Ex-Gitmo Detainee Details 7+ Year Detention, Torture, Under Bush Regime

[GarfieldtheCat]

Originally posted by: TechAZ
After reading this article I thought "there has to be reasons he was being held".....then I read the wikipedia articles on him and his associates. I can't blame the US for holding him for so long. That doesn't mean he was guilty of anything, just nothing could be DEFINITELY proved, but so many red flags and lets face it...investigating people from all over the world has got to take a long long time. It takes a long time to investigate someone within the U.S.

Also, just because a guy is released by a judge does not mean that what he was telling is the truth.

It takes 8 years? Really? Bosnia tried him, and found him innocent. We didn't like that, so we kidnapped him and locked him up for another 7+ years. Only after a long legal battle did they even get a US judge to look at his case, and he said there was no evidence. No evidence after 8 years! You are OK with this?

What happened to due process? Can we lock you up for 8 years with no trial while we investigate you?

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
So, wait...

- We forced him to sit up straight in his chair?
- We made him run alongside the guards for physical fitness?
- His handcuffs were a bit too tight sometimes?
- We forced him to eat through an IV when he tried to starve himself to death?

...and these things are considered "torture"? really?!?

While I'm adamantly opposed to genuine torture, such as waterboarding, the fact that the detainee, the moron OP, and some others here, believe that the above events are torture, is a fucking joke.

Seriously folks, if you want the government to take you seriously in your opposition to actual torture techniques, then you need to stop using the term wrongfully in cases such as this one. Based on the detainee's own description of events, he was NOT "tortured." If what was done to him is someday defined as torture, then every single prisoner in the US' correctional system has more than likely been "tortured" as well; which is fvcking ridiculous.

Now, as for the detainee's innocence, I can only say that the US government should certainly compensate him and his family for the lost seven years. That's the right thing to do, but it has nothing to do with "torture."

Pathetic. Read what happened to him.

Run along side the guards - Did you read the part where if he didn't keep up we was dragged across the ground. Do you like being dragged over dirt/rocky ground? Really?

Eat through an IV - Did you read the part when they shoved the IV liquid up his nose, and *not* his feeding tube? Did you read the part where when "starting an IV", they jabbed him multiple times for fun?

Do you, an innocent person, like being help down while someone pokes you with a needle a bunch of times, instead of just putting the needle in once? Really, you like all this stuff?

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: Nebor
This guy will be back fighting against us in Afghanistan within a month.

Good.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat
Pathetic. Read what happened to him.

Run along side the guards - Did you read the part where if he didn't keep up we was dragged across the ground. Do you like being dragged over dirt/rocky ground? Really?

Eat through an IV - Did you read the part when they shoved the IV liquid up his nose, and *not* his feeding tube? Did you read the part where when "starting an IV", they jabbed him multiple times for fun?

Do you, an innocent person, like being help down while someone pokes you with a needle a bunch of times, instead of just putting the needle in once? Really, you like all this stuff?

It was on the internet, in a news article, so it must be true.

This: the detainee's perceptions are his own reality.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat
Pathetic. Read what happened to him.

Run along side the guards - Did you read the part where if he didn't keep up we was dragged across the ground. Do you like being dragged over dirt/rocky ground? Really?

Eat through an IV - Did you read the part when they shoved the IV liquid up his nose, and *not* his feeding tube? Did you read the part where when "starting an IV", they jabbed him multiple times for fun?

Do you, an innocent person, like being help down while someone pokes you with a needle a bunch of times, instead of just putting the needle in once? Really, you like all this stuff?

It was on the internet, in a news article, so it must be true.

This: the detainee's perceptions are his own reality.

How are his perceptions different from yours? I can think of one big difference - he was there and you are commenting on a news article on the internet.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: spidey07
This just in - I don't believe liars. Especially when it's the new york slimes reporting it. Every criminal thinks they are innocent.

And LOL! at "they lifted me by my arm pits!!!" Yeah, get up when you are told prisoner or we wouldn't have to do that. Oh the huge manity!

Again, did you see where a US Federal judge said there was no evidence? The judge says there is no reason to hold him.

And did you also read the part where they intentionally stuck him with needles?

You are a troll. Or disgusting human being. Or maybe both. Take your pick.

Sorry I did go a little overboard.

But if you cannot see that this guy has a very strong motive to make stuff up then you're blind. All these descriptions of "they tortured me!" just sounds like they were dealing with an unruly and uncooperative prisoner. Not to mention the article is just dripping with new york times icky slime.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: spidey07
This just in - I don't believe liars. Especially when it's the new york slimes reporting it. Every criminal thinks they are innocent.

And LOL! at "they lifted me by my arm pits!!!" Yeah, get up when you are told prisoner or we wouldn't have to do that. Oh the huge manity!

Again, did you see where a US Federal judge said there was no evidence? The judge says there is no reason to hold him.

And did you also read the part where they intentionally stuck him with needles?

You are a troll. Or disgusting human being. Or maybe both. Take your pick.

Sorry I did go a little overboard.

But if you cannot see that this guy has a very strong motive to make stuff up then you're blind. All these descriptions of "they tortured me!" just sounds like they were dealing with an unruly and uncooperative prisoner. Not to mention the article is just dripping with new york times icky slime.

Really? Intentionally sticking a bound person with a needle for fun? That's your idea of dealing with a prisoner? Really? If that happened in a US prison, do you think the guards would be arrested? I certainly think so.

Why shouldn't I believe this guy? Everyone has said he's innocent, he didn't lie about that. Our government lied about it, not him. So frankly, in cases like this, why don't you believe him? He's been telling the truth so far, and our government has been lying their ass off to abuse and detain this guy for 8 years. He may be exaggerating a bit, but I still lean more to his side considering what is going on. Certainly if it is true, the government will deny it all anyway.

It's like hearing the police deny that they beat up some random guy, saying it's "resisting arrest". Then a video comes out showing the police is lying. Oops, the police story changes. You see this happen enough times, and you don't believe the police any more.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat
Pathetic. Read what happened to him.

Run along side the guards - Did you read the part where if he didn't keep up we was dragged across the ground. Do you like being dragged over dirt/rocky ground? Really?

Eat through an IV - Did you read the part when they shoved the IV liquid up his nose, and *not* his feeding tube? Did you read the part where when "starting an IV", they jabbed him multiple times for fun?

Do you, an innocent person, like being help down while someone pokes you with a needle a bunch of times, instead of just putting the needle in once? Really, you like all this stuff?

It was on the internet, in a news article, so it must be true.

This: the detainee's perceptions are his own reality.

So basically you deny everything and say it didn't happen. Way to go.

 

[TheSkinsFan]

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan

Originally posted by: GarfieldtheCat
Pathetic. Read what happened to him.

Run along side the guards - Did you read the part where if he didn't keep up we was dragged across the ground. Do you like being dragged over dirt/rocky ground? Really?

Eat through an IV - Did you read the part when they shoved the IV liquid up his nose, and *not* his feeding tube? Did you read the part where when "starting an IV", they jabbed him multiple times for fun?

Do you, an innocent person, like being help down while someone pokes you with a needle a bunch of times, instead of just putting the needle in once? Really, you like all this stuff?

It was on the internet, in a news article, so it must be true.

This: the detainee's perceptions are his own reality.

So basically you deny everything and say it didn't happen. Way to go.

Ummm, no. That's not what I said slick.

What I am saying is that people should not be so quick to believe everything the former detainee says simply because it fits their "GiTMO-oMg-T0rture!!!11" misconceptions.

You need to realize that this detainee's perceptions are his own version of reality. His testimony may be firsthand, but it's certainly not without bias. It's all about perspective.

For instance, what may have felt like torture to the detainee himself, might simply have been a few young medics trying to stick an IV into an uncooperative detainee. Even on a cooperative patient, I have personally missed as many as three or four times trying to stick an IV. Has your experience with IV's been different? Have you ever tried to stick a feeding tube up the nasal passage of a conscious patient? How about an uncooperative prisoner who is trying to starve himself to death?

The bottom line is that neither you or I were there, so our own assumptions must be kept in check, and we should take everything the detainee alleges with a grain of salt. If you added that grain of salt to any of your posts, then perhaps I'd more respect your opinions on the subject.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
So, wait...

- We forced him to sit up straight in his chair?
- We made him run alongside the guards for physical fitness?
- His handcuffs were a bit too tight sometimes?
- We forced him to eat through an IV when he tried to starve himself to death?

...and these things are considered "torture"? really?!?

While I'm adamantly opposed to genuine torture, such as waterboarding, the fact that the detainee, the moron OP, and some others here, believe that the above events are torture, is a fucking joke.

No, it makes you a fucking moron because you don't think that dragging someone is torture, or depriving them of sleep. Can't believe you are in some sort of medical profession with this bad of a reading comprehension.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Nebor
This guy will be back fighting against us in Afghanistan within a month.

Good.

So you're rooting against your own country's armed forces? What a great American you are.

I was being sarcastic anyway, this guy was an Algerian living in Bosnia. He had nothing to do with terrorism.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Nebor
This guy will be back fighting against us in Afghanistan within a month.

Good.

So you're rooting against your own country's armed forces? What a great American you are.

Why not? It was the American military that did this to him.

 

[GoPackGo]

I don't buy his story.

16 days with no sleep? umm right.

 

[thraashman]

It's stuff like this that makes me think that our system of government has failed miserably. And I truly hate people that support the government outright when they are violent and fascist. Especially when I see these same people cry to kill the president and call him a socialist when he wants to help people.

I don't like to think that becoming a Republican makes you evil .... maybe it's just that being evil makes you want to be a Republican. I mean ... seriously, does basic human decency have any influence on you people?