He doesn't totally suck, and he's not totally wrong, but he does need to be summarily silenced. He's crying fire in in the laboratory where genetic engineering will find repairs for his defects.
Evolution isn't a religion. I don't understand what you are trying to say. Science uses physical evidence to back up its findings. Religions are largely concocted like fiction.
It's not that science is my religion, I have accepted that I simply don't know the answers. I don't know why we exist, I don't if there is a god, I don't know what happens when we die. I do know that humans evolved from lower forms of life however, there is scientific evidence to back this up. There is no evidence supporting creationism or any of the stories involved in any religion.
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Hahaha! Exactly! My brother said that at least 3/4 of the students don't even speak English and the teachers can't even comunicate with them. Those students don't have to do the normal work the other studends have to do. The teachers just say 'do what you understand'. The students that can't speak English pretty much automatically pass their classes even without doing the work. It's total @#$#@$ bull****! My brother is struggling to pass his classes, just barely passing, while the students that can't speak English get a free-ride.
I think something really needs to be done about this. More than half the students can't speak English, And nearly all of the teachers can't speak Spanish. So the non-English speaking students get a free-ride. That is totally screwed up.
I don't know, I think it should be mandatory that the studends can speak fluent English if they are going to goto school here. Some might say that is unfair.. but is it fair that those students get a free-ride while my brother is struggling?
Sorry Moonie, you heard Georgia's Officials, Darwin never existed so you can't have Darwin Awards.
2-1-2004 Georgia Governor says 'Evolution' Should Stay
"If you're going to teach evolution, you ought to call it evolution," Perdue told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. "By that I mean, there ought to be a balance. Evolution, as I understand it, is an academic theory. I think it should be taught as academic theory."
"The name is what it is, and we should call it that," Perdue said. "I think that Superintendent Cox ... will listen to the people on these proposals. In this business you don't get the privilege of thinking out loud. And I think Superintendent Cox was thinking out loud."
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Funny when Donna saw the News she said OMG that's Kathy. Donna used to work with Kathy 5 years ago. I thought she looked familiar.
"If you're going to teach evolution, you ought to call it evolution," Perdue told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. "By that I mean, there ought to be a balance. Evolution, as I understand it, is an academic theory. I think it should be taught as academic theory."
"The name is what it is, and we should call it that," Perdue said. "I think that Superintendent Cox ... will listen to the people on these proposals. In this business you don't get the privilege of thinking out loud. And I think Superintendent Cox was thinking out loud."
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Funny when Donna saw the News she said OMG that's Kathy. Donna used to work with Kathy 5 years ago. I thought she looked familiar.
i dont have an argument. please do explain. im really fascinated how some people seem to believe that single celled organisms + lots of time = evolution into a sentinent life form. im also really fascinated that some people seem to believe that mankind has evolved from primates [which evolved from single celled organisms]
thinking that it was evolution brought us to our current stage in life is just as ignorant as trying to use the big bang to explain how the universe was created.
In your case they didn't.
We cannot explain to someone who chooses to remain ignorant. The science is there for those who do not. For you, science is black magic. The world is flat. The sun revolves around Earth, drawn by magic horses across the heavens. Ignorance is bliss. You are way too happy.
A list of the omissions from the American Association for the Advancement for Science standards that Cox is trying to make.
SKIPPED STANDARDS
Georgia copied almost all the biology standards developed by the American Association for the Advancement for Science. These sections related to evolution were left out of the state's proposed curriculum:
Introduction that was omitted
"History should not be overlooked. Learning about Charles Darwin and what led him to the concept of evolution illustrates the interacting roles of evidence and theory in scientific inquiry. Moreover, the concept of evolution provided a framework for organizing new as well as "old" biological knowledge into a coherent picture of life forms."
Points that were omitted
> The basic idea of biological evolution is that the Earth's present-day species developed from earlier, distinctly different species.
> Molecular evidence substantiates the anatomical evidence for evolution and provides additional detail about the sequence in which various lines of descent branched off from one another.
> Natural selection provides the following mechanism for evolution: Some variation in heritable characteristics exists within every species; some of these characteristics give individuals an advantage over others in surviving and reproducing; and the advantaged offspring, in turn, are more likely than others to survive and reproduce.
> The theory of natural selection provides a scientific explanation for the history of life on Earth as depicted in the fossil record and in the similarities evident within the diversity of existing organisms.
> Life on Earth is thought to have begun as simple, one-celled organisms about 4 billion years ago. During the first 2 billion years, only single-cell microorganisms existed, but once cells with nuclei developed about a billion years ago, increasingly complex multicellular organisms evolved.
> Evolution builds on what already exists, so the more variety there is, the more there can be in the future. But evolution does not necessitate long-term progress in some set direction. Evolutionary changes appear to be like the growth of a bush: Some branches survive from the beginning with little or no change, many die out altogether, and others branch repeatedly, sometimes giving rise to more complex organisms.
SKIPPED STANDARDS
Georgia copied almost all the biology standards developed by the American Association for the Advancement for Science. These sections related to evolution were left out of the state's proposed curriculum:
Introduction that was omitted
"History should not be overlooked. Learning about Charles Darwin and what led him to the concept of evolution illustrates the interacting roles of evidence and theory in scientific inquiry. Moreover, the concept of evolution provided a framework for organizing new as well as "old" biological knowledge into a coherent picture of life forms."
Points that were omitted
> The basic idea of biological evolution is that the Earth's present-day species developed from earlier, distinctly different species.
> Molecular evidence substantiates the anatomical evidence for evolution and provides additional detail about the sequence in which various lines of descent branched off from one another.
> Natural selection provides the following mechanism for evolution: Some variation in heritable characteristics exists within every species; some of these characteristics give individuals an advantage over others in surviving and reproducing; and the advantaged offspring, in turn, are more likely than others to survive and reproduce.
> The theory of natural selection provides a scientific explanation for the history of life on Earth as depicted in the fossil record and in the similarities evident within the diversity of existing organisms.
> Life on Earth is thought to have begun as simple, one-celled organisms about 4 billion years ago. During the first 2 billion years, only single-cell microorganisms existed, but once cells with nuclei developed about a billion years ago, increasingly complex multicellular organisms evolved.
> Evolution builds on what already exists, so the more variety there is, the more there can be in the future. But evolution does not necessitate long-term progress in some set direction. Evolutionary changes appear to be like the growth of a bush: Some branches survive from the beginning with little or no change, many die out altogether, and others branch repeatedly, sometimes giving rise to more complex organisms.
"i dont have an argument. please do explain. im really fascinated how some people seem to believe that single celled organisms + lots of time = evolution into a sentinent life form. im also really fascinated that some people seem to believe that mankind has evolved from primates [which evolved from single celled organisms]
thinking that it was evolution brought us to our current stage in life is just as ignorant as trying to use the big bang to explain how the universe was created."
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They don't believe it in the way you believe what you believe. Your belief is what you were taught to believe by people who were taught to believe it so many times it's like playing telephone where whispers go round a table. The two theories you can't believe people believe are taught by people some of whom have checked and looked at evidence. The theory is the best guess that fits the evidence that anybody can go and check. All this looking and checking has led to a consensus that stood up to the most best learned minds. If aliens land tomorrow and tell us they manipulated the data and created us themselves, the scientists will look and the data and if convincing change their minds. You, however, will continue to think the same. That's because you were programmed to receive at Hotel California and can never leave.
thinking that it was evolution brought us to our current stage in life is just as ignorant as trying to use the big bang to explain how the universe was created."
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They don't believe it in the way you believe what you believe. Your belief is what you were taught to believe by people who were taught to believe it so many times it's like playing telephone where whispers go round a table. The two theories you can't believe people believe are taught by people some of whom have checked and looked at evidence. The theory is the best guess that fits the evidence that anybody can go and check. All this looking and checking has led to a consensus that stood up to the most best learned minds. If aliens land tomorrow and tell us they manipulated the data and created us themselves, the scientists will look and the data and if convincing change their minds. You, however, will continue to think the same. That's because you were programmed to receive at Hotel California and can never leave.
I wrote Kathy a nice little e-mail. I'm sure I won't get a response, because like Genesys, her vacant cranium can't grasp basic 21st century concepts. If you visit her site, you can see her hard at work, crafting yet another generation of ignorant morons.
kage69
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I shouldn't have to explain anything, it's right there in front of you, but due to your comprehension difficulties, I shall indulge you. Your 'argument' is that creationism and the theory of evolution are on some kind of equal playing field as far as supporting evidence is concerned. You are comparing a simple story to mountains of documented and verifiable research and saying they are equal in merit. This ignorance is the hallmark of religious sheep like yourself. You know absolutely nothing about evolution, but that doesn't stop you from trying to bash it as it runs contrary to your religious agenda. Do you really think anyone is going to take you seriously?
I find it amusing, nay, hilarious, that you can be that incredulous over key points in evolution, but yet seem to happily swallow the whoppers your religion tries to sell people.
Organized religion sells vanity and ignorance, and you're buying wholesale.
HeroOfPellinor
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Mountains of documented research proving evolution? Now who's believing in fairy tales?
Aside from my faith, I believe in Creationism because it's the only answer that remotely makes sense. We have ZERO evidence of evolution...it's just as much speculation as Creationism except that is makes no sense.
It's a bit scary that you guys didn't bother questioning your teachers, but, rather, just swallowed the hook, line, and reel. Too intellectually insecure to question an authority figure? Understandable since you were just kids...but that doesn't mean you have to spend the rest of your life as an automoton. Think for yourselves.
If anything modern science disproves evolution. All the information for the development of an organism was already encoded in the DNA of its parents, so when does the evolution occur? (Somebody PLEASE say mutation) Secondly, the theory of evolution is in opposition to the unquestioned second law of thermaldynamics as Aldous Huxley says evolution involves a continual increase of order.
And now we don't have a slow gradual change, we have sudden jumps which propel evolution along according to the new theory. Why? Not enough scientific evidence to support a gradual change? Hey, eliminate all but one jump and suddenly you're all Creationists.
kage69
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Maybe if all of the research the scientific community has produced, revised, and published were presented to you in a nice, easy-to-swallow story (complete with angels, magic, and demons) you think otherwise. Naaaah, you've already made up your mind you're to good to have evolved from primates. It appears you and Genesys shop from the same store.
Quite possibly the most backward thinking I have witnessed on this board yet. Congrats HoP. Intellectual bankruptcy at it's finest!
Coming from a christian, FUNNIEST. PARAGRAPH. EVAR. This is where moon steps in with a comment about a mirror I think...
You support creationism, yet label us as "swallowing the hook, line, and the reel" ? Do you get your pants hemmed professionally? You must, WITH BALLS THAT BIG. Watch out Genesys, you've got competition for Most Vocal Ram of the Flock.
*sigh* Just another zealot, move along, nothing to see here...
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Mountains of documented research proving evolution? Now who's believing in fairy tales?
Aside from my faith, I believe in Creationism because it's the only answer that remotely makes sense. We have ZERO evidence of evolution...it's just as much speculation as Creationism except that is makes no sense.
It's a bit scary that you guys didn't bother questioning your teachers, but, rather, just swallowed the hook, line, and reel. Too intellectually insecure to question an authority figure? Understandable since you were just kids...but that doesn't mean you have to spend the rest of your life as an automoton. Think for yourselves.
If anything modern science disproves evolution. All the information for the development of an organism was already encoded in the DNA of its parents, so when does the evolution occur? (Somebody PLEASE say mutation) Secondly, the theory of evolution is in opposition to the unquestioned second law of thermaldynamics as Aldous Huxley says evolution involves a continual increase of order.
And now we don't have a slow gradual change, we have sudden jumps which propel evolution along according to the new theory. Why? Not enough scientific evidence to support a gradual change? Hey, eliminate all but one jump and suddenly you're all Creationists.
Are you from Georgia HoP?
Would it be too much to ask to teach both, as theories, and let the children decide? Isn't that what learning is about?
To those who are discounting evolution for creationism: You obviously cannot "prove" either theory, so you are chosing one based on faith and discounting the other based on biased science based on faith.
To those who are discounting evolution for creationism: Once again, you obviously cannot "prove" either theory, and you are discounting one that is based on faith without any proof to the contrary (evidence != proof). And your "bible-thumper" insults are quite elitist and uneccessary.
Perhaps evolution IS creationism? 7 god days = 7 billion years?
Isn't that what learning is about?To those who are discounting evolution for creationism: You obviously cannot "prove" either theory, so you are chosing one based on faith and discounting the other based on biased science based on faith.
To those who are discounting evolution for creationism: Once again, you obviously cannot "prove" either theory, and you are discounting one that is based on faith without any proof to the contrary (evidence != proof). And your "bible-thumper" insults are quite elitist and uneccessary.
Perhaps evolution IS creationism? 7 god days = 7 billion years?
HeroOfPellinor
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Australopithecus died for you.
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And as fate would have it, apparently in Georga:
Homo georgicus
This species was named in 2002 to contain fossils found in Dmanisi, Georgia, which seem intermediate between H. habilis and H. erectus. The fossils are about 1.8 million years old, consisting of three partial skulls and three lower jaws. The brain sizes of the skulls vary from 600 to 680 cc. The height, as estimated from a foot bone, would have been about 1.5 m (4'11"). A partial skeleton was also discovered in 2001 but no details are available on it yet. (Vekua et al. 2002, Gabunia et al. 2002) The cranial demensions resemble those of modern day American Georgians, Homo imbicilicus.
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And as fate would have it, apparently in Georga:
Homo georgicus
This species was named in 2002 to contain fossils found in Dmanisi, Georgia, which seem intermediate between H. habilis and H. erectus. The fossils are about 1.8 million years old, consisting of three partial skulls and three lower jaws. The brain sizes of the skulls vary from 600 to 680 cc. The height, as estimated from a foot bone, would have been about 1.5 m (4'11"). A partial skeleton was also discovered in 2001 but no details are available on it yet. (Vekua et al. 2002, Gabunia et al. 2002) The cranial demensions resemble those of modern day American Georgians, Homo imbicilicus.
HoP, you suck at links.
I think the confusion comes in when defining the system. IIRC the law of entropy states that order tends towards disorder, in a closed system. In this case, the earth is not a closed system, it is part of the greater universe. The argument of entropy as a disproving of evolution only holds if you consider the earth as a closed system. In this case, the path of evolution may tend towards more complex life forms (as humans become more complex from their conception to birth, birth to adulthood), or order, while the disorder in the greater universe increases.
But that's just off the top of my head.
I think the confusion comes in when defining the system. IIRC the law of entropy states that order tends towards disorder, in a closed system. In this case, the earth is not a closed system, it is part of the greater universe. The argument of entropy as a disproving of evolution only holds if you consider the earth as a closed system. In this case, the path of evolution may tend towards more complex life forms (as humans become more complex from their conception to birth, birth to adulthood), or order, while the disorder in the greater universe increases.
But that's just off the top of my head.
HeroOfPellinor
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