paying a penny for them. That is not only outright theft, but intellectually and morally dishonest and, at the core, communist in many ways (the community has the rights to everything).

Elvis didn't "take" anything, he used songwriter's talents to create songs, as almost all artists did back then, including Frank Sinatra, and was a performer/singer/artist in his own right. Those songwriter's received compensation for their talents through royalties or outright payments up-front. Stupid argument is stupid. What's funny is that you thought he got it for free because all you want is "Free shit".

I support valve because they are not an evil corporation, they spearheaded the move AWAY from the centralized corporate (cartelized) development mentality and gave a platform to independent game developers. They can avoid publishing and distribution costs and their games cost $15 not $60. Their cloud does not disallow you from using their content because you still hold the data on your hard drive. That is not the case for Google, apple, amazon, itunes. So your comparison parameters are not up to grade.
Dude, Valve was railed against for Steam because it tracked everything. Their games still cost more and the small developers don't produce the higher quality games, thus they have to charge less.

I forgot that iTunes doesn't store info on your hdd and that the songs aren't yours to use as you wish on several ipods, in your car on your ipod connected through an ipod or aux cable, as you jog in the middle of the desert with no 3g, or as you hide up a mountain with no 3g. It's all cloud based...

More "free shit" mentality.


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CD's, games, and dvd's are shit people buy at walmart you fucking moron. it is all IMPORTED. IMPORTED OIL IS the trade deficit. My guess is you have NO idea how the treasury markets influence the price of oil and debt repayments.
People don't go to Wal Mart to stock up on CDs, games, or DVDs. Ever look at how big the electronics department is compared to everything else? Electronics is usually less than 20% of the store size and likely about the same amount in revenue, adjusted for average purchase price (units, not price). THe bulk of their China-shit sales comes from clothes/shoes/accessories, cheap paper towels/tp, cheap car shit, cheap lawn ornaments...etc.

Again, you put everything into your "Free shit" perspective without actually having any data. Obviously the trade deficit HAS to be fueled by marginal value-added stamping of CDs and not creation of clothes or shoes. Fuck, get some perspective in life.

It was not me that compared Valve to Google and apple it was Forbes magazine.

No, but you use it as a way to compare it to their obviously flawed business models, it is a major underpinning of your argument.

I am in a graduate program for economics and politics.
So, a theoretical non-real world doof. Long on theories, short on practical application.

Work is not an end. Work is the means and if you can take a slimmer means, then why not. I know well how capitalism works (mises.org).
Show me one capitalist system that has survived, thrived, and still exists that touts the moronic application fo mises theories. If it were better, then by its very nature it would still exist, right? I'm sure you'll spittle out some "but..but...but...brainwashing!!!" bullshit. Sorry charley, doesn't work.

You are stressing the importance of what is called the "free rider" dilemma. I do not think that is a real thing when it comes to things like information. My contention that it is free is simply an exaggeration of what is in reality a minuscule price point. The "freeness" of information is a function of its super-abundance. You can create a song in your house, then upload it to the internet and have it spread to every country in the world in an hour. That is very different than saving money and getting CD's pressed then shipping them EVERYWHERE.
Wow, so now you're going into supply/demand, good information isn't in abundant supply. That's why your blog is free while real data and ideas aren't.

Do you think it was right for Michael Jackson to own the Beatles songs? and profit from radio stations using them? Wouldn't it make sense that after the beatles are no longer alive or care to own the tracks themselves that to save the economy money and to further production in new directions that royalties diminish? The radio stations can stop giving Jackson money for songs Lennon wrote and they can buy new songs. Michael Jackson was acting literally as an economic leech from their talents. SO who is the capitalist?

Copyright laws came into existence, not to protect intellectual property, but to restrict speech. In France, there were very popular pornographic pamphlets that people used to recite lines that were embarrassing to the monarch and the queen and undermined their authority. So the queen made laws that restriced their use to that of the authors.
Absolutely I think it is right for him to own the Beatles songs. They tried to dodge taxes by putting the songs into a public company which was then bought out. Their loss, his gain. He wasn't an economic leach, they produced something, he bought the production, people found value in the production and paid money for the songs, not the media. That is capitalist.

Ironically, you rip on Elvis in the beginning, yet even Lennon said that before Elvis there was nothing. McCartney said that everybody wanted to be Elvis. Obviously they saw the talents and wanted to emulate them, obviously for profit and the market wanted that product.

Who is the non-capitalist in your desire to NOT pay somebody for their product?

So because they were originally used for nefarious purposes they are all evil? Well, what a moronic idea. I think you should stop using the internet now because it was originally built by the government, for the communication between military installations, specifically, nuclear weapons silos and command centers. Please, just stop.

Thomas Jefferson argued against the moneyed restriction of information as well. Read his letters from France home during the constitutional convention. He argued that you can obtain others work (he was talking about books and copies of them), add your own value and not harm the ownership of the original.
Why do people think that using Thomas Jefferson as a paragon of sound money, fiscal policy, and business prowess is practical? The guy was an awesome philosopher, but couldn't put anything to use. His ideas were pie-in-the-sky, like yours. That's why he was a failed farmer, failed nail maker and overall failed financially in his life. He constantly spent more than he could take in, even with many slaves. He died insolvent and owing banks, businessmen, friends, and family gobs of money.

As a President, he continually expanded the power of the Executive, contrary to his teachings and almost bankrupted the country with the LA Purchase (assuming debt, contrary to his writings). Don't prattle on about Jefferson.

Also, you didn't mention freeware and shareware. Have you heard of those? That is where computer software originated. In the realm of free.
No, computer software originated by corporations making operating systems and applications for the government, big corporations and eventually companies like MS and Apple charging for them. Freeware/shareware were always a very small portion of the population, mainly because they weren't worth much or had niche products.

Also, try and mask your anger with a spell check. Hope your panties are Ok.

let me guess, you are a dad, probly 42-45? that is unsatisfied with the wife, job, dumb/ugly kids, maybe your whole life? go hunting you fucking redneck. I'd peg you at: never read a book in his life, just stares at the grey wall at the factory blaming poor people and foreigners for all the woes in life. Cause he lacks the mental functionality to do read into economics.

I didn't see anything spelled wrong. Boxers are just fine, thanks.

wrong on all other parts.
 
User made stuff. My contention is that production values will drop. Not that there will be NO MORE movies, but they will just be made for cheaper.

Look for the purchase brothers (escape from city 17.

Sorry, but most "user made stuff" is garbage. They lack production quality, post-editing quality, sound quality and FX quality. They can be kitschy, but, overall, aren't all that great.

There are some good pearls but, overall, they are junk. Nobody will spend tons of time and effort on "Free shit" like you want.
 
Freeware and shareware stopped being a thing because they didn't work. I thought that was obvious.

As a software developer I would be amenable to changes in copyright and IP laws to drastically shorten the time period in which software IP is protected (down to two or five years), but only a complete idiot would think that they should be eradicated altogether. Transmission of data may be free or nearly free, but my time isn't.
 
As a software developer I would be amenable to changes in copyright and IP laws to drastically shorten the time period in which software IP is protected (down to two or five years), but only a complete idiot would think that they should be eradicated altogether. Transmission of data may be free or nearly free, but my time isn't.

Thanks to you, even if you disagree.

I agree with this. Like i said "free" is an exaggeration of miniscule price points. I think software, music, written words, music, and movies will be forced down in price because of publishing and distribution costs being eliminated on the internet.

Time and effort are what people pay for.

The old man on here ranting about me wanting "free shit" refuses to see these points. He is stereotyping my opinion and using red herring, ad himinem, bandwagon, and glittering generalities in his arguments.

It's not that i want "free shit"; it's that i want prices down. How do you compete with free? Lower prices. That is all you can do. This, unfortunately for developers of all media, will result in lower prices and lower wages. Maybe Executive Producers don't need six digit paychecks for 'advising' the writers...


Also, crazy irate old man, physical shit that is made in china IS cd's and things. Cds, DVDs, Games are all pyhsically stamped in China. Where do you think your cell phone, laptop, hondas, clothes, etc. dvd's come from, Ohio? They Are All Imports. If we have a trade deficit, then necessarily, all imports are a cause of it. China is a big one, but all of the oil that is sold in the name of the US dollar (oil we don't use, but people purchase it with US money) runs that number up. You are dumb.

Your point on the Beatles music falls short when you say that tracks recorded in the 60's are still "productive." ahahaha that is a joke. again, you are dumb. I'm not ripping on any musician. And if you make a song and then through the legal system i am able to profit from it that is capitalism? Lennon's labor went into those songs, it was Jackson co opting a monopolistic law making institution that gave him the ability to BE THE SOLE PROPRIETOR of someone else's labor. It's almost like Lennon was a dead slave to Jackson.

Notice how the other people in the thread can disagree without ranting about my mentality...you are dumb.

Piratemyfilm.com for an example of how movies are funded with this point of view. No multinational corporations required.
 
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Is this "trash"? it was made by indie developers.

"Filmed guerilla style. No crew. First two episodes made on a $500 budget, not including previous capital. Valve flew the brothers out to Seattle last year. and mentioned they were 'blown away' by the project on Steam.

1.5 Million hits in three days. 2 million in a week."

Boom bitch, how 'bout them apples? huh? huh? 2 million people saw their effort for free and it's almost like it was worth it even though there never was any monetary reward.


What about this? Also, you guessed it indie devs.

And these are movies. Google: 'super meat boy' or 'amnesia the game' whether you play games or not they are terrific examples of cheap software development that people don't pirate (even though they could) and aren't forced to subsidize the costs of distribution and publishing.

Here are music videos and songs that are made without asking people for money. But, it's proabably just kids in their mom's basement, right?

The old man seems to not have a very wide understanding of media. But you know old folks, they can barely work their hardware let alone understand the economic dynamics of it.
 
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and yes, Jefferson might not have been a great example, how about Ludwig von Mises or FA Hayek, or Murray Rothbard. Look up rothbard and what he said about abundance as well as property rights.

Jefferson also owned stock in the bank of Philadelphia as well as spent a lot of time mapping the gulf winds in attempts to send plants to certain areas of the colonies hoping that the winds could help spread the plants around. The only plant anyone cared about were almonds. He had much more philosophy than anyone else at the time.

He did all kinds of things for VA that people overlook cause he owned slaves and despised the banking system. And the LA purchase was motivated by his wanting to help Napoleon by using the English inspired Central bank to help combat the interests of England. When he installed the embargo did his administration prosecute states that nullified it? No. But every other president that had states nullify tried to sue them over it. Look at SC and WI in the 1850's.

French economics is where TJ got his opinion, unlike Hamilton who had his British East India Co. propaganda disseminated through merchants handing out pamphlets in support of the crown's trade policies.

Everything outside of M$ and Apple was put together by people trying to help other people better use their computers. Free/Shareware are the best method for understanding how things will operate after the value of American time declines because we aren't productive and can't compete with five thousand a year salaries in the labor markets.. And corporations aren't the only way to organize productive labor.

Good info would be super abundant if people didn't artificially inflate it's value through the law. For example: Paper money is only accepted, and valuable generally because the government requires us to pay taxes in it.
 
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Mises is Fail.


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and yes, Jefferson might not have been a great example, how about Ludwig von Mises or FA Hayek, or Murray Rothbard. Look up rothbard and what he said about abundance as well as property rights.

Jefferson also owned stock in the bank of Philadelphia as well as spent a lot of time mapping the gulf winds in attempts to send plants to certain areas of the colonies hoping that the winds could help spread the plants around. The only plant anyone cared about were almonds. He had much more philosophy than anyone else at the time.

He did all kinds of things for VA that people overlook cause he owned slaves and despised the banking system. And the LA purchase was motivated by his wanting to help Napoleon by using the English inspired Central bank to help combat the interests of England. When he installed the embargo did his administration prosecute states that nullified it? No. But every other president that had states nullify tried to sue them over it. Look at SC and WI in the 1850's.

French economics is where TJ got his opinion, unlike Hamilton who had his British East India Co. propaganda disseminated through merchants handing out pamphlets in support of the crown's trade policies.

Everything outside of M$ and Apple was put together by people trying to help other people better use their computers. Free/Shareware are the best method for understanding how things will operate after the value of American time declines because we aren't productive and can't compete with five thousand a year salaries in the labor markets.. And corporations aren't the only way to organize productive labor.

Good info would be super abundant if people didn't artificially inflate it's value through the law. For example: Paper money is only accepted, and valuable generally because the government requires us to pay taxes in it.

Friendly word of advice: know when you've lost.
 
i especially like how no one actually addresses any of my points. Vague statements and 'atop my cloud' judgments.

"mises is fail'? right and you're the 12th imam, i'm sure. WinRAR? anyone? has anyone paid for it? some people have.

did anyone go to piratemyfilm.com? Get, at least, an idea of what i am talking about.

Talk about killing the messenger for all of the douches who think that contractual monopoly is legitimate, even in privilege form.
 
because you are an idiot.

I work in the film industry. I'm not going to work for free. Sorry.

The carpenter who builds a fucking set wont do that "for the art of it". Now we don't need sets built? We can shoot everything gorilla? Only that is illegal and most people get caught and are fined.

But you are entitled to your opinion I guess. Just don't expect any traction. The person who posted your article here is our village idiot. You're not important.
 
Is this "trash"? it was made by indie developers.

"Filmed guerilla style. No crew. First two episodes made on a $500 budget, not including previous capital. Valve flew the brothers out to Seattle last year. and mentioned they were 'blown away' by the project on Steam.

1.5 Million hits in three days. 2 million in a week."

Boom bitch, how 'bout them apples? huh? huh? 2 million people saw their effort for free and it's almost like it was worth it even though there never was any monetary reward.

What about this? Also, you guessed it indie devs.

And these are movies. Google: 'super meat boy' or 'amnesia the game' whether you play games or not they are terrific examples of cheap software development that people don't pirate (even though they could) and aren't forced to subsidize the costs of distribution and publishing.

Here are music videos and songs that are made without asking people for money. But, it's proabably just kids in their mom's basement, right?

The old man seems to not have a very wide understanding of media. But you know old folks, they can barely work their hardware let alone understand the economic dynamics of it.

While advanced software packages to do things like this are ending up in more hands than ever before (often due to piracy), the fact of the matter is that AAA titles still require gobs of cash, and gobs of cash are only provided when there's reasonable assurance of making back that investment.

Dr. Horrible was an indie production (despite the big names in front of and behind the camera) and still cost around $200,000 to make. The fact that it was made at all was due to Joss Whedon being independently wealthy and the writer's strike was on; in order words, a bit of a fluke. I'm no fan of the MPAA or RIAA, but the need for deep pockets to produce quality art can't be ignored.
 
i especially like how no one actually addresses any of my points. Vague statements and 'atop my cloud' judgments.

"mises is fail'? right and you're the 12th imam, i'm sure. WinRAR? anyone? has anyone paid for it? some people have.

did anyone go to piratemyfilm.com? Get, at least, an idea of what i am talking about.

Talk about killing the messenger for all of the douches who think that contractual monopoly is legitimate, even in privilege form.

Legendkiller obliterated your points. There's a reason why von Mises and the Austrian school in general are not taken seriously by real economists.
 
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