Excellent article on piracy, and it makes a good argument about the trade deficit

[JSt0rm]

what a fucking zero. Self centered little babies wanting everything for free because internets.

 

[Em_ptySkin]

Legendkiller obliterated your points. There's a reason why von Mises and the Austrian school in general are not taken seriously by real economists.

Tell me why that is, friend. Hayek took Mises and rounded out the modern theory of capital and won a Nobel prize with it. The Austrian school isn't popular because it takes the food out of banks and governments mouth by denying "arbitrary credit expansion" at the central bank. They do not expand credit; the money supply is not nascent. Don't preach what you do not know. Foolish kid thinking he know economics.

Legendkiller has been on an emotional rant. He did point out a few inconsistencies, but they are hardly the bulk of the argument. He is overlooking, as is the film worker, that i am not saying EVERYTHING ABOUT EVERYTHING is free. I am saying that to distribute and publish the cost is only whatever your monthly bill to your ISP is and the time you spend laboring. Distribution and Publishing are HUGE amounts of money for music, movies, and games. But on digital terms they are not.

Digital forms will continue to push their brick and mortar cousins price down.

I am not expecting people to work for free, but for much less money.

Think about international balance of payments. The Chinese workers average around 7500 $USD per YEAR. Can anyone here imagine working for that little? No? That's because the value of your labor is heavily overpriced. We don't produce, all we do is consume. There is the pesky trade deficit, and how is it financed? The Chinese loan us the money we spend on their goods back to us so we can buy more goods from them. (Physical media is in here) And people think this is how trade works. hahahahaha

Frankly, i think the people in this thread don't want to admit that they aren't worth, in labor terms, as much to the world market as the average Indian or Chinese worker.

 

[Em_ptySkin]

Here is something not written by me for you brainiacs who immediately refer to me as "selfish" for pointing out a flaw in the concept of "SCARCITY" on the internet.

READ ME

Here:

"The reason that there is an economy is because there is scarcity in the world. That's an objective fact. Creating information (ideas) is limited only to the extant that one thinks. By writing this sentence, I'm not stealing information from the first english scribes; I'm rearranging the alphabet to communicate my ideas to you. Copyrights, Patents, Trademarks protect the expression of the idea, not the underlying idea itself. Furthermore, the periods of time for which ideas may not be copied is totally arbitrary.

Thought experiment: Picture a world where shelter has not yet been invented. One day a man named Legendkiller lays the foundation of a structure he calls "a house." There's a removable entrance, walls, and a cover on top.
He goes to the patent officer and gets a patent on his "house."
You walk by his "house" and are immediately interested. You currently live under a tree. So, you go deep into the forest (owned by no one at all) with your tools. You cut down several thick trees, cut them up, lay them and build your foundation. You build a "house!" However, you don't copy his design exactly; you add a few holes and lay thin sheets of glass in them, you add a stone column on top of the cover, you lay wood across the threshold of your entrance and outside the "house" with a cover over it.

For a few weeks, you and your family live comfortably with fires every night and long days outside reading, knitting etc on what you call a "porch." Legendkiller walks by one day and doesn't like what he sees. Not one bit. So he goes to the patent officer and complains. 4-6 weeks later and you're answering your "front door" to an officer and Legendkiller:

PO: Sir are you aware that LK has a patent on his invention "the house"?

J: No? Why?

PO: Well, your structure here is impressive but LK created it?

J: No, I built this house.

PO: Well, LK put a lot of effort into the design.

J: No, I laid the wood.

PO: Well, LK came up with the idea of the house.

J: I did too.

PO: Well, LK's patent states that his design may not be copied>.

J: I didn't copy his design; I added some personal belongings. For instance, I can burn a fire inside the house during the winters for warmth. I can enjoy sunlight inside, saving me candles and money.

PO: Unfortunately, you didn't receive permission to build this structure.

J: But this was made on my property, using my property, with my ingenuity, my dexterity, and my care.

PO: Regardless, you don't have the permission to build this structure. You may attempt again 20 years from LK's filing of patent, should he choose not to extend protection. Good day.
The point is that a patent is a monopoly on your use of your property. And that 20 years bit is true (cf. 35 USC § 154 (a)(2)) after having been for 17 years- why the change? Who knows? But then again, who knows why the government tries to hinder growth in the first place. Maybe companies would be more innovative if they didn't rely on 20 year old monopolies for their revenue."

"theft is usually defined as an unauthorized taking, keeping or using of another's property which must be accompanied by a mens rea of dishonesty and/or the intent to permanently deprive the owner or the person with rightful possession of that property or its use." from wikipedia

How is copying a file so that more people can have it preventing anyone else from having it?

so please a little bit of intellectualism?

 

[yllus]

Think about international balance of payments. The Chinese workers average around 7500 $USD per YEAR. Can anyone here imagine working for that little? No? That's because the value of your labor is heavily overpriced. We don't produce, all we do is consume. There is the pesky trade deficit, and how is it financed? The Chinese loan us the money we spend on their goods back to us so we can buy more goods from them. (Physical media is in here) And people think this is how trade works. hahahahaha

Frankly, i think the people in this thread don't want to admit that they aren't worth, in labor terms, as much to the world market as the average Indian or Chinese worker.

In your view, are there market sectors in North America that you consider to be appropriately priced, or are they all overpaid?

 

[fskimospy]

Well friend, the Austrian school isn't taken seriously because it isn't scientific. Austrians explicitly avoid all that scary math that comes along with real economics, and just replace it with 'well everybody knows X'. Their theories can't be proven, they usually offer no testable predictions, etc.

Hell, even Milton Friedman thinks they are a joke, and nobel laureates of every stripe have crapped all over it. It's not real economics or real science, it's economics for tier 4 school students such as Anarchist420, because actual economics are too hard.

 

[Em_ptySkin]

In your view, are there market sectors in North America that you consider to be appropriately priced, or are they all overpaid?

certainly there are correctly priced jobs and productivity in NA (or at least in terms of international payments). But if you look at the amount of service sector jobs and the amount of money spent on consumer goods, they do not come to proper proportion with what the USA produces and what would be required for reinvestment in consumer goods.

75% of our jobs are in the service sector (making sandwiches, teachers, R&D [which is good] and pushing papers) and roughly 10% are unemployed...are you seeing where i am going with this? 15% of our economy is production (physical) and my guess is about 7-8% of that is military (based on 14% of our GDP) whicxh is consumed, not by people, but by MNCs and governments. that other 7-8% is domestic production (food, petroleum, tables? etc.). The numbers do not add up for US sustainability.

As for the austrians "not being scientific." Um like i said do not preach what you do not know. Read that, dimwit.

 

[Em_ptySkin]

do you see how the Austrian school is a little MORE complicated than Keynes?

When they say that mathematics isn't useful they mean for planning the economy not for theorizing on the subject of it.

 

[JSt0rm]

the film industry tv industry and vg industry all create a product here in the united states and you want to destroy that via stealing the product from companies. Dont consume the content if you dont want to pay for it.

We are rpicing out a new stage right now.

48" of owens corning 2" 703 is $100 we need $8000 worth

the construction workers want 32k for the build out including drywall and labor.

We need to cover the 703 with acoustic cloth 66"x3' is 15.00usd we are covering a huge area with it.

We have to have a dolby tuned stage to mix the films in. So we have to pay dolby to come and tune the room with eq (eq that we have to buy - 6 channels worth = $6000)

Dolby charges $1000 for a modisk audio master to be layed back to film. This is on top of having the engineer out to record the printmaster of the final mix. Rent on our space is 18000 a month.

So how the fuck is your little model going to work?

 

[JSt0rm]

I havent included the cost of screen, speakers, protools rigs, electricity. You are delusional.

The god damn projector is $60k

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Oh lets make it and see if people will give us a dollar. yeah right. Say goodbye to your internet as you know it. The internet isnt in the bill of rights. In the future expect to see cops on every street corner.

 

[yllus]

certainly there are correctly priced jobs and productivity in NA (or at least in terms of international payments). But if you look at the amount of service sector jobs and the amount of money spent on consumer goods, they do not come to proper proportion with what the USA produces and what would be required for reinvestment in consumer goods.

75% of our jobs are in the service sector (making sandwiches, teachers, R&D [which is good] and pushing papers) and roughly 10% are unemployed...are you seeing where i am going with this? 15% of our economy is production (physical) and my guess is about 7-8% of that is military (based on 14% of our GDP) whicxh is consumed, not by people, but by MNCs and governments. that other 7-8% is domestic production (food, petroleum, tables? etc.). The numbers do not add up for US sustainability.

Sustainability is a separate topic from wage levels - let's not intermix the two unnecessarily.

I'm trying to reason this out loud, so bear with me. I think a lot of your argument here hinges on the production of physical items that by their very nature must be mined in North America as being the only things of concrete value.

I think that's untrue, and my proof for that statement is reality. Software developers at Google are not paid six figures because of protectionism or because the management of the company are fools. They simply realize something that I think you've dismissed due to a too simplistic outlook: The combination of how those developers have been educated, the infrastructure available to them locally, and the paradigm that they think with is world-class. Each of those three things have a basis in being born and living in North America - something I think people who haven't traveled extensively don't realize.

The same is even more immediately obvious for people working on a Hollywood film. The quality from start to finish remains a notch above that of any other nation's, and that is local talent and infrastructure at work.

Film workers and software developers in North America do in fact compete with those living overseas. That competition is waged 24/7/365 and yet those jobs remain local. Eventually the rest of the world will pull even and things will become more interesting, but that won't happen in a vacuum - significant costs will be undertaken to bring Chinese and Indian infrastructure and schooling up to par, and that money will be paid for with income and property taxes. The Third World will become more expensive; the West will become a little less so. Frankly, with the overpopulation issues those countries face I suspect they'll get it much worse than we will.

Your example of patenting the idea of a house doesn't prove anything. We all know that the one-click patent by Amazon is ridiculous, but it doesn't invalidate software patents themselves.

 

[fskimospy]

do you see how the Austrian school is a little MORE complicated than Keynes?

When they say that mathematics isn't useful they mean for planning the economy not for theorizing on the subject of it.

Hahaha, I've read plenty about the Austrian school. They offer abstract models, but as you mentioned specifically claim you can't model the real world. So in other words, when actually trying to deal with reality, they run away screaming from all the scary numbers. You're getting really mad now that everyone is dogpiling you for ascribing to such a ridiculous economic fantasy. I know it hurts when you realize that your view of the world is built on fairy tale bullshit, but don't worry, you'll feel better in time.

There's a reason why there's never been a successful implementation of Austrian theories in an economic system and no, it's not because everyone's scared that it's going to work so amazingly well.

 

[Em_ptySkin]

the film industry tv industry and vg industry all create a product here in the united states and you want to destroy that via stealing the product from companies. Dont consume the content if you dont want to pay for it.

We are rpicing out a new stage right now.

48" of owens corning 2" 703 is $100 we need $8000 worth

the construction workers want 32k for the build out including drywall and labor.

We need to cover the 703 with acoustic cloth 66"x3' is 15.00usd we are covering a huge area with it.

We have to have a dolby tuned stage to mix the films in. So we have to pay dolby to come and tune the room with eq (eq that we have to buy - 6 channels worth = $6000)

Dolby charges $1000 for a modisk audio master to be layed back to film. This is on top of having the engineer out to record the printmaster of the final mix. Rent on our space is 18000 a month.

So how the fuck is your little model going to work?

It's the market, man. You will have to take a pay cut or figure out ways to cut costs.

The movie and VG industry do need resources and electricity and all the things you mentioned, but those are irrespective of the point that the value of the actual job is weakened through accessibility to more and more.

Look at, "It's always sunny in philadelphia" the first season barely had a budget at all and it rocked. as they got more and more money the quality suffered. From this follows that money doesn't necessarily = quality.

or curb your enthusiasm, the only budget they have is the actors pay (probably a lot). Pretty sure that show is little more than mics, licenses (shot on local), and cameras (or it was, the last few seasons have had more production value).

I'm just telling you that the market is unbalanced and that your line of work has a lot of money that flows into it that will decrease as the internet becomes more accessible. Scarcity is non existent on the net and physical goods still are, so in terms of the structure of wants, they will take precedence. Things on the internet (aside from delivery retail) are worth less. In China piracy IS physical. They buy bootlegs on the streets, we (in the West) download those same videos. They are damaging in some ways, the old ways, but beneficial in the future.

 

[Em_ptySkin]

Hahaha, I've read plenty about the Austrian school. They offer abstract models, but as you mentioned specifically claim you can't model the real world. So in other words, when actually trying to deal with reality, they run away screaming from all the scary numbers. You're getting really mad now that everyone is dogpiling you for ascribing to such a ridiculous economic fantasy. I know it hurts when you realize that your view of the world is built on fairy tale bullshit, but don't worry, you'll feel better in time.

There's a reason why there's never been a successful implementation of Austrian theories in an economic system and no, it's not because everyone's scared that it's going to work so amazingly well.

You are soooo off base man. Holland 16th Century. Best example of a stateless society increasing their standard of living in history. Sadly, it only lasted for about 75 years. The problem is that people have the sad desire to control other people and that is why they convince themselves of myths like the government is there to protect us.

maybe my picture will show up cause obviously you didn't click that link to Austrian modeling.

 

[yllus]

the film industry tv industry and vg industry all create a product here in the united states and you want to destroy that via stealing the product from companies. Dont consume the content if you dont want to pay for it.

We are rpicing out a new stage right now.

48" of owens corning 2" 703 is $100 we need $8000 worth

the construction workers want 32k for the build out including drywall and labor.

We need to cover the 703 with acoustic cloth 66"x3' is 15.00usd we are covering a huge area with it.

We have to have a dolby tuned stage to mix the films in. So we have to pay dolby to come and tune the room with eq (eq that we have to buy - 6 channels worth = $6000)

Dolby charges $1000 for a modisk audio master to be layed back to film. This is on top of having the engineer out to record the printmaster of the final mix. Rent on our space is 18000 a month.

So how the fuck is your little model going to work?

I do wonder how much higher costs on AAA titles can possibly go. L.A. Noire cost what, $100 million and 7 years to produce? A lot of that was due to mismanagement, but video games today require the best software developers in the business, plus top voice actor talent, artists, and motion capture work. It seems crazy that any money can be made back on that even if each game is $60.

 

[JSt0rm]

Look at, "It's always sunny in philadelphia" the first season barely had a budget at all and it rocked. as they got more and more money the quality suffered. From this follows that money doesn't necessarily = quality.

Are you trying to say that more money decreases quality based on your one example? There are a thousand reasons why later seasons degraded in quality and I'm pretty sure it had less to do with money and more to do with writing.

or curb your enthusiasm, the only budget they have is the actors pay (probably a lot). Pretty sure that show is little more than mics, licenses (shot on local), and cameras (or it was, the last few seasons have had more production value).

I dont think you understand exactly what goes into a modern production.

I'm just telling you that the market is unbalanced and that your line of work has a lot of money that flows into it that will decrease as the internet becomes more accessible. Scarcity is non existent on the net and physical goods still are, so in terms of the structure of wants, they will take precedence. Things on the internet (aside from delivery retail) are worth less. In China piracy IS physical. They buy bootlegs on the streets, we (in the West) download those same videos. They are damaging in some ways, the old ways, but beneficial in the future.

The market is imbalanced because you steal from me.

 

[fskimospy]

You are soooo off base man. Holland 16th Century. Best example of a stateless society increasing their standard of living in history. Sadly, it only lasted for about 75 years. The problem is that people have the sad desire to control other people and that is why they convince themselves of myths like the government is there to protect us.

maybe my picture will show up cause obviously you didn't click that link to Austrian modeling.

I most certainly did click your link. The fact that the Austrian school does have a model doesn't mean that they don't explicitly deny their general use. This isn't even a point of contention.

Oh and if you're talking about the Dutch Golden Age I'm going to have to laugh at you even more. Truly we should hold up the creators of Tulip Mania as a paragon of economic wonder.

 

[fskimospy]

Are you trying to say that more money decreases quality based on your one example? There are a thousand reasons why later seasons degraded in quality and I'm pretty sure it had less to do with money and more to do with writing.



I dont think you understand exactly what goes into a modern production.



The market is imbalanced because you steal from me.

It is painfully clear that this kid has not spent any significant amount of time in the real world at this point.

 

[Em_ptySkin]

Sustainability is a separate topic from wage levels - let's not intermix the two unnecessarily.

I'm trying to reason this out loud, so bear with me. I think a lot of your argument here hinges on the production of physical items that by their very nature must be mined in North America as being the only things of concrete value.

I think that's untrue, and my proof for that statement is reality. Software developers at Google are not paid six figures because of protectionism or because the management of the company are fools. They simply realize something that I think you've dismissed due to a too simplistic outlook: The combination of how those developers have been educated, the infrastructure available to them locally, and the paradigm that they think with is world-class. Each of those three things have a basis in being born and living in North America - something I think people who haven't traveled extensively don't realize.

The same is even more immediately obvious for people working on a Hollywood film. The quality from start to finish remains a notch above that of any other nation's, and that is local talent and infrastructure at work.

Film workers and software developers in North America do in fact compete with those living overseas. That competition is waged 24/7/365 and yet those jobs remain local. Eventually the rest of the world will pull even and things will become more interesting, but that won't happen in a vacuum - significant costs will be undertaken to bring Chinese and Indian infrastructure and schooling up to par, and that money will be paid for with income and property taxes. The Third World will become more expensive; the West will become a little less so. Frankly, with the overpopulation issues those countries face I suspect they'll get it much worse than we will.

Your example of patenting the idea of a house doesn't prove anything. We all know that the one-click patent by Amazon is ridiculous, but it doesn't invalidate software patents themselves.

The bold points first, yes. correct. they think and act with what is available to them now and that is the US economy being the hub of all trade. This allows them cushy amounts of resources to develop on. Not to mention their (Google) contracts with DARPA and NSA. Lucky for us.

Second bold phrase, where do you think that comes from? Let me put it this way. All currencies are fiat. That is they promise to pay more of itself upon redemption. The value of these currencies is, therefore, dependent on the current, taxable, level of production that takes place. That level is contingent on imports/exports and consumption/investment. If we cannot service the debt then we cannot borrow and we fall back to our 15% production base.

IE. the money is worth what it trades for and when credit becomes scarce....Google will have no resources to develop with (in the US) they will leave like everyone else.

We need to setup conditions where production is attractive again or prices will never fall again.

 

[Em_ptySkin]

I most certainly did click your link. The fact that the Austrian school does have a model doesn't mean that they don't explicitly deny their general use. This isn't even a point of contention.

Oh and if you're talking about the Dutch Golden Age I'm going to have to laugh at you even more. Truly we should hold up the creators of Tulip Mania as a paragon of economic wonder.

You focus on the tulip bubble because you want to ignore the increase in standard of living. Sure any market can get carried away with speculation. There are many examples, but few where a country allows itself to export all production that is not food and war materials and import 85% of the consumer products.

and that bubble had many causes...

 

[yllus]

The bold points first, yes. correct. they think and act with what is available to them now and that is the US economy being the hub of all trade. This allows them cushy amounts of resources to develop on. Not to mention their (Google) contracts with DARPA and NSA. Lucky for us.

Second bold phrase, where do you think that comes from? Let me put it this way. All currencies are fiat. That is they promise to pay more of itself upon redemption. The value of these currencies is, therefore, dependent on the current, taxable, level of production that takes place. That level is contingent on imports/exports and consumption/investment. If we cannot service the debt then we cannot borrow and we fall back to our 15% production base.

IE. the money is worth what it trades for and when credit becomes scarce....Google will have no resources to develop with (in the US) they will leave like everyone else.

We need to setup conditions where production is attractive again or prices will never fall again.

Look, pretty much everything you've written is very amateur hour. You base most of your points off of a response to exceptions instead of norms, you're conflating a number of issues that have nothing to do with each other, and you've arbitrarily decreed that an unproven, nearly abandoned school of economic thought holds more weight than the system actually in use for centuries worldwide.

The world works the way it works not because it's twisted and held intact only by the conspiring of state actors and MNCs and the military-industrial complex. Things cost as much as they do because for the most part, that's what the investment in education, infrastructure and effort costs. The market does work, it does tell the truth, and it is the product of worldwide competition. That you don't grasp that is an enormous sign that you've never worked in a real career before - no offense.

I commend you for thinking, but don't get too caught up in this that you can't ever say, "I could be wrong."

 

[Em_ptySkin]

Are you trying to say that more money decreases quality based on your one example? There are a thousand reasons why later seasons degraded in quality and I'm pretty sure it had less to do with money and more to do with writing.



I dont think you understand exactly what goes into a modern production.



The market is imbalanced because you steal from me.

Yea there probably were a ton of reason for sunny sucking later on, the writing was deeper and more thought out at the start, you know. ANYWAY...

I don't think you understand economics outside if your own micro experience. I don't think that traditional (40 year old corporate models) business models will hold well into the future. Your company will fail (or see generally decreasing revenues) because they don't want to accept that the West has lived way past its means. Internet data is simply not as valuable as food and other physical goods and the third world will eventually reign because they have productive bases that sustain life. Internet doesn't do anything but enrich people with ideas. To monetize them is to take away the public domain of past thought.

Look at a library. Those books had thousands of hours of effort put into their writing and publication, but they are free at a store that is generally run by the local (city/county/state) government. Why can't movies be..., oh wait well then cds..., oh wait, or video games...dammit i'm way behind. All of your shit is free at the library. I guess the benefit is that we don't need that building anymore (well we do, but not for affluent nations) because we all have computers...pfft i knew there was an example out there in the world i've never been to.

Stealing requires, "permanently depriv[ing] the owner or the person with rightful possession of that property or its use." Copying is not stealing, although it is borderline, it doesn't fit the whole definition.

The market is unbalanced because we all steal from the third world. You are just too wrapped up in your worthless movies to understand the plight that the banking system causes for third world labor and resources in favor of the worlds MNCs. But that's not the wood you need for your stage is it?

Milton Friedman haha thanks Chris Matthews! "oh boy i got a free market lesson alright." the withholding tax...that's pretty free market, huh.

 

[JSt0rm]

Bullshit - you are stealing from me. as the 3rd world becomes the first world they will crave what I sell. when all of china onlines as a middle class they will want american movies and they will want to experience them in a theater.

I have no worry about my industry going away. If we cant alter how the internet works then everything we make will be watermarked with advertising and you will pay anyhow.

 

[Em_ptySkin]

Look, pretty much everything you've written is very amateur hour. You base most of your points off of a response to exceptions instead of norms, you're conflating a number of issues that have nothing to do with each other, and you've arbitrarily decreed that an unproven, nearly abandoned school of economic thought holds more weight than the system actually in use for centuries worldwide.

The world works the way it works not because it's twisted and held intact only by the conspiring of state actors and MNCs and the military-industrial complex. Things cost as much as they do because for the most part, that's what the investment in education, infrastructure and effort costs. The market does work, it does tell the truth, and it is the product of worldwide competition. That you don't grasp that is an enormous sign that you've never worked in a real career before - no offense.

I commend you for thinking, but don't get too caught up in this that you can't ever say, "I could be wrong."

I'm not afraid to say i'm wrong when i'm wrong. The only complaints i've really heard is that it is stealing and that how will it work. The market does work your right, and i won't deny any of that, but you need to not write off the significance of the banking system in threading together the fabric of trade.

My point in my initial blog post said that steam has exposed how wide of a corporate profit margin there is. It's like 30 bucks per unit more that they make if it is a digital purchase vs. brick and mortar. Publishers and distributors eat up too much of it. They are irrelevant on the internet. Cut them out of the equation.

If these dicks in here stop attacking my character and realize i am trying help show them that consumers and developers can both win by cutting out the 80% cost of publishing and distributing and drop the prices which will increase market share for the product...THEY MAKE MORE. The devs and consumers could even split the proportion of money taken out of Pubs and Dist. That money could go to the actual people making the media instead of the publishing company and the production companies.

What i mean by MNCs is exactly this. They middleman efforts made by real creators and suck money out. So much that almost every industry has its cartel.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Look at a library. Those books had thousands of hours of effort put into their writing and publication, but they are free at a store that is generally run by the local (city/county/state) government. Why can't movies be..., oh wait well then cds..., oh wait, or video games...dammit i'm way behind. All of your shit is free at the library. I guess the benefit is that we don't need that building anymore (well we do, but not for affluent nations) because we all have computers...pfft i knew there was an example out there in the world i've never been to.

Stealing requires, "permanently depriv[ing] the owner or the person with rightful possession of that property or its use." Copying is not stealing, although it is borderline, it doesn't fit the whole definition.

That analogy doesn't pan out though. Libraries aren't free; you already pay for it via local taxes. And when you borrow something from the library, you don't get to keep it forever; you have to return it after a certain amount of time. Even if you renew it repeatedly, if someone else places a hold on it, you no longer get to keep the materials. If you do, you start incurring fines, so you're paying for those materials (again). That's not free; it's just the cost is so minimal because it's spread out over a population rather than just absorbed by one person. But it's also not a viable alternative to people purchasing their own materials.

Most libraries also have strict policies regarding the copying of copyrighted material. The reason is simple; if people just copied books at their local libraries, the copywrite becomes less valuable, books become more expensive, the library can purchase fewer books, and everyone suffers. The same is true of any physical media, whether it's a CD, movie, video game, etc. Any time someone subverts copywrite for their own personal gain, they are simply passing on a marginal increase in price to all other legitimate consumers. Eventually someone has to pay for the collected work of authors, whether they're writing books, music, programs or films.

You are looking for a solution which allows you to have stuff without paying for it. That's all well and good for your personal greed, but you're either asking for other people to pay for things for you (as is the case with libraries) or asking the producers of the material to work for nothing. Neither of those is a viable alternative. You say that other people's greed is to blame; in reality, it is your own greed driving your argument (your unwillingness to spend your own money on items). It's nonsense.

 

[Em_ptySkin]

Bullshit - you are stealing from me. as the 3rd world becomes the first world they will crave what I sell. when all of china onlines as a middle class they will want american movies and they will want to experience them in a theater.

I have no worry about my industry going away. If we cant alter how the internet works then everything we make will be watermarked with advertising and you will pay anyhow.

Your petty hatred and close mindedness will never stop me and my ilk from undermining your efforts. We are anarchists.

😛

The third world has lived under western hegemony for long enough. and YOU of all people thinking that they will want anything from you but your property is funny. Cause your country can't pay them for all the trinkets, the blender, the cell phone, the tv, the babies toys, all of the clothes America wears, the food stamps, the bombs and armies...you will never get it.