Evolution:4-10-04 Evolution theory is rooted in the religion of atheism

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
They did a more detailed report in this evenings News. Also stripped from the Science Cirriculum:
The planet does not have Tectonic plates and they never shifted, that we always had these separate Continents, that God placed it this way.

WTF!? I live on the west coast, and I'm telling you: there are plates that are moving.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
They did a more detailed report in this evenings News. Also stripped from the Science Cirriculum:
The planet does not have Tectonic plates and they never shifted, that we always had these separate Continents, that God placed it this way.

WTF!? I live on the west coast, and I'm telling you: there are plates that are moving.

That's just penguins doing the Electric Slide. Now go back to reading your Bible.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: calbear2000

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: calbear2000

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: calbear2000

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: calbear2000
Hero,
Do you reject Microevolutionary theory?

I think almost everyone (regardless of whether they subscribe to intelligent design, Darwinism, or Creationism) all can accept microevolution as fact...

Of course.

But you still think the evolutionary process shouldn't be taught in schools??

Or you're just against evolution being taught as an explanation for human existence?

Bingo.

This sure didn't sound like your stance from your posts
"I'm calling it a theory. I'm also calling evolution a theory. Neither has any place in a science classroom"

The thread was about macroevolution, so I used evolution in that context. Are you saying you don't believe in the "creation" of anything. What about a cake? Can that be "created".

Actually the thread was originally about schools in Georgia... if you read the article posted

"If Georgia approves the revised curriculum, the state will be among six that avoid the word "evolution" in science teaching"

Doesn't sound like they're even talking about the creation of the universe to me. Sounds more like education of Darwin's finches in Galapagos.

Has anyone been able to come up with the other 5 States that have banned Science and said teach God only?

This has got to be in reaction to the Courts telling these people that God is illegal and does not exist.

Edit: Oh forgot to mention they will be teaching Muslim in place of Science too. They want to be Polictically correct in being fair to all of Gods children. I don't have a link yet but they said it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
They did a more detailed report in this evenings News. Also stripped from the Science Cirriculum:

NO such thing as the Big Bang Theory, God just placed everything as it is.

The planet does not have Tectonic plates and they never shifted, that we always had these separate Continents, that God placed it this way.

"If you're teaching the concept without the word, what's the point?" said Rep. Bobby Franklin, R-Marietta, easily one of the legislature's most socially conservative members. "It's stupid. It's like teaching gravity without using the word 'gravity.' "

WTF?

Both universal expansion and tectonics are well established facts.

Can't wait to see how they are explained away here.

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: chess9
Genysis: I was referring to your post about mathematics and science, not your subsequent post. If I offended you, I'm sorry, but if you are going to wrestle varsity you gotta' put on a little more muscle.

--Robert

eh? wtf are you talking about?

i was referring to my first post, where i explained [rather half assedly] about how ideas start out as a hypothesis and progress towords being called a law. i never mentioned mathematics in that post.
also, i was not talking about my second post where i referred to geometric proofs.

and no, i wasnt offended, it takes a lot to offend me [goatse does a good job of offending me]

bah, ive got plenty of muscle, however debateing [or argueing] is a lot different when done over the net.



anyway, has anyone ever read the book called 'Evolution of a Creationist'? its a pretty good read [a little watered down for those that know about the Evolution vs Creationism argument, but still a good read]

Here it is

i think thats the whole book, ive got a heard cop, but I believe thats an online copy.

 

[Moonbeam]

Edit: Oh forgot to mention they will be teaching Muslim in place of Science too. They want to be Polictically correct in being fair to all of Gods children. I don't have a link yet but they said it.
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Didn't they also ban the use of toilet paper as anti-Biblical?

 

[Zephyr106]

a bit of a conspiricy theorist are we? iv'e seen no religion that is trying to censor science.

LOL how about the Creationists attempting to remove evolution from school cirriculums? Evolution is a scientific theory (fact..?) with LOTS of supporting evidence, Creationism has about as much supporting evidence as Greek Mythology. You know, lots of respected religious people of earlier times disregarded scientific facts, such as Martin Luther who died believing the world was flat.... after Christopher Columbus discovered N. America. There's still time for you to change your beliefs.

Zephyr

 

[Zephyr106]

The planet does not have Tectonic plates and they never shifted, that we always had these separate Continents, that God placed it this way.

Ah yes, these seperated continents are the divine reason why the races should be seperated, and the reason that interracial marriage is a sin.

Zephyr

 

[Kalmah]

That doesn't surprise me any. The only thing my Brother's school is worried about is the dress code. He got sent home from school last week because 'he was wearing the wrong shade of red'. Apparently 'dark red' isn't red. They also put him in detention for a week. It happened to be the first week of his band class too. Now he's back in it and is the only student in that class that can't play his instrument.

Then some time after that. He borrowed a pen from a teacher without asking so he could take a test. About half way through the test the teacher noticed he was using her pen and took it away from him. Then he wasn't allowed to finish his test because of 'stealing'. Apparently the teacher's pen is more important to her than my brothers education.

My brother didn't know one thing about gangs before he started school here. After the first week of school they tought him gang names, gang signs, symbols and colors. Now he knows everything about them. (so the kids know what type of stuff they can't wear or do) The kids walk around school making gang signs with their hands because they think it is a little game now according to my brother. And now they have certain 'groups' of kids who use one gang sign and certain 'groups' of kids who use another.. And if you get cought using one 'groups' gangsign without permission they start a fight with you. hahahahaha

Such a wonderful school this is. And this is just the tip of the iceberg..

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Dman877
"Religion is the opiate of the masses." Marx

Look what religion has done in the middle east.

Look at what humanism has done to America. You need two dead bolts on your door, an alarm on your car, kids are having sex parties in junior high, stds and drugs are worse than ever. Oh, but MAN, don't you DARE suggest there's a God frowning upon all of this...that would make me feel bad and I hate that.

your pretending crime hasn't dropped. your ideas aren't based on fact, nostolgia is blinding. your safer in todays america then ever. in the past, unless you were rich, life was brutish, nasty and short.

and i don't even need to bring up righteous religious people beating their N8*ggers do i?

You're saying that only righteous religeous people beat slaves?

no, but your saying that it was secular people who are causing the downfall of society. so it must have been secular people beating slaves, promoting racism, and oppressing women. oh wait..... it was in large part religious people, with religious justifications, whether it was ordained by god that they were superior, or that blacks were people of kain and other assorted nonsense. oppression of women was justified by many through religion too as it still is today. actually religion was actually in many US public school textbooks of the past , the catholics were described in less then wonderful terms, and only after catholic riots over the issue were they removed. don't pretend the past was wonderful.


do you even know what secular humanism is?

 

[0roo0roo]

a little more of our glorious past i guess its true about how one repeating mistakes of the past if one is ignorant of history.

http://candst.tripod.com/boston3.htm

When Christians Killed Each Other Over Religion in Public Schools



On a warm spring day more than 150 years ago George Schiffler died on a street in Philadelphia. Though history didn't record much about the 18-year-old, except that he was a "leather worker," it does tell a great deal about the circumstances surrounding his death. Young Schiffler was the first to die as rampaging mobs of Roman Catholics and Protestants shot, clubbed, and otherwise attacked one another in what was known as the "Philadelphia Bible Riots."

Interestingly enough, the issue that incited the violence remains controversial even today, and that is religion in public schools.

In fact, the parallels between the rhetoric of nineteenth-century America's Protestant majority and today's Religious Right are startling. As Roman Catholics and Protestants battled more than a century ago over prayer and Bible reading in public schools, Protestants relied on the same arguments uttered by modern-day TV preachers: Protestant practices in public schools were "traditional"; those who don't like the exercises could get up and leave the room; a little religion never hurt anyone; and finally, Protestants were the majority and should have the right to do whatever they wanted.

Like the modern Religious Right, ultraconservative Protestant leaders of the nineteenth century insisted the United States was a "Christian nation." Only one catch: by "Christian" they really meant "Protestant."

Against this backdrop tensions over religious activity in the city's public schools rose. Pennsylvania's public schools reflected generic Protestantism. The school day began with the recitation of the Lord's Prayer, readings from the King James Version of the Bible, and often group singing of Protestant hymns. In addition, the Bible was frequently used as a textbook in spelling classes and to teach other secular subjects.

Bible reading occurred "without comment." The teacher simply read a set number of verses - usually 10 - without elaborating or interpreting them. Most Protestant groups found the practice acceptable, because it echoed their own theology. But Catholics - who look to church leaders to interpret the Scripture - considered the practice alien and heretical.

As the Catholic population increased, the Protestant majority decided to draw a line in the sand at the public school door. In 1838 the state legislature passed a law mandating that the Bible - and by that everyone knew they meant the King James Version - be used as a public school textbook. The new law was a deliberate slap in the face to Catholics, because it was unnecessary: public schools all over the state were already relying on the King James Bible for daily instruction.

Also, some textbooks had a clear anti-Catholic bias. One even referred to the pope as the anti-Christ. Catholic clergy finally began planning a protest.

............

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: Zephyr106

a bit of a conspiricy theorist are we? iv'e seen no religion that is trying to censor science.

LOL how about the Creationists attempting to remove evolution from school cirriculums? Evolution is a scientific theory (fact..?) with LOTS of supporting evidence, Creationism has about as much supporting evidence as Greek Mythology. You know, lots of respected religious people of earlier times disregarded scientific facts, such as Martin Luther who died believing the world was flat.... after Christopher Columbus discovered N. America. There's still time for you to change your beliefs.

Zephyr

HAH! I cant believe that you just said that, and took yourself seriously! Here, let me quote it again!

Evolution is a scientific theory (fact..?) with LOTS of supporting evidence, Creationism has about as much supporting evidence as Greek Mythology.

Wow. Well, you got it right at first, Evolution is just a theorey. And yeah, Evolution has as much supporting evidence as Creationism does. Both have a lot of nothing on their side. Although I like to believe that mankind [as well as everything in this universe] was created, and that there are certian things that always have been and always will be.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: Zephyr106

a bit of a conspiricy theorist are we? iv'e seen no religion that is trying to censor science.

LOL how about the Creationists attempting to remove evolution from school cirriculums? Evolution is a scientific theory (fact..?) with LOTS of supporting evidence, Creationism has about as much supporting evidence as Greek Mythology. You know, lots of respected religious people of earlier times disregarded scientific facts, such as Martin Luther who died believing the world was flat.... after Christopher Columbus discovered N. America. There's still time for you to change your beliefs.

Zephyr

HAH! I cant believe that you just said that, and took yourself seriously! Here, let me quote it again!

Evolution is a scientific theory (fact..?) with LOTS of supporting evidence, Creationism has about as much supporting evidence as Greek Mythology.

Wow. Well, you got it right at first, Evolution is just a theorey. And yeah, Evolution has as much supporting evidence as Creationism does. Both have a lot of nothing on their side. Although I like to believe that mankind [as well as everything in this universe] was created, and that there are certian things that always have been and always will be.

The only supporting evidence for Creationism is a book written by a bunch of ancient supersticious Sheep Herders who were afraid of their own shadows and spent as much time buggering each other as they did ther Herd.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Kalmah
That doesn't surprise me any. The only thing my Brother's school is worried about is the dress code. He got sent home from school last week because 'he was wearing the wrong shade of red'. Apparently 'dark red' isn't red. They also put him in detention for a week. It happened to be the first week of his band class too. Now he's back in it and is the only student in that class that can't play his instrument.

Then some time after that. He borrowed a pen from a teacher without asking so he could take a test. About half way through the test the teacher noticed he was using her pen and took it away from him. Then he wasn't allowed to finish his test because of 'stealing'. Apparently the teacher's pen is more important to her than my brothers education.

My brother didn't know one thing about gangs before he started school here. After the first week of school they tought him gang names, gang signs, symbols and colors. Now he knows everything about them. (so the kids know what type of stuff they can't wear or do) The kids walk around school making gang signs with their hands because they think it is a little game now according to my brother. And now they have certain 'groups' of kids who use one gang sign and certain 'groups' of kids who use another.. And if you get cought using one 'groups' gangsign without permission they start a fight with you. hahahahaha

Such a wonderful school this is. And this is just the tip of the iceberg..

Sounds like you live here. You forgot to mention that when your child comes home your Mom yells at them to speak English in the house and your child says but Mom we only speak spanish at school.

 

[kage69]

Wow. Well, you got it right at first, Evolution is just a theorey. And yeah, Evolution has as much supporting evidence as Creationism does. Both have a lot of nothing on their side. Although I like to believe that mankind [as well as everything in this universe] was created, and that there are certian things that always have been and always will be.

Please, before coming into a thread of this nature and spouting off with such ignorant drivel, try to obtain and understanding of evolution that doesn't come from a church-related source. It is abundantly clear you know NOTHING about the theory of evolution. :disgust:

 

[Zephyr106]

Wow. Well, you got it right at first, Evolution is just a theorey. And yeah, Evolution has as much supporting evidence as Creationism does. Both have a lot of nothing on their side. Although I like to believe that mankind [as well as everything in this universe] was created, and that there are certian things that always have been and always will be.

The above is an example of the kind of knowledge future Georgians will have if Georgia removes aspects of science of its cirriculum.

Zephyr

 

[dmcowen674]

All over the News now:

1-30-2004 Ga. Official Wants to Replace 'Evolution'

"Here we are, saying we have to improve standards and improve education, and we're just throwing a bone to the conservatives with total disregard to what scientists say," said state Rep. Bob Holmes, a Democrat.

Former President Jimmy Carter had harsh words for the change on Friday, calling it an embarrassment and saying it exposes the state to nationwide ridicule.

"As a Christian, a trained engineer and scientist, and a professor at Emory University, I am embarrassed by Superintendent Kathy Cox's attempt to censor and distort the education of Georgia's students," Carter said in a statement.

Carter, a Baptist, said that existing references to evolution in Georgia's curriculum have done nothing to damage religious faith in the state.

Cox spokesman Kirk Englehardt said the superintendent was reviewing Carter's statement Friday morning and did not have an immediate response.

 

[Moonbeam]

Fundamentalist Christian attempts to institutionalize ignorance in the public sector is a dangerous trend that may require the treatment of that brand of stupidity as a social cancer that needs to be physically excized from the culture like racism and sexism and communism and other retrograde virii. We should maybe require a detailed test on evolutionary theory as truth and Creationism as hog wash in order to pass each grade after third. People get tired of being dragged down by morons, right? The answer to people who are absolutely right is to make them absolutely wrong. Fair's fair.

 

[DealMonkey]

*Sigh* Not Georgia, *again* . . . Anyway, I'm kind of jumping in the middle of this, but the GA (and other state) case(s) smack of a not-so-subtle attempt to proselytize in the classroom and spread the "good word of Jesus." Damn, what is it about Christians that they have to go around forcing their nonsense on everyone around them? BELIEVE what you want to believe good Christians, but please don't bother trying to convince me that creationism is a theory and that it has as much evidence backing it as evolution. Cite some evidence right now or STFU.

 

[exp]

Evolution is just a theorey

Many people still seem confused by how some scientific terminology (law vs. theory vs. hypothesis) differs from lay usage. Here's some further explanation (for those of you who, for whatever reason, did not read the Gould quote posted earlier) of why the semantical "just a theory" claims of Creationists are utterly meaningless:

The important thing to remember is that when it comes to major fields of human study such as evolution, there is no level of certainty above the scientific term "theory". "Law" and "theory" are two completely separate concepts, each useful in a different situation, so contrary to popular belief theories do not typically graduate to lawhood once a sufficient weight of evidence has been gathered. Evolution is--and probably always will be--"only a theory" because the complexities it seeks to explain cannot be encapsulated in the form of a concise logical proof (or mathematical formula). This is not an indictment against the factuality of evolution, but rather an acknowledgment that we are dealing with a broad, complex subject matter that is inherently unsuited for condensation into lawhood.

In fact, on the whole--and in sharp contrast to fields like physics and chemistry--the very nature of the biological sciences has always defied description via laws, and I would even go so far as to question whether the few existing biological laws (e.g. Mendel's Law of Segregation) deserve their status. Since biologists generally work at a level above the most fundamental features of nature studied by physicists and chemists, their subject matter--however factual--does not lend itself well to the formulation of laws (simply put, there are too many variables to factor in). So even though the basic *existence* of evolution is indisputable, its very *nature* makes lawhood virtually impossible.

 

[DealMonkey]

Wow, those poor ignorant bastards. While Georgia High School students rank 50th in SAT scores against other states in the nation in both 2002 and 2003, Ms. Cox finds it necessary to pander to the religious extremists over something as petty as the word "evolution."

Georgia's high school class of 2003 ranked 50th in the nation in SAT scores, following in the footsteps of the class of 2002. Once again, Georgia's scores were ahead of only Washington, D.C. The state ranked 14th in the number of students tested, with 66 percent of graduating seniors taking the exam. The number of test-takers is said to impact scores ? the more students tested, in general, the lower the scores. But even among states that tested many students, including Virginia, North Carolina and Florida, Georgia ranks at the bottom.

"The results are disappointing," said State Superintendent of Schools Kathy Cox. "It really leaves us behind the pack."

Duh Kathy, DUH! Maybe if you focused on something meaningful rather than the idiotic creationism vs evolution debate, your schools wouldn't be dead last in the nation. Good job, moron.

 

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: Zephyr106

a bit of a conspiricy theorist are we? iv'e seen no religion that is trying to censor science.

LOL how about the Creationists attempting to remove evolution from school cirriculums? Evolution is a scientific theory (fact..?) with LOTS of supporting evidence, Creationism has about as much supporting evidence as Greek Mythology. You know, lots of respected religious people of earlier times disregarded scientific facts, such as Martin Luther who died believing the world was flat.... after Christopher Columbus discovered N. America. There's still time for you to change your beliefs.

Zephyr

HAH! I cant believe that you just said that, and took yourself seriously! Here, let me quote it again!

Evolution is a scientific theory (fact..?) with LOTS of supporting evidence, Creationism has about as much supporting evidence as Greek Mythology.

Wow. Well, you got it right at first, Evolution is just a theorey. And yeah, Evolution has as much supporting evidence as Creationism does. Both have a lot of nothing on their side. Although I like to believe that mankind [as well as everything in this universe] was created, and that there are certian things that always have been and always will be.

The only supporting evidence for Creationism is a book written by a bunch of ancient supersticious Sheep Herders who were afraid of their own shadows and spent as much time buggering each other as they did ther Herd.

thats some pretty good speculation of our ancestors there RD. However, it doesnt fly.

Please, before coming into a thread of this nature and spouting off with such ignorant drivel, try to obtain and understanding of evolution that doesn't come from a church-related source. It is abundantly clear you know NOTHING about the theory of evolution.

When trying to denounce the arguments made by someone, make sure you dont say something foolish like that or attack their knowledge [or lack thereof] on the subjectmatter. I also love how youre trying to argue that my only knowledge comes from what the church has let filter through. Its too bad that I dont go to church, now isnt it? Its kinda too bad I havent been to church since I was a little child, now isnt it? Its also kinda too bad that ive argued Evolution vs Creationism with biology professors at my school, whom id be willing to wager know more about the subject than you do.

So, when you come into a thread of this nature, please dont spout your ignorant drivel about a subject for which you have no knowledge other than that which has conviently been supplied to you in a watered down manner, so that people of your nature can feebly grasp its concept without too much thought.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: Zephyr106

a bit of a conspiricy theorist are we? iv'e seen no religion that is trying to censor science.

LOL how about the Creationists attempting to remove evolution from school cirriculums? Evolution is a scientific theory (fact..?) with LOTS of supporting evidence, Creationism has about as much supporting evidence as Greek Mythology. You know, lots of respected religious people of earlier times disregarded scientific facts, such as Martin Luther who died believing the world was flat.... after Christopher Columbus discovered N. America. There's still time for you to change your beliefs.

Zephyr

HAH! I cant believe that you just said that, and took yourself seriously! Here, let me quote it again!

Evolution is a scientific theory (fact..?) with LOTS of supporting evidence, Creationism has about as much supporting evidence as Greek Mythology.

Wow. Well, you got it right at first, Evolution is just a theorey. And yeah, Evolution has as much supporting evidence as Creationism does. Both have a lot of nothing on their side. Although I like to believe that mankind [as well as everything in this universe] was created, and that there are certian things that always have been and always will be.

The only supporting evidence for Creationism is a book written by a bunch of ancient supersticious Sheep Herders who were afraid of their own shadows and spent as much time buggering each other as they did ther Herd.

thats some pretty good speculation of our ancestors there RD. However, it doesnt fly.

Please, before coming into a thread of this nature and spouting off with such ignorant drivel, try to obtain and understanding of evolution that doesn't come from a church-related source. It is abundantly clear you know NOTHING about the theory of evolution.

When trying to denounce the arguments made by someone, make sure you dont say something foolish like that or attack their knowledge [or lack thereof] on the subjectmatter. I also love how youre trying to argue that my only knowledge comes from what the church has let filter through. Its too bad that I dont go to church, now isnt it? Its kinda too bad I havent been to church since I was a little child, now isnt it? Its also kinda too bad that ive argued Evolution vs Creationism with biology professors at my school, whom id be willing to wager know more about the subject than you do.

So, when you come into a thread of this nature, please dont spout your ignorant drivel about a subject for which you have no knowledge other than that which has conviently been supplied to you in a watered down manner, so that people of your nature can feebly grasp its concept without too much thought.

See, exp, the time for learning is past. He needs to be locked up and removed from intelligent society as a threat to human reason. He carries a WMD that will cause school children to grow up brain dead.
Time for a preemptive strike on his kind.

Time for the Darwin Awards!

 

[kage69]

When trying to denounce the arguments made by someone, make sure you dont say something foolish like that or attack their knowledge [or lack thereof] on the subjectmatter. I also love how youre trying to argue that my only knowledge comes from what the church has let filter through. Its too bad that I dont go to church, now isnt it? Its kinda too bad I havent been to church since I was a little child, now isnt it? Its also kinda too bad that ive argued Evolution vs Creationism with biology professors at my school, whom id be willing to wager know more about the subject than you do.

You don't have an argument. You said, and I quote: "And yeah, Evolution has as much supporting evidence as Creationism does." That is an outright lie, at best an unaware falsehood delivered through ignorance. I can denounce outright lies however I choose. You trying to present it as a 'difference of knowledge' on the subject matter is a lame attempt to divert away from how wrong you are. I couldn't give a rat's ass who you've argued with, I'm sure the majority of those here (myself included, ardent debater in college against Southern Baptists 1995-2000, lost count of the seminars and debates really) have done likewise, although such exchanges evidently seem to have been lost upon you. Forgive me, I shouldn't have presumed you got your info from church based sources. It's just that in my experience, the overwhelming majority of those of you who have the nerve to present this utter trash as scientific and historical fact do indeed count
the religious 'pseudo-science' sources in trying to form a valid argument. I just read this thread from the beginning for the 3rd time, and I stand by my earlier statement of you being completely ignorant. Sorry.

 

[DealMonkey]

That's right Genesys, you totally suck. Just admit it.